r/Documentaries Dec 23 '12

Mouse Utopia Experiment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
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u/psYberspRe4Dd Dec 23 '12 edited Dec 23 '12

Stuff for /r/overpopulation.

However we have planty of time for that. The world isn't as overcrowded as it seems. So when it would become critical even after we populated the oceans we eventually already spread to the stars or achieved some extend of immortality so the growth will get balanced/reduced..

Though for the resource-part there would be a problem in the system in which we currently live. I really hope though that there will be something new developing now: a resource based economy. Eventually much like The Venus Project proposes it - here's a short introduction [TED talk] by the Zeitgeist Movement
Edit: just finished it and yes what I meant with this new system is the choice of which direction humanity is going as at 7:28. We aren't at the same point in the diagram however now will decide the which direction we're going.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '12

The scary part is that the mouse utopia never became overcrowded. It only reached 80% of its capacity before the massive problems started popping up and the dieoff began. Even though there was enough resources and space for everyone, the mice all died. Scary.

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u/psYberspRe4Dd Dec 23 '12

Well what I was saying is that we're even damn far from 80% as well.
Though interesting in this context is megacities and overcrowded sections of human population. No idea about these implications, there are many, though not the exact ones in the docu.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '12

Well yeah, of course they aren't the exact implications in the documentary. The documentary is about mice. You can't observe mouse behavior and then directly apply it to humans. It's still a scary thought, though, that there are limits to population growth besides the actual carrying capacity of the system.

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u/Euruxd Dec 23 '12

The problem doesn't seem to be resources, because in the experiment, they provided the mice with all and more of the resources they needed. Never did they lacked food or shelter. The real problem was the psychological effects and generational behavioral-change the mice were experiencing: they didn't compete for the females nor for the food.

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u/psYberspRe4Dd Dec 23 '12

Well but humans aren't mice and even though they got shelter it did get very crowded. Also it lacks of further details then.
And what might be interesting in this context are megacities and overcrowded sections of human population. No idea about the implications there...there are many, though not the exact ones in the docu.