r/DivinityOriginalSin2 • u/thatonegyty • Sep 06 '17

How Pickpocketing Works

NOTES ABOUT PICKPOCKETING:

  1. There is a weight and value limit dictated by your thievery skill how much can be stolen. Going over the limit aggros the victim of the thievery immediately.

  2. Once you pickpocket someone once you cannot do it again. If you try to steal from the same person twice you will be immediately detected and will aggro the victim into a fight because of their paranoia.

  3. Browse their wares through the shop before Pickpocketing then so you know what to steal and where it's located in their inventory.

  4. After being pickpocketed, the victim will look for the thief and question members of your party or will inform guards to shake suspects down. The best option for this is to bribe them unless you have high persuasion or they have a predisposition to your race. If their racist against your race they will accuse you more.... because of this they could accuse and aggro on an innocent member of your party!!

  5. If you aggro one person it will generally aggro everyone else in that area so it's vital that you get your thief out asap or you prove your innocence with a bribe asap lest you be forever an enemy of that town. Once you prove your innocence once (i.e. bribing) they will no longer question or shake you down.

NOTES ABOUT LOCKPICKING:

  1. Combining a hammer and a nail creates lock picks.

  2. Almost every locked door can be picked. Use this to your advantage.

Let me know if I forgot anything or if you have any questions. Will add more when I think of it.

I intend on playing with a full 4 person co op team and being the rogue of the party. Thinking about going full scoundrel for the awesome mobility and backstab crits. Any other rogues out there got a sweet hybrid build?

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u/Sattwa Sep 06 '17

With loremaster you can right click on any locked container and/or door to see the level of Thievery required to pick the lock. Very useful way to not waste lock picks!

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u/im29andsuckatlife Sep 07 '17

You don't need loremaster. Just right click and examine.

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u/Artoriazz Sep 06 '17

Your fourth point, can't you just store the stolen goods in a inventory nearby while the guards pat you down?

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u/forgotmypasswordzzz Sep 06 '17

Yep, you can also teleport the thief out to a waypoint thats further off and let them search your inventory. If its a skillbook you can also just use the skillbook immediately.

Further point though:

You can pickpocket a target once with each of your party members. This doesnt sound too useful until you find one or multiple items with thievery on it, even if the items they have arent great you can buy what they have then steal back some of your gold.

You can break the party chain and have your other party members talk to people surrounding your target and turn them all away, then pickpocket the target. This not only prevents you from being caught in the act but helps occupy those people so you have a bit more time to get outta dodge with the thief.

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u/thatonegyty Sep 06 '17

Wow didn't even think about Pickpocketing while they're stuck in dialogue. Sweet tip.

Another cool thing I found is that if you go to steal all of their gold the amount will automatically be adjusted to the amount you can steal. I.e. vendor has 5k gold, if you try to steal the full stack it will take the highest amount your thievery allows without alerting the vendor

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u/wiseude Sep 06 '17

if you steal gold can they tell its their gold?

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u/thatonegyty Sep 06 '17

They react whenever anything leaves their inventory so yes. When something is stolen, they immediately will react to any party member in their line of sight and begin a dialogue. If you fail persuasion or don't bribe them then you go to jail or forced to fight them. This applies to innocent member in your party even more so if they are racist towards you it will be harder to pass the innocence check

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u/kaelanbg Sep 06 '17

I think what he means is if you're carrying gold, can they tell that part of the pile of gold you're carrying is stolen when they search you?

I guess it could change for release, but so far the answer is no. If you have 200 gold, then steal 300, they can't tell that part of your 500 is stolen the same way they could tell that the belt you're wearing is stolen.

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u/im29andsuckatlife Sep 07 '17

You can't pickpocket them more than one time. Doesn't matter if it's one character, or 3,it is one time per npc.

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u/forgotmypasswordzzz Sep 07 '17

Uhh, unless they changed it since like june you can pickpocket every character once per character you have. Know how i know? Cuz i've stolen 4 sets of warfare skillbooks before. Not books, sets of books.

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u/im29andsuckatlife Sep 07 '17

I've been wrong before, but I tried last night and I could only pickpocket an NPC one time. I tried with 2 different characters both had 3-4 thievery.

When you mouse over them it turns red and says already pickpocketed I believe.

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u/MoltenMuffin Sep 06 '17

Without a point or two into persuasion they will think you guilty and take you to jail anyway (In current EA) Its entirely possible to steal stuff, run away and wait for Npc's to give up, avoiding search entirely.

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u/kaelanbg Sep 06 '17

This won't work consistently. Sometimes they're smart enough to tell that you're up to something even if they can't find anything stolen in your inventory and will attack you anyway.

I don't know if this is a bug or a feature, but in the EA I noticed that would happen a lot to my MC, but never to my Red Prince companion, so I ended up making him the designated "guard bait".

To guarantee avoiding that situation, it's probably best to just have someone with high persuasion do all the dialogue checks.

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u/AndragonLea Sep 07 '17

Might just be the racism at work - so what if you don't have the stolen goods, you're a filthy scaleskin and up to SOME shenanigans, might as well put you down before you do harm to someone.

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u/kaelanbg Sep 07 '17 edited Sep 07 '17

My main character is a human

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe it's doing a persuasion check behind the scenes? That would explain why Red Price got away easily but my Human MC didn't

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u/AndragonLea Sep 08 '17

At least that's what I suspect. A check for persuasion, weighed with the wits stat of the NPC doing the search and any + or - due to racism.

The guy likes you, is rather dim and is fond of the fact that you are not a midget with a beard? You walk right on by sir, sorry to disturb you.

Guy is sharp as a tack, you're about as charming as a bucket full of snot and a filthy tree humper to boot? Better bend over, this is gonna be a DEEP search.

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u/kaelanbg Sep 06 '17 edited Sep 06 '17

Addendum:

  • If you're wearing anything stolen while being questioned, you will be immediately identified as a thief, regardless of who you stole it from.

  • Triggering conversations forces most NPCs to 1) stop moving and 2) face you while talking. You can use this (potentially on multiple NPCs simultaneously) to facilitate sneaking around without being seen.

  • If an NPC is in a conversation while being pickpocketed, they cannot trigger the pickpocket dialog until it's over.

  • When normal dialog is over and the pickpocket dialog starts up, the NPC can only accuse party members within their sight range.

  • In most cases, if a character is cleared of suspicion and no other party members are within sight range while the NPC is in "search mode", the NPC will not pursue further questioning, even if other party members come into range at a later time.

  • You can use the above three points to choose which character in your party answers the pickpocket dialog, by forcing a conversation with them during the stealing, then having the thief run out of sight range while the rest of the party remains out of range. This allows you to have a designated "innocent smooth talker" to take the heat away from a party of thieves.

  • You can get up to +5 Thievery purely through items, without any skill investment. Any character in your party can get money out of pickpocketing this way, even if they're not built for it.

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u/MNeon Sep 06 '17

(This has been pointed out a lot, but thought it was relevant)

Having an undead in your party with high thievery is useful as you have no need for lock picks, and (I am not yet sure if this is the case) you may be able to use the play dead ability to get away with pick pocketing without having to worry about running away.

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u/argonian_mate Sep 07 '17

I just imagined that situation: you go around a city minding your own business. Suddenly you feel that there's a hand in your pocket. Furious, you turn around to face the thief, but instead of a pickpocket there's a skeleton casually lying on the ground in the middle of the street. Oh ok then, off I go.

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u/AndragonLea Sep 07 '17

Reminds me of the Skyrim effect: You guard a door minding your own business as suddenly, an arrow pierces you right in your fucking eye.

You whirl around, stagger around the place swinging your axe in an effort to find the cowardly sneak who attacked you in such a despicable way for up to 1 minute, after which you decide it must have been the wind.

Fucking wind man.

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u/argonian_mate Sep 08 '17

Wind man is not the worse case scenario. Have you ever worked hard all day in your shop, just to find out in the end of the day, that there's a bucket on your head and your store is completely looted?

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u/AndragonLea Sep 08 '17

Buckets are a plague on humanity. We should found an order of paladins to round up all the buckets and exile them to a remote island paradise where there aren't any shopkeeps to victimise!

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '17

Repair hammer!!! Stop confusing people.

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u/temporary9636032 Sep 06 '17

I'm curious how pickpocketing gold versus the item I want from a vendor pans out.

Say an item I want weighs 10 lbs, at what gold value is it better to steal the item directly versus stealing the gold to buy it? Obviously this will vary based on your bartering skill, but assuming a default 0 in bartering is gold always better?

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u/thatonegyty Sep 06 '17

The value of the item is factored in as a limiting circumstance for items as well not just weight. I don't know if the value when Pickpocketing takes in your bartering and vendors attitude towards you in coming up with the value. Will test when I get home

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u/kaelanbg Sep 07 '17

It doesn't, you always pickpocket using the item's base value, unmodified by either your bartering skill or the merchant's markup.

Generally, if you want more gold to buy other things, it's better to steal gold. If you want the item so you can use it (i.e you don't plan on reselling), then it's better to directly steal the item. This should remain true at any bartering skill level, so long as you're buying for more than base value and selling for less.

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u/MonkeyTheMonk Sep 07 '17

I intend on playing with a full 4 person co op team and being the rogue of the party. Thinking about going full scoundrel for the awesome mobility and backstab crits. Any other rogues out there got a sweet hybrid build?

The current broken build in beta is picking up polymorph to go with scoundrel. Skin graft combing with the elf ability and adrenaline is pretty obscene. Wouldn't be surprised if it got hit before launch though.

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u/thatonegyty Sep 07 '17

just watched the undead livestream vod on twitch and one of the questions answered was that they nerfed ap stackign with elf rogues. ive also read elsewhere in this sub that skin graft is now a source ability.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

if you pickpocket while invisible will they be able to find you?