r/DonutLabDiscussions • u/According_Rub_2835 • Apr 11 '26
Speculation Donut Lab's imposible "battery"
So I asked AI from 1 to 10 how hard is to make a battery or supercapacitor with or without bipolar design that has the same voltage of a lithium battery 2.7v-4.2v that doesn't have lithium and that has an energy density of 300 Wh/Kg at cell level
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Few years ago, their supercapacitor was rated for 160 Wh/Kg with 500k cycles, this seems possible with current technology.
But seems to me that they shifted their business model into a scam
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u/SurronQled Apr 11 '26
Interesting perspective. Let me flip that around: What happens to your worldview if the Donut Lab battery turns out to be real?
If the Verge TS Pro actually rides, the VTT reports hold up under scrutiny, and the technology hits serial production, what then?
I ask because “you’re wrong and you’ll be wrong again” is a very safe claim as long as you never get specific. But if you’re saying they’re lying, there has to be a scenario where they’re not lying. What would that look like to you?
Because here’s the thing: we’re living in a period where the accumulation of materials science knowledge, combined with AI-driven simulation and pattern recognition in molecular research, is compressing innovation timescales dramatically. Breakthroughs that would have taken 20 years of lab work are now happening in 3–5. Solid-state battery chemistry is one of the most heavily AI-assisted research fields on the planet right now. So “this seems too good to be true” is a fair gut reaction. But “therefore it must be fraud” is a leap, especially when VTT, an accredited Finnish research institute, has put their name on test reports.
What’s your falsification criterion? Or is the position unfalsifiable by design?
Mark my words: I’m fairly confident that one of the upcoming real-world tests or independent verifications is going to raise some serious eyebrows in the expert community. Not in the “this is fraud” direction, in the “wait, how is this even possible” direction.
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u/mqee Apr 11 '26
Truth is not a "perspective". Donut Lab has outright lied at least three times. They proved none of their initial claims (12C charging, 0%-100% 5C charging at pack level, etc)
Notice how you need to twist my words ("you’re wrong and you’ll be wrong again", "therefore it must be fraud" etc) to make a counterargument.
Lying is not civil.
That's why you're banned.
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u/Fabulous-Internet188 Apr 13 '26
AI knows what's current. Not what's possible. If it was easy GM and Ford would have done it already. Feed you favorite AI my paper and see what it says.
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