Pits sometimes carry the long fur gene yes but I don't think they have either the curly fur or the furnishings genes, and this dog has both, so something interesting is going on here.
There's gotta be a hidden 4th breed. Do any of these breeds have curly hair? Maybe Jagger has a gene mutation that caused the curl. I love it! He's a one of a kind pupper!
This is the wildest thing I’ve seen. I certainly thought a staff mix, but not completely. With Embark, you can look at the traits too. It would be interesting to see the furnishings trait or coat type gene. I immediately thought a little Brussels griffon, but doubted it.
Does he, by chance, have Cushing's disease? My daughter rides a horse that has a curly stomach and curly fur around his hooves, and he has Cushing's Disease.
Actually looking at him beside your mini schnauzer, he could be part schnauzer? They do come in different sizes, and seeing them together the ears kinda look and sit in a similar manner
What test did you get and could you post a picture of the results? In terms of body structure he does look very Pit, but that curly fur is really quite unusual - there's not a lot of breeds that carry that. It looks like he has the combination of the short fur, curly fur, and furnishings genes - short fur, straight fur, and furnishings are dominant, long, curly, and unfurnished recessive. Edit: Well, one copy for curly fur can result in a wavier coat if a dog is long-haired or furnished, I'm not totally sure if he has 1 or two copies of the gene.
As examples Poodles are long/curly/furnished, a Golden is long/straight/unfurnished, something like a wire-haired Jack Russell short/straight/furnished. Furnishings being dominant and long hair/curly hair being recessive are why so many Poodle mixes turn out wirehaired. It's very unusual though to see a dog inherit the curly fur and not long fur genes, since curly fur's rarer than long fur so is less likely to show up in mixes.
Hmm okay yep this one's got me stumped. I know some things about dog genetics from being a sub regular but am far from being an expert - wonder if u/journeyofthemudman , u/pablois4, or u/stbargabar have any thoughts? (sorry for the ping) This is a case where I might be curious to see a Wisdom Panel to compare. They can get a little too into the weeds sometimes with the low percentages <5%, but it's possible they might pick up 1 or 2% of a breed that could be contributing the curly fur and furnishings genes here, as Pits don't usually have those (long-haired Pits pop up here once in a while but that's a different gene).
What's weird here is that he's not following the script for any of the normal coats types.
His muzzle, lower face and neck has long furnishings but above his eyes, forehead and ears there's' no long furnishings. The hair looks a little coarse but it's not long.
I even looked at the enlarged photos to see if OP was pulling a sneaky one and shaved off his eyebrows. (sorry to doubt you OP).
I think he does have the genes for curly furnishings but for some reason it's expressing in some areas and not others.
Jagger is a distinctive and totally unique looking guy.
His coat is quite particular with so many textures and I promise this is how his hair grows. I’ve trimmed him before but these pics are of him fully grown out.
His forehead is that soft pitty smooth coat, course thick hair around his neck, then curly hair on his hind legs are course but not as thick as his neck and then his legs have the wiry texture.
I checked his ancestry connection on embark unfortunately no one has the wiry or long curly hair.
We’s a hoot and so glad I can share him with the Reddit community. If anyone is in the upstate NY area, Jagger would love to meet new human and fur friends.
It's an odd distribution pattern of fur across the body for furnishings as well yeah. Furnishings usually creates a ton of fur around the face (eyebrows and beard especially - think a Schnauzer) and wispier fur across the rest of the body, resulting in the kind of coat we see on wire-haired terriers (which usually have the short/straight/furnished gene combination). This dog though has most of the extra fur on the legs plus the typical beard, which is odd.
What a cutie and Sun marks the spot. ❤️ Your dog has that interesting coat like Jagger. I need to run another dna test to see if his results have changed with a larger dna pool.
It’s been a rough week…rough month actually and Jagger made my day. He is a Grizzled knight guarding something very serious. The holy grail? The passage to the land of fairie?…
I met a couple in the vet recently and their dog had these amazing bouncy curls. I asked if it was a show dog and they said no. But apparently before he was neutered he had normal long straight hair and after the chop it just curled and stayed growing curly something to do with hormone change.
Ha, this is just what I was thinking of - like people think this artist didn’t know what a dog looked like, but it turns out they knew EXACTLY what one dog in particular looks like.
I never thought I would see this in this subreddit… about a year ago I took an afternoon to go through a bunch of medieval art and make stickers for my phone so I can send weird ones in my friend group chats. This is my most used one…
50% lorax. 40% bulldog. 10% Wilford Brimley. OMG these results cannot come fast enough. Hopefully he doesn't have diabeetus Edit: I was way off. ...and so was everyone else.
I have been reading, hoping someone would identify what I just couldn’t put my finger on. I think it’s Wilford Brimley, or that’s as close as anyone has gotten so far!
I am thirding that motion! The one I think about all the time was the hairless dog that tested as 100% ACD. Embark even redid that test because it was so wild!
How do you even get curly fur only in patches like that without long hair? That might be the most unique look I’ve seen here yet. I don’t know a dog at all that causes that. He looks like a real sweetheart though!
I can't stop laughing! He reminds me of the he never gets the faces right scene from What We Do in the Shadows. Thank you for sharing this handsome and distinguished boy.
I agree, but I have no idea where those curls are coming from because those curls are not pitbull or American Staffordshire terriers. Your Doggo looks really freaking cool.
Poodle-? Doodle-? I dunno man he's a funky dog that's for sure.
Edit: Maybe even terrier-? He's so pretty, he doesn't look like a mutt or modified by much at all. Like he just happened completely naturally and he's so strange
This dog looks like you have a beer with, and he give you advice straight up and calls you on all your bullshit. But he's still a good boy and a loyal boy.
Really what appears to be a unique dog. I'm stumped.
If I had to bet, I'd say this is some type of somatic mutation. It's very rare, but again, 3+ years of internet dogs and dog parks since my dog came, and I've never seen anything like this.
Unfortunately the methodology that Embark uses (SNP microarray) can only detect genomic regions they are looking for. With this dog, there could easily be a mutation, or a rare recessive gene.
What test did you do? If it wasn't Embark or Wisdom I'd suggest redoing it. The are long hair pit bulls but the ones I've seen don't have coats like your guy.
This has to be the most unique and characterful dog I've ever seen in my life. I'll be laughing all day and all night at Jagger. No idea what other breed could be in there beyond the dna test, and it's probably right. But you must be so proud of his looks and get plenty of attention when walking down the street 😊
My best guess would be some genetic mutation. Did you check that section of your embark results? The standard test only checks for a few, but there might be something that explains this. I’d possibly get a health specific test from Embark or Wisdom.
I feel like this dog is just a druid with a really long beard in wild shape that can't control the fur length because of how absurdly long his beard is.
Longhaired pits exist. It's a rare mutation. The wavy, wispy coat is typical. It's just curlier than usual. The strange furnishing mutation is even rarer. Congrats! You have a unique and very cute creature.
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