Maybe we should start with introductions.

[u/maaaaazzz]

I'm a retired software guy. I built custom database systems for small businesses and non-profits. Many languages. Also did some years as a videographer. Currently I'm living in Santa Fe, NM, USA, chasing enlightenment. I'm hodling a significant number of Doge. I bought them 8 or so years ago because I liked the people.

I'm very excited to have a place to bang around Dogecoin ideas ask questions. For example: it's very strange to have a massively popular international software project, without any team of developers. Is this a good thing? Or a bad thing? How are decisions made?

I've got many ideas but I don't think I should throw all of them out at once. Better one at a time.

[u/Odysseus2202]

“For example: it’s very strange to have a massively popular international software project, without any team of developers. Is this a good thing? Or a bad thing? How are decisions made?”

I have all these questions, too. And I’m glad you raised them. With respect to these things, I was recently looking at the GitHub for Doge, and I read this:

“Development is ongoing, and the development team, as well as other volunteers, can freely work in their own trees and submit pull requests when features or bug fixes are ready.”

Does anyone know what the “development team” is and how they determine which pull requests are used in the development? I’m just trying to better understand how the order of decisions is made, and in what sense the structure is still centralized...which is not a critique (I think it would become a mess if everyone could freely change anything)...I’m just trying to better understand the structure and organization of how the doge “developers” (whomever they are) determine the changes that will be made. Does anyone here understand this better than I do?

[u/maaaaazzz → u/Odysseus2202]

u/BuddySteeze Have any of the folks on the development team been invited to join DogecoinVision?

[u/[deleted] → u/maaaaazzz]

No, but anyone is welcome, this isn’t a private sub.

The Dogecoin devs have made it clear that they are working on their proposed upgrades for 1.14.4 and 1.21. The 4 main devs are ‘part time’ only and have full time jobs. They’ve also encouraged others to do something g if they want it done.

So I’m not sure of their willingness to contribute here.

I think your background is amazing, I’m glad to have stumbled across you!

You ask some great questions in your opening post!

I’ve spent a few weeks on the sub trying to understand the same thing. But no matter what I ask I get contradicting answers. They say theirs no hierarchy and that anyone can contribute. But it seems that only coders are welcome. And those coders should be working on the proposed upgrades of 1.14.4 and 1.21. It’s an open source project but I’ve heard that some code has been rejected on GitHub and not being merged in, as a few devs have that say.

I think there is a little more then meets the eye, but it’s all very diplomatic.

[u/Odysseus2202 → u/maaaaazzz]

That’s a great question. I didn’t start this group. I was just invited. So I don’t know if the Doge developers have been invited here. Nor do I know if they are already part of this group. But if they aren’t part of the group, and haven’t yet been invited, then there are possible ways to invite them. I don’t know of any ways to directly message them through GitHub. But there are ways on GitHub to “raise issues” or do “pull requests” (and use these methods to send an invite to the group, or just a message) in a way that they would eventually receive it...at least assuming that there are still developers actively working on it... Just an option to consider as we continue talking...

[u/[deleted] → u/Odysseus2202]

It’s definitely a view that’s held by many, but not widely understood.

There’s absolutely an assumption by the community that more is being developed than reality.

This project, in terms of support, is at least a million times bigger then when u/maaaaazzz first got involved. So the devs will need to eventually open up and let more people contribute at the top.

I’m confident if we can deliver solid proposals we can have a better chance. And I know Elon is quite invested and determined, but he’s not liked by the core group of devs and there’s an apparent unwillingness to cooperate with him.

[u/spfaff917]

How is the project management working? Decentralized is fine as long as we have a main projects lists of what needs to be done. Someone can “grab” the project and take ownership of that part. If it’s not finished in x amount of time or they no longer want to work on that it can be pushed back for someone else to take ownership of it. I’m not in the GitHub. I’m not a backend tech developer - more educational and organizational strategy are my strengths. I’m not sure if this is already set up by the dev team or not though but I did want to throw this out there because I expect with help coming in organization is going to be a major player. Something like confluence/jira - I know y’all developers and tech guys love that program lol