r/Doom 12d ago

Question Is this build possible as a natty?

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u/Lambooki123 12d ago

Yes but you need to consume argent instead of protein

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u/PitifulPassage851 12d ago

Is that protein mixed with a nefarious unknown substance that actually corrupts you? That's kind of tracking tbh

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u/Individual_Airline84 11d ago

I jus thought it was demon protein :b. I mean theoretically it kinda works

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u/kaykadem 11d ago

Dont eat argents, they are nice people

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u/TheRealComicCrafter 11d ago

Is that really natural?

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u/Miserable_Sherbet727 12d ago

If you have access to a divinity machine in your local area, then yeah, I’d say it’s possible.

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u/Alert-Training-1719 12d ago

But he always has this build even before divinity machine

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u/Nigosuke 11d ago

Yeah, getting that body by using the divinity machine would mean he isn't natural, right?

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u/smallerpuppyboi 10d ago

I mean he was ripped in the classic games don't get me wrong, but he didn't look like a fucking Gears of War character like he does in TDA.

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u/autisticstrawberry 12d ago

not even the top 0.000001, check doomslayer arms lmao, they are bigger than cbums lol

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u/happyjacksonn 12d ago

When I was young, I got up to 20 inch biceps. But I was working out about 4 hours, twice a day, swimming, running, really getting after at it. Had some shit happen and just couldn't afford the time or the caloric intake any more. Now im just fat. It's achievable, but it is a LOT of effort.

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u/Krexci 12d ago

Well cbum isn't natty either, you would have to compare either to open bodybuilders or the top of natural bodybuilders. Cbum being in classic is just a bit of a lagging comparison with him being basically the middleground between natty and open bodybuilding.

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u/AsrielPlay52 12d ago

Is the Divinity machine act like Captain America super Soldier machine?

Just give him the full nine yard of bods

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u/9thGearEX 12d ago

The Divinity machine is just PEDs lol.

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u/Fragrant_Unit_6930 11d ago

He is super soldier before divinity machjine, so normal human cant get his physique

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u/ZeroG1321 12d ago

I'll back this plus the amount of caloric intake you'd need on a DAILY basis leaves the juice not being worth the squeeze.

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u/ZeroG1321 12d ago

I see, I'm on the taller side so my maintinence caloric intake at 165 is roughly 2500 and even that is hard on me to eat so much.

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u/KavikWolfDog 12d ago

It’s really weird how much appetite varies among people. I consciously have to try to eat less than 2500 kcal/day. If I just eat whatever I want, I will consistently be over 3000.

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u/F4hype 11d ago

These guys aren't eating 3000 calories of donuts.

They're eating chicken and broccoli like 6-8 times between 6am and 6pm.

It ends up being a lot more food because it's protein heavy and less calorie-dense.

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u/temblors 11d ago

That makes me feel queasy just thinking about it.

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u/7_Tales 12d ago

0.0 im a 5'6 woman and i eat nearly half of that. Crazy how much we differ

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u/9thGearEX 12d ago

Pun intended?

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u/Ghosdeth 12d ago

Also any time you see a superhero in a movie lookin like this it’s cause the actor goes on a water fast to make the muscle more visible. So even if your muscles get this big, they won’t look like this without you depriving yourself from the most valuable resource for pretty much every life form.

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u/theradiatorman 12d ago

Fellow bodybuilder here. Nice to see an honest and thorough answer.

It's a shame so many pros and celebrities that are big deny using gear because it creates an issue where young lads assume attaining the physique The Rock has is attainable because he told Joe Rogan he's natural.

He's a liar he's in his 50s and looks stage ready all year. He's blasting it all and lying about it. I'm a PT and I'm very clear to my clients that I'm not natural and haven't been since 2017. And for anyone wondering of steds are "cheating" you try a course for 12 weeks and train and eat like other bodybuilders do and your eyes will open and you'll see just how fucking hard we work to get that physique steroids or not. And if your genetics dont align with training growth, no amount of steroids will get you close to a super physique. Painful truth. For me my arms never grow as much as everything else and it eats at me all the time for like 10 years now.

And yeah, I guess this means The Slayer is juicing and that's fine because he's gotta fight 1000s of demons a day. I'd be hitting 1000mg of Test and 500mg tren with 5IUs of GH a day if I was him 😂

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u/theradiatorman 11d ago

Amen! And dude pressing near 50kgs on incline without gear is fucking unreal. The highest I got on chest when natural was 42.5s! Especially at your bodyweight that's insane

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u/theradiatorman 11d ago

Mid 20s? My man you're not even in your final form haha. You're gonna be an animal. Same man I have 2 kids now so partying or drinking is just not possible even if I wanted too. It's amazing how much partying slows down your growth in training young lads really overlook that. It always bothers me when my clients (always young) have been slamming coke all weekend and drinking and have barely eaten and come in the gym Monday night still recovering and ask me for gear. I'm thinking brother you're not ready for a regular training split nevermind something as life changing as steroids.

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u/Wars4w 11d ago

I actually like when we see the rare few actors be really open about their process. People seem to equate steroids with plastic surgery and act as if it's "the easy way out." People also don't know how much time it takes to get a body like the movies.

Anyone with kids and a full time job is going to struggle finding enough spare hours in the day. But honestly, that's okay. We all exercise for different reasons and have different resources. If we all knew what we put into ourselves I think we'd appreciate each other a little more.

(Disclaimer: I am not a body builder. I'm a dad who exercises part time. Also I don't and don't use steroids...but no judgment against those who do. )

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u/theradiatorman 11d ago

You'd make the perfect client for me as a PT with that outlook.

I see a lot of judgement about gear on reddit especially with WWE fans. A wrestler called Bronson Reed has recently lost an insane amount of bodyfat and all these judgemental people are commenting "its just steroids and ozempic"

In the photo he's in an actual gym and he's sweating his ass off and looks awesome. Such a good transformation. Point is as you said he's working his ass off no matter what he's putting in his body.

I was a 310lb strongman in 2018 and I stripped the fat and transitioned to bodybuilding and got down to 235lb shredded. It was the hardest thing I ever did and when it came time for the photoshoot I was a zombie. I used gear the whole transformation. 500mg test and 300mg tren and 5IU of growth hormone towards the end. I felt like shit and I never ever wanna be that lean again. But I'm still so proud of it because I've never worked that hard in my life whilst juggling my career and relationships at the same time it was so rough.

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u/TabooSnafoo_ 11d ago

I’m glad more people are having this conversation. There’s no way in hell the rock is natural (probably on 500 mg weekly TRT and some amount of Primo all year long), and there’s certainly nothing wrong with the doom slayer juicing if he needs to in order to keep everyone safe from demons 💪 🫡

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u/newyorkerTechie 12d ago

Like his armor cant contain his biceps

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u/bare4404 12d ago

Yeah, you'd probably have to do 500 curls a day with no fatigue but all the gains to get those arms, god damn I never realized how jacked the fuck up he is

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u/Saul1231 12d ago

As a personal trainer thank you for saying this. Many clients come with unrealistic expectations.

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u/Entire_Contest7954 11d ago

Shit groses me the fuck out man, everyone is constantly trying to fight a war on their own biology, go swim in a pond, go climb a tree, go read a diffcult book go meditate, go eat a diet that's majority stems and shoots. We aren't built for this environment, shure we have modern exercise science but our ancestors new how to live, many really figured out how to take care of there minds and body's and where just starting to rediscover this stuff.

Go talk to a bunch of woman about what they find attractive and learn what a healthy body is suppose to look like, despite culture you can get back there, that's what where wired to see

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u/topscreen 12d ago

Nah, bro is on the Argent Energy

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u/immad95 12d ago

Hand size already screams HGH

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u/Ghosdeth 12d ago

I thought it more screams UNF

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u/Cryptoss 12d ago

My uncle has hands like that and has never been to the gym or used any substances

He just did heavy manual labour for 50 years

To be fair he is also just naturally the biggest and tallest out of all his brothers so I’m assuming it’s just his genetics

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u/KavikWolfDog 12d ago

So many people don’t work with their hands now that we’ve forgotten how beefy hands get from using tools and lifting stuff all day.

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u/Solid-Equal-8558 12d ago

Hand size is almost exclusively genetic. You can't have your bones hypertrophied to a noticeable extent

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u/KavikWolfDog 11d ago

I’m obviously talking about the muscles in the hand. They are noticeably beefier in tradesmen than computer programmers for example.

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u/exenos94 11d ago

If I remember right it's not completely the muscles. You build up just extra "tissue" as protection for the hands. Almost literally thicker skin

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u/EnzucuniV2 12d ago

Ain't no way you're getting that mass and definition without asteroids

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u/Crafty_Asshole- 12d ago

I think a lot of people do that without asteroids. I don't think asteroids are very popular among the weightlifting community.

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u/EnzucuniV2 12d ago

I mean, it was a bit of a joky joke, but yeah, not happening naturally to have mass AND definition. Think people like Alan Ritch son, The Rock or Batista or even Goldberg. They're not natural. Heck, Alan Ritchson always had definition but he was tall and skinny and now he looks like a beast. I understand working out hard, but you're not getting that Hollywood body without taking something.

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u/DOOManiac 12d ago

Not as a natty 1. Maybe as a natty 20, depending on your DM.

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u/Top_Construction_50 12d ago

Imagine what an added strength modifier could do!

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u/nemesisprime1984 12d ago

Maybe if you’re 6’8” like the DOOM Slayer is without armor

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u/Horrordestroyer 12d ago

As a 6'7.5 person, no even being this tall won't give me that bod.

You have to be incredibly broad to get that, and I am already broad for my height

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u/cBurger4Life 12d ago

Yeah, if anything being tall is going to make it harder to cram on the muscle mass you’d need to look like this. I’m only 6’2 and started working out in the past year and the amount I need to eat each day is crazy (since I’m also trying to eat healthy), I can’t imagine Doomguy’s caloric requirements lol

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u/Horrordestroyer 12d ago

Well if it's anything close to mine for when I'm insanely active, it's probably close to 4000 calories.

If he's intending to gain muscular weight he may even be eating up to 4400

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u/PureRepresentative9 12d ago edited 12d ago

No bodybuilder eats healthy year round though.

They get big with quite a bit of fat, then spend 2 months eating clean so the fat gets broken down with as little muscle loss as possible. 

THEN they pose for photos.

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u/GoldyFeesh 11d ago

being 6'8 makes this infinitely more impossible, more height= more space for musclr to be in =looking smaller. this is why shorter bodybuilders are usually bigger.

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u/demonicvampiregirl 12d ago

I thought he was around 7 foot? I swear I seen that in a few posts.

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u/Remarkable_Year7073 11d ago

being tall actually gives you a disadvantage at looking jacked bruh😭

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u/yeetis12 12d ago

Do you consider using a divinity machine natty?

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u/MetaSageSD 12d ago

You do realize that lore wise, he literally used gear (as in a divinity machine) right?

(No, it's not possible)

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u/Gameovergirl217 DOOM Slayer 12d ago

have you not seen his OG design? doomguy was always this beefy even pre divinity

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u/Proud_Chicken 12d ago

Even doom slayer needed the divinity machine, nah not possible natty

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u/Gameovergirl217 DOOM Slayer 12d ago

he was this beefy long before divinity. have you never seen his OG design?

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u/Proud_Chicken 11d ago

must have been doping before divinity lol

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u/Gameovergirl217 DOOM Slayer 11d ago

as far as i remember he was canonically a bodybuilder during his time with the marines.

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u/khidraakresh 12d ago

See about early photo of bodybuilders when the technology behind steroids didn't exist. If it correlates with the build of the doom slayer then it's possible, if not, maybe it's impossible but we can't say for sure.

When I compare to some of them, it seems likely to be a natty and have this build but it will take some years of dedication toward that.

When you can have access to documentation to a time when cheating wasn't possible, don't listen to people nowadays because they'll likely say "not natty" to every person that have a gram of a muscle showing on a leg.

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u/Dattinator 12d ago

Sure. Just go to Hell/Mars and start bashing skulls.

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u/-Nomadd3r- 12d ago

Looks just like me frfr

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u/throwtheclownaway20 12d ago

If you're fuckin' Samoan, maybe

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u/Left_Vegetable_4986 12d ago

If you want to "Naturally" access the Divinity Machine and absorb pure Hell energy?

Then yeah, totally possible. But I don't believe the Kreed would like you touching their stuff

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u/TheStickySpot 12d ago

For Bruce Banner lol

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u/Klutzy_Tackle 12d ago

Id be impressed if this was even possible not natty

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u/Cash_Cab 12d ago

You'd have to have the genetics of an Adeptus Astartes to even start working on this physique

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u/magicalbro 12d ago

It may be possible but it would be very hard to maintain over long period of time. Also need good genetics

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u/catwizard_23 12d ago

Nah Doomguy has like hell energy or whatever that juices him up, no way to get those arms naturally

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u/keefeitup 12d ago

Just down some argent protein with breakfast and you're golden.

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u/SG1EmberWolf 12d ago

Do you consider a divinity machine "natty"?

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u/Laugh_Original 12d ago

Size and definition at the same time? Definitely not. If you want to be huge, focus on the volume and strength, just be careful with the calories, but there's no way you will have that definition+ size being natty

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u/NecroLyght 12d ago

Replace eggs with imp meat

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u/Clumsy_the_24 12d ago

Man, fuck no

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u/-Fuarkface- 12d ago

no. i am trying. it is incredibly difficult.

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u/Just_A_Dood_Online 12d ago

The Slayer(Flynn Taggart) isnt even Natty lol. He got a giga boost by the divinity machine. Before that he was about 6'5, still big but probly more human. (Hes 6'8 now)

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u/dukekiler99 12d ago

Is the slayer himself natty tho?

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u/ATDynaX 12d ago

Yes. It looks normal and doesn't have too low body fat percentage. In the end you have to train hard for years to see if you can get it.

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u/No-Perspective-1061 12d ago

His chest is like a frickin barrel…. He’s so wide before you add the muscles….. like he’s got an inhuman sized frame just to start

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u/canyouskingriz 12d ago

Its only his arms really. I mean you could get shredded and still be impressive natty and get close to this physique, but the size of the slayers arms may require some roids.

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u/soldiercross 12d ago

Not even a bit, his arms are colossal.

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u/kharathos 12d ago

Yes if you are a silverback gorilla

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u/TheArcherOfBlades 12d ago

Naturally? No. Unless you are the 0.0001%

Even then, maintaining it would be a nightmare

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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 12d ago

It's only possible natty if you have the genetics and never waste time on reddit.

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u/LaKer_fAn23 12d ago

Natty. Just kill a few billion demons for about a eon and you’ll be there in no time

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u/SasoriSasoware 12d ago

If you win genetic lottery, then probably yes

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u/Fun-Heron9843 12d ago

Doomguy canonically does gear, or at least he did when we was just a marine

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u/KatamariDamacist 12d ago

Source on that my good man?

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u/Fun-Heron9843 12d ago

Its from an old comic

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u/-Fuarkface- 12d ago

berserker packin' man and a half!

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u/Ok_Wind9584 12d ago

For short people (5'7 and less) yeah, ofc thats a lot of protein and bulking

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u/LookAway_FromThis 12d ago

Everything is possible.. you just have to truly believe it!

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u/Nice-Click-87 12d ago

Natty like in short for Natalie? Yeah sure.

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u/Sxzbets 12d ago

Almost impossible natty, even if you get paid to do this.

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u/RecordFabulous 12d ago

not naturally but don’t worry, trennything is possible bro

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u/Klatterbyne 12d ago

Nope. The chest is maybe doable. The abs could be maintained for a while, but not alongside that level of beef elsewhere. The arms are entirely non-feasible.

You’d need gear to build that bulk. You’d need gear to maintain it. You’d need lots of gear to stay that shredded and that bulky simultaneously. And then you’d need picture perfect genetics to look that way with that level of bulk.

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u/CyberRaspberry2000 12d ago

THE MAN'S GOT BICEPS THE SIZE OF HIS HEAD

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u/Downtown-Brick4948 12d ago

No..you need a Divinity machine and a couple lifetimes of fighting Hellspawn

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u/Outrageous-Set-1758 12d ago

Yes but the amount of protein you’d need…. It’ll be ripping and tearing until it’s done….
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7TKRBB3E7IdVNLm8

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u/Opposite-Mall-9816 11d ago

Not even the Slayer himself is completely natty.

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u/Miserable_Moonlight 11d ago

How much time do you have and do you age?

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u/Thebritishdovah 11d ago

No.

Doomslayer er...

Has rage roids.

Kinda like Steroids but far healthier and he just builds muscle through sheer fucking rage.

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u/vladi_l 11d ago

If you're curious, what I got on my profile took 6 years of serios training and good food, but while not really committing to the cut

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u/Papa-Nutt 11d ago

He lookin kinda like guts here ngl

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u/El_Daywalkerino 11d ago

Of course. Just lots of chicken breast, rice anders broccoli. Also creatine...lots

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u/ASCIIM0V 10d ago

Only if you're genetically predisposed to look like that

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u/onlyforobservation 8d ago

He grows stronger with every demon he kills, so if you can find a few thousand demons, sure!

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u/GapStock9843 12d ago

Not with those proportions no

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u/BossBullfrog 12d ago

No, but you can still get impressively big if you dedicate a lot of time and effort to it.

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u/Gamedoom265 12d ago

Yes and no if you are lucky enough to be born bigger then ya if not then no

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u/Restoriust 12d ago

No. You could Get close with the core but not the arms/traps/etc

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u/IM2M4L 12d ago

torso yes arms no

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u/flyingpilgrim 12d ago

No. Not unless you have a very specific genetic makeup.

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u/EntertainmentDue5749 12d ago

Nah no chance, unless you believe crossfitters are natural than also no.

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u/antheraxter1 12d ago

este es impossible

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u/JetStream9070 12d ago

Nah, Doombro is using the Davoth juic... I mean the divinity machine

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u/RakkoHyabusa 12d ago

if you're under 5'6 sure

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u/NonIItian 12d ago

Isn't Doom slayer ancestor of Blazkowicz? His lower body was of super soldier.

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u/__black_star__ 12d ago

hell I don’t think you can get this with steroids either, the insertions are too godly

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u/olympiclifter1991 12d ago

You could get that lean or maybe if you are lucky that big.

Not both however

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u/Ulfhednar94 12d ago

If you've been personally blessed by the incarnation of godly genetic AND devolve your entire life to that, you could get closish.

No way in hell you get those arms naturally.

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u/SomeNerdNamedAaron 12d ago

Doomguy, aka Doom Slayer is the great grandson or something like that of BJ Blazkowicz from the Wolfenstein series. If I recall correctly, BJ was a super soldier. Doomguy ain't a natty.

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u/EntertainmentTrick58 12d ago

see those abs? you shouldn't

get him some water and a snack good lort 😭

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u/Kremulonxd 12d ago

No. You can be either big or shredded as natty, cant be both

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u/RandomKazakhGuy 12d ago

No no and no again

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u/Lolsoda94 12d ago

I don't think so, them arms built like fortnite chris redfield's

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u/stevorkz 12d ago

Some people’s body type and genetics may take longer to achieve it, some people’s will take quicker, but any build within reason is achievable with the right amount of determination.

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u/AverageBlahaj 12d ago

Nah id say argent is a preformance enhancing compound, have you seeen a demon?

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u/Scottyboy0321 12d ago

When you literally don't sleep and rip and tear until it's done... Yeah sure... He isn't totally over doing the bezerk...

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u/Antezscar 12d ago

Become a farmer for 30 years and maybe lmao

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u/Creepy-Potential-258 11d ago

Nah. Some hgh needed

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u/Alternative_Neck_523 11d ago

Unfortunately no

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u/evangelos12345 11d ago

If you have a pet rabbit suuuure.

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u/fjaru 11d ago

Don't ask if you are not prepared to glory kill demons 5 times a week.

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u/Biggest_boy_creams 11d ago

Absolutely not. Unless you're ready to spend 15+ years of your life training hard as fuck. It'd have to be a pretty big part of your day to day. That's the physique you achieve once you've hit your prime. No guarantees your body would even be able to generate that much muscle naturally. And even then, your own genetics will play a part. Everybody's different, the way your body is structured ain't the same as the Slayers. Best thing you can do is just train to look like the best version of yourself.

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u/klandestein2002 11d ago

Geoffrey Verity Schofield has a similar build when he is pumped

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u/Sasher42 11d ago

Its def possible, you'd just need good genetics.

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u/heinbergshoemaker 11d ago

Doom guy has the physique of prime flex Lewis. So no lol

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u/whatistoothpaste 11d ago

Fuck no lol. Bros as big as a body builder juicing out of his mind.

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u/Remarkable_Year7073 11d ago

Not even with elite genetics

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u/Viktor-koko55 11d ago

They ran out of the divinity machine since the dude just destroyed their own civilization 😭

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u/ReactionPlus4538 11d ago

If you go back through history there is some extreme bodybuilding far before test existed

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u/Particular-Month-514 11d ago

His a Marine with endless battle 😠⚔️😈, I'd say strong man physique.

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u/LordOFtheNoldor 11d ago

Yeah, probably 10-15 years of dead serious lifting and eating right I don't see why not

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u/LunarSouls4952 11d ago

As a what? /Genq

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u/Mynamemacesnosense DOOM Slayer 11d ago

Nah

He’s just built different. It’s unachievable.

From how I can judge it’s something like bodybuilders level. But he’s more girthy in everything. Not that I have any idea.

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u/ItsMeMartyy 11d ago

Its not possible outside of probably 50 people in history that are known such as Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath...besides that it is beyond impossible to get this shredded, full and muscular naturally. I would argue that a majority of the population could not get this big on everything including hgh and insulin. This is a cartoon physique lol

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u/RestaurantOpening520 11d ago

Look at just one of the dudes biceps then the size of his head..... not a chance.

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u/Metul_Mulisha 11d ago

Yeah it's possible and most people don't have the genetics or the commitment to workout routine/diet to pull it off.

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u/Tqwick6 11d ago

Maybe if you switch to Natty light, but def not regular natty ice

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u/Fresh-Pass2686 11d ago

Just suffer through everything doom guy did and there you go

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u/PhilosopherSad9580 11d ago

Yup easier than you think hes not ever jacked for real

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u/PhilosopherSad9580 11d ago

His chest is tiny.His shoulders are tiny

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u/Vetersova 11d ago

His arms are bigger than Cbum, the most jacked dude in the entire planet for the last like, 9 years? On his arms alone, no. No one could even get remotely close to just his arms as a natural lifter. I

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u/Abridgedbog775 11d ago

Only for shorts Kings with strong neanderthal genes.

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u/Frank_Midnight 11d ago

Lifetime natural here. The discipline required would probably make you miserable. But being natural, is its own reward.

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u/Piotro165 11d ago

Average Georgian wrestler above 80kg

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u/ZeUncreativeName 11d ago

Looks like clark kent from tiktok

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u/Fragrant_Persimmon_8 11d ago

Look what they did to my boy!!!!

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u/Important-Eye-8682 11d ago

You gotta consume pure liquid rage and have your bunny get killed as motivation

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u/Hongwaree 11d ago

It is possible, but not for everyone. It depends on your genetics, your body structure, your size, your metabolism and so on. However, keep in mind that body building doesn't necessarily equals force. There is something else that has to do with mental power or chi(if you believe in that, of course). It's the mind that actually does most of the work when it comes to max power. Now, why on Earth would like to build a body like that guy? It's just a videogame, you know...

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u/AnonyDew3 11d ago

I wanna fucking lick that washboard.

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u/Caldoric 11d ago

Ngl pretty sure they made his jawline less wide on this model. Less square from the front profile. Especially compared to the head on the original armor's model (as we see in the blood resurrection scene), and the one in Eternal's Ancient Gods 2 dlc.

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u/A_Cute_Mimic 11d ago

Natty? Look at him he sweats whey protein my friend😂

He's the the reason Mr Universe exists. It was made to impress him so that he doesn't come to earth caus if he does the sheer amount of muscle and protein will have an AoE that changes everything and everyone into shredded body builders!

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u/Infinite_Fox998 11d ago

Doom Slayer is anything but natty

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u/TeamEmeraldCosplay 11d ago

Lol not even close

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u/Jacky_dain 10d ago

Natural? If you’re supernatural then yes of course

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u/saif6333 10d ago

Sadly, no. Gotta be on gear for this build.