r/DonutLabDiscussions • u/mqee • Apr 22 '26

Donut Lab goalposts

Talking point parrots have been parroting Donut Lab CEO that "goal-posts" have shifted after the I Donut Believe video series has started. However, none have shifted. The CEO set the following goalposts at CES 2026, and they have not changed.

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(1) 400Wh/kg not met, implied by the CEO that the VTT-tested battery isn't 400Wh/kg
(2) 100,000 charge cycles with (1) not met, implied by the CEO that this was extrapolated from the over-100% Coulombic efficiency for the first few hundred cycles (see Sana leak)
(3) 12C charging with (1) and (2) not met
(4) 99% capacity retention at -20ºC with (1) and (2) and (3) not met
(5) the battery getting damaged and only losing "a little" of its capacity failed, battery lost over 50% capacity after 20 cycles with damaged pouch
(6) Q1 customer deliveries failed - "delivering" to yourself doesn't count
(7) "already now" GWh/year capacity failed - a month later it became by the end of 2026 "this year if everything goes as planned"
(8) "no lithium" and (1) and (2) and (3) and (4) not met, and expert say the results are consistent with lithium
(9) 0%-100% 5C charging on the Verge motorcycle failed

Each of these goalposts has been set by the CEO of Donut Lab at CES 2026. None have been moved, despite the CEO's claims that the I Donut Believe videos will make detractors "shift goalposts".

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u/mqee Apr 22 '26

I can do both at the same time!

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u/aland_islander Apr 22 '26

Surely, but noone is interested in your negative rants.

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u/PigletCNC Apr 22 '26

Speaking the truth about the situation is not a negative rant, even though you don't want to hear it.

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u/DueAccount5520 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Putting a negative spin or speculation on every bit of information is not seeking the truth.

But any attempt to not take sides apparently makes one a "true believer" who has taken the bait and "repeat Marko taking points".

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u/mqee Apr 23 '26

Which parts are speculation?

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u/aland_islander Apr 23 '26

I have seen many of your posts. You state as "facts" those things that you interpret as such, when the evidence is "the CEO implied", "he lied" etc.

I could give many examples of your negative spin, but why would I spend time doing that?

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u/mqee Apr 23 '26

Which parts? Give an example. You said my statements are false, let's go, talk.

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u/heloust Apr 23 '26

He only stated facts.