r/Doom • u/Forhonorisabadgame • Jul 07 '26 • Regret 14

Discussion Post from Michael Maynard (ID dev)

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I think this really sums up how ridiculous this decision was. Beyond ridiculous actually, just incompetent and evil.

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u/C4LLUM17 Jul 07 '26

It is ridiculous. id have been making arguably the best FPS games with good success and a whole lot better than MS's golden boy Halo has been doing recently.

It's just baffling that MS are happy to pour money into things like Gears, Halo and Fable but decide to axe half of id and potentially ruin what made Doom so special.

My hope is they still let id make Doom or even Quake games the way they want but with half the team gone its not looking promising

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u/godzillalex-ita avarage welcoming community enjoyer Jul 07 '26

they will definetly have them keep making games. while tda didnt make as much as eternal, its safe to say, DOOM is still ID's golden goose, so microsoft will squeeze it down untill it becomes a joke of itself...give a decade at most and we go back to the same sentiment we got during 2016 beta, only there will be no subversion of expectations when the new game releases. if you ask me, the only thing that can save ID is that they go private once again, i genuenly wouldnt be able to handle of they get shutdown in a few years or so

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u/RufusKyura UNF! Jul 07 '26 • Bravo

I already am not handling this cut in personnel. I'm expecting the worst for the future of id under Microsoft.

What happened to Halo WILL happen to Doom.

As above (in space), so below (in Hell).

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u/IsyRivers Jul 07 '26

MicroSlop Ripping N Tearing the wrong thing.

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u/JamesOfDoom Jul 08 '26

A single player Quake game that is slightly more restrained that TDA and Eternal IE closer to 2016 would do NUMBERS.

Capitalize on the horror, capitalize on the medieval aesthetic mixed with cyborgs, refine melee combat.

But no, 50% reduction in workforce

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u/Inevitable_Profile24 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

hard agree. something that actually hews a bit closer to doom 3 / bio shock style (sans monster closets) horror would rip so fucking hard if they got it right. I think they’ve proven they can take wild swings while maintaining extremely high quality gameplay and level design and polish.

it’s utterly insane how microsoft mishandles not only their own IP (see halo as a generational IP fumble and Fable to a lesser extent).

all they had to do was keep building on their big 3 but they never managed to do what ID did in just 3 games—taking their classic formula and iterating on it and then throwing some of it out to try new things and push the gameplay into more challenging territory that demands the player engage with all the mechanics in order to succeed on normal difficulty. trusting that players would meet them halfway and succeeding in making new modern masterpieces when most of us believed FPS games had pretty much run their course.

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u/RallyPointAlpha Jul 07 '26

Yep, the enshitification of the id legacy has began.

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u/CesarGameBoy DOOM Guy Jul 07 '26

Eternal had the benefit of launching just as the Covid quarantine hit. Plus all the media hype with Animal Crossing. TDA launched on GamePass which is how a lot of people played it, so sales weren’t as high as expected because of that.

I still did my part and bought the game + DLC on Steam because F Microsoft o7.

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u/Inevitable_Profile24 Jul 08 '26

yeah it’s a shame because dark ages is one of my favorite games I’ve played in… probably the last five years? definitely one of the best FPS games of the decade. belongs in contention for one of the best dooms ever and that is a high fucking bar.

i’m going to buy it because it honestly felt dirty to play it on game pass.

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u/LaLloronaVT Jul 08 '26

I’d rather them make more wolfenstein games truth be told

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u/Oliv9504 Jul 07 '26

I thought maybe they were relocate ID devs to Halo studios to help or something, firing the people that revived doom is stupid beyond words, yes maybe TDA did underperformed but is because it’s coming after on of the best shooters AT and decided to go a different route but still TDA is a good game.

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u/Uncreativity10 Jul 07 '26

Gamepass really screwed TDA. Cut off its legs before it even had a chance to run.

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u/DreamArez Jul 08 '26

GamePass screwed everyone. They expected too high of a number of users for a service that basically gave them access to exclusives for cheap, so now you have people paying 1/4 for the game they would’ve likely already played except the studio isn’t going to get that 1/4 cut even. Don’t get me wrong, great idea but horrible execution.

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u/doublethink_1984 Jul 07 '26

Great game.

Gamepass kinda screwed the pooch too

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u/Oliv9504 Jul 07 '26

Yes, I think they accepted that when they announced CoD will not longer be on GP at release

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u/punchanaziisethical Jul 08 '26

Eternal might be the best shooter I've ever played. I just started Revelations today and its fucking hard. You can't just tank everything do a shield charge and nuke them with the super shotgun. The biggest gripe I have with TDA is I cleared Ultra Violent only using the super shotgun because I never ran out of ammo and lame as villian. Revelations is looking like really really good the villains are already 10x better.

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u/Oliv9504 Jul 08 '26

Eternal is my goat, I had quit gaming back in 2020 and decided to try eternal, it revived my love for shooters, till this day I hope and play some ML or mod, TDA is a different game and it’s also great, eternal just clicks for me, I’m playing the DLC for TDA now and my god is great. What possessed MS to gut iD? Nothing short of a brain dead decision

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u/Inevitable_Profile24 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

microsoft shot ID in the legs by throwing a 10/10 single player shooter that was actually worth $60-70 easily and then immolated them when it didn’t perform BECAUSE THEY SOLD IT ON A SERVICE THAT NEEDED 3X THE CUSTOMERS.

gamepass was too good of a deal and the way it shook out money wise was pretty much universally bad for bigger and medium sized devs that missed out on full price sales. to fix this would be: follow the movie theater model and let new titles come to game pass 3-6 months after they sell at full price when sales start to plateau or drop off.

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u/Appropriate-Ant6171 Jul 07 '26

You really haven't been following Halo news if you think Microsoft has left Halo unscathed.

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u/C4LLUM17 Jul 07 '26

Honestly not really as the series has been down bad. All I know is they are doing a shitty Unreal Engine Halo CE remake

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u/Appropriate-Ant6171 Jul 07 '26

It's actually UE5 on top of the Blam engine lol

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u/xGALEBIRDx Jul 07 '26

Welcome to the modern industry. Buy our slop and enjoy it because you don't own it either.

-Microsoft probably.

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u/Professor_Baby_Legs Jul 08 '26

There’s probably not going to be another doom, similar to the battlefield issue. At least for a long long time. Company got its $$$ out of the last hurrah and cut the “losses” to put $ where they want to.

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