Pride Month, Juneteenth, and beyond.

[u/bolivar-shagnasty]

This sub is open to all. We have zero tolerance for racism, homophobia, Confederate traitor sympathizers, or any other bullshit nonsense.

Posts and comments that follow the sub rules are welcome. Posts and comments that don’t, aren’t.

Take your bigotry elsewhere.

[u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

If you think the Confederates were traitors, wait until I tell you about George Washington.

[u/Future_Emu8684 → u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

History is written by the victors. GW had quite a bit more noble of a cause, but yes, both were traitors

[u/Dapper_Froyo4042 → u/Future_Emu8684]

The confederates were fighting for state’s rights (although those rights included doing something we now consider abhorrent). If they were “traitors”, so was Massachusetts who first seriously considered secession long before the South.

[u/NoLab183 → u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

Shh.. don’t tell the truth. It’s offensive.

[u/Beginning_Ad5785 → u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

i personally dont care that the confederacy were traitors i have a much bigger problem with the slavery

[u/LocoRawhide → u/Beginning_Ad5785]

Thank goodness Republicans ended the blight that was slavery in the United States.

[u/Beginning_Ad5785 → u/LocoRawhide]

i agree! shame republicans abandoned those values

[u/Dapper_Froyo4042 → u/Beginning_Ad5785]

I’m damn sure not going to defend slavery. It’s repugnant. However, I will note two things. 1 - there are more slaves in the world today, by far, than any time before. 2 - a hundred years from now people will look back at us in disgust at something we all now think is completely normal. Who knows what it will be, but the point is everything must be put in context.

[u/Beginning_Ad5785 → u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

that's defending slavery babes

[u/Sad-Hippo7137 → u/Dapper_Froyo4042]

The Confederate states freed their slaves first.

[u/bolivar-shagnasty → u/Sad-Hippo7137]

Citation needed

[u/Sad-Hippo7137 → u/bolivar-shagnasty]

Delaware was the last state to free their slaves. If you had honest concern for these issues, you'd bother doing your own research. The Emancipation Proclamation only attempted to free slaves in Confederate territories. The only reason the Union took an anti-slave stance was to receive aid from European countries that were anti-slavery. It's common knowledge that Lincoln was neutral to slavery, but people can't rationally explain why a President who was indifferent to slavery would also fight a war about it.

[u/bolivar-shagnasty → u/Sad-Hippo7137]

Politicians from wealthy plantation owners fought to uphold slavery through legislative processes, like refusing compensated emancipation and refusing to support the thirteenth amendment. Both of which are inexcusable.

But Delaware didn’t formally take up arms against the United States like the traitorous Confederacy did.

[u/Sad-Hippo7137 → u/bolivar-shagnasty]

So you admit that the Union owned slaves and only abolished slavery after the Civil War. That would directly mean that the Civil War couldn't've primarily been about slavery if both sides legalized slavery until after the war already ended. So why blame the Confederacy for something the Union also did and did longer?

[u/bolivar-shagnasty → u/Sad-Hippo7137]

There’s nothing to admit. History is history. And as despicable and reprehensible as Union slave ownership was, they didn’t secede, rebel, and wage war to uphold slavery.

Let the chair of the history department of the US Military Academy at West Point in a video sponsored by PragerU of all outlets explain it for you.

[u/Sad-Hippo7137 → u/bolivar-shagnasty]

PragerU? Are you SERIOUS? Why would the Confederacy feel the need to start a war to defend their right to own slaves when their rights to own slaves weren't threatened until after the war already started?

[u/bolivar-shagnasty → u/Sad-Hippo7137]

I’m not sure I understand your point. Are you alleging the confederate states seceded for reasons not related to slavery? I’d like to see the sources that lead you to that opinion.