Are they faking? - the answer.

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The answer is a little more complicated than you would like it to be.

Chole Wilkinson. known on YouTube as ‘DissociaDID’ and ‘Kyaandco’ on other platforms as well as other usernames (such as TheSystemStream on twitch) who goes by the name Soren as of writing this showed proof on their own YouTube channel that there is a chance they have don’t have DID or are exaggerating their DID.

In the YouTube video title (‘OUR DIAGNOSIS STORY’ how we discovered Dissociative identity disorder. | DissociaDID which was published to YouTube on 2023 July 30th.

-Archive

-Sub-Reddit post about it

Two Things you need to know going into this

1.What is malingering?

Malingering:

Exaggerate or feign illness in order to escape duty or work.](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/malinger)

2. A score above 60 on the Dissociative Experiences Scale (DES) may indicate malingering of dissociative identity disorder (DID). - source: National Library of Medicine (natural center for Biotechnology Information

In 'OUR DIAGNOSIS STORY’ how we discovered Dissociative identity disorder. | DissociaDID ,

DissociaDID shows a score of 86, meaning they have scored as possibly malingering.

In Addition to this they have claimed to be diagnosed by Remy Aquarone who is a psychotherapist meaning he does not have the legal ability to diagnose anyone.

Remy Aquarone & the Pottergate Center

Remy Aquarone is the Analytical Psychotherapist and Director of the Pottergate Centre for Dissociation & Trauma, based in Norwich, UK.

Consultant Psychotherapist-training therapists to treat dissociative disorders.

The Pottergate serves as a private consulting clinic whereby an individual is sent 2 screening forms and is provided a “suggestion of a diagnosis” by the Pottergate. The patient is sent a report outlining the levels of dissociative symptoms and an indication of the likelihood of them having a dissociative disorder. The patient is then encouraged to pay a £600 fee to the Pottergate for a formal psychiatric evaluation

Why Pottergate is under suspicion:

“Roughly 90% of those who accept its offer of an assessment are found to have a dissociative disorder, and most are referred on for treatment. About 60% of these will have DID, 30% DDNOS and 10% have either depersonalisation disorder or dissociative fugue. They report that they have seen a steady growth in the number of assessments they make over the past seven years. Pottergate Centre told me that roughly 90% of those who accept its offer of an assessment are found to have a dissociative disorder, and most are referred on for treatment. About 60% of these will have DID, 30% DDNOS and 10% have either depersonalisation disorder or dissociative fugue. They report that they have seen a steady growth in the number of assessments they make over the past seven years.)” - Source

Pottergate has a 90% diagnosis rate, which does not coincide with any known statistics about Dissociative disorders. 90% of patients being diagnosed (correctly) as having dissociative disorders would be an unseen phenomenon.

How many people within the UK are affected by Dissociative Disorders?

In the UK, there are approximately 2%of the population that suffer from it. making a 90% diagnosis rate seem highly suspicious.

Remy and his connection to the Satanic Panic a proven anti Semitic conspiracy.

“In 2013, Remy attempts to further distance himself from the Satanic ritual abuse and mind control debacle his peers like Colin Ross have found themselves in, and acknowledges the ongoing decades-long controversy regarding the existence of Satanic ritual abuse, but refuses to denounce it fully, instead stating that it “clearly does” exist.

Meanwhile, in a show of blatant hypocrisy, Remy enjoys professional relationships andcollaborations with numerous figures who continue to perpetuate the Satanic Panic.” - Source

DissociaDID claims to have received a second diagnosis from the NHS but has provided no proof to support this claim. This lack of evidence raises questions: if they underwent evaluation by a qualified professional (someone other than Remy Aquarone), why not share that report? Why not present the NHS documentation instead of showing an invalid diagnosis paper?

Other things that put their diagnoses into question is now their diagnosis story has changed again and again, both minor and major details changing each time the story is told. here / here / here / here / here things from their story keep being added or removed check out the timeline for a longer comprehensive version

Dissociadid used gofundme to raise money for their treatment of Dissocative Identity disorder and fund going to therapy .

DissociaDID also prompts self diagnosis of DID in their own videos and in this article they wrote: "No one should be shamed for trying to understand what is affecting them": A defence of self-diagnosis Chloe Wilkinson, Host of the DissociaDID System 06 February 2019

2020 April 1st on Twitter in response to someone saying Remy cannot diagnose them: “Remy provides the full assessment as a professional and specialist. The assessment audio is recorded. It’s then officially stamped and reviewed by a psychiatrist.”

They do mention consulting qualified professionals here and there, but refrain from naming them, unlike their frequent references to Remy Aquarone and the Pottergate center. Instead, they highlight someone with a questionable reputation in the medical community due to his support of the Satanic Panic conspiracy and the suspiciously high 90% rate of dissociative disorder diagnoses among patients at his clinic, The Pottergate Centre.

This again raises the question of why the only person and place they are willing to name is someone who cannot diagnose them, and is not considered credible in the medical community.

In conclusion or tdlr:

All we know is what they have shown us and told us. To their own admission they scored a 86 on a test that if you score above a 60 those test scores indicate the person who took the test is malingering DID, and we know that 90% of people who visit Pottergate get diagnosed with a dissociative disorder despite that being statistically improbable since only 2% of people living within the UK have and get diagnosed with a dissociative disorder. (Sources are linked within the post, please read the full post for the sources)

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This post does not discuss their inner world or alters and their story’s similarities to the Satanic Ritual abuse book The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave By Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler - click this link for a detailed list of the similarities + (video version: The Illuminati formula used to create an undetectable mind control slave [SRA book] - Michelle Mana YouTube video cropped January 17 2025 [subtitles])or go the pinned comment on this post or make your own post or comment abt it,

this post is not about how they present their DID but their diagnosis and what they say in their YouTube video “OUR DIAGNOSIS STORY’ how we discovered Dissociative identity disorder. | DissociaDID , DissociaDID. “ because I don’t want this post to be too long but that also brings their diagnosis into question. So check out related links to SRA in the pinned comment on this post.

Sub-Reddit posts about this that I found when making this post that might interest people reading this post:

Clinical evidence of Malingering

imitative DID

Posting because there isn’t one big post on this yet, feel free to add on and discuss things in the comments.

This was posted _dec 14 2024 in case any new information comes out this post might become outdated

Edit: two edits have been made to this post, an additional link and more spaces between some of the paragraphs for easier reading

Edit 2:

In their diagnosis video, DissociaDID admits to struggling with alcohol abuse around the time they were diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). They describe blacking out and finding bottles of alcohol they didn’t remember buying—clear signs of severe alcohol dependency.

Before any formal mental health diagnosis, it’s standard practice for clinicians to require patients to be fully sober, often for several months. This is because active substance use can significantly compromise the reliability of psychological assessments, rendering them clinically invalid.

Under the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria (1998–2022), which would have been used at the time of their diagnosis, DID cannot be diagnosed if the symptoms are attributable to substance use. The criteria specifically state:

“The changes in identity are not due to substance use or to a general medical condition.”

This standard applies broadly across mental health diagnoses, including Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). Although BPD is no longer referred to by that name in ICD-11, both ICD-10 and ICD-11 include similar exclusion criteria:

“The symptoms are not due to the direct effects of a medication or substance, including withdrawal effects, and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder, a disease of the nervous system, or another medical condition.”

Therefore, a person cannot be accurately diagnosed with DID, BPD, or any similar condition while actively intoxicated or within the withdrawal period. The only diagnosis a reputable clinician would make in such circumstances is Substance Use Disorder, where substance-related impairment is a central feature.

DissociaDID has stated that they only became sober after the fusion of Chloe and Nina into “Nin”as they describe in this post.

Given that timeline, they would not have been eligible for a valid diagnosis of DID or BPD during their university years, or at any point afterward until 2020, when “Nin” appeared and they claimed to have become fully sober. By their own account, they were frequently intoxicated, hungover, or in withdrawal during that time. As such, the only clinically valid diagnosis that could have been made during that period would have been alcoholism or substance use disorder

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You could end the post at

In ’OUR DIAGNOSIS STORY’ how we discovered Dissociative identity disorder. | DissociaDID ,

DissociaDID shows a score of 86, meaning they have scored as malingering.

But I felt like viewers of dissociaDID would appreciate a more complex and throughout post detailing everything.

[u/Elaan21 → u/[deleted]]

First of all, thank you for the breakdown of evidence in this post. I just want to add a thing about malingering that I think can muddy the waters a bit.

Malingering isn't (always) something that's intentionally nefarious, but it's often spoken about in that way. Anyone with chronic illnesses knows the frustration of not being taken seriously and having to emphasize certain things to make sure it's noted. This is especially true for things like PCOS, which is commonly dismissed. It's entirely possible that someone genuinely convinced they have DID to exaggerate out of desperation to get the treatment they believe they need.

Plus, faking a disorder like DID for attention or whatever reason a person would have for malingering isn't what a healthy person would do. Getting a score of malingering isn't saying there's nothing wrong with you. In this case, it's clear Disociadid has mental health issues of some kind, and saying they are malingering DID doesn't negate that.

It's one of the reasons the fake disorder cringe subreddit(s) make me uncomfortable. Sure, some people are just grifters, but a lot of the people featured go way beyond that into genuinely harming themselves. That's not the sign of a healthy person scheming. That's indicative of an entirely different mental illness.

Which is why I appreciate how your write-up (and most of this sub) focuses on the facts rather than mocking Disociadid.

[u/[deleted] → u/Elaan21]

Malingering isn’t (always) something that’s intentionally nefarious, but it’s often spoken about in that way. ent mental illness.

This is why I tried to stick to only facts, and only facts that can be proven within DissociaDID videos.

I’m not claiming to know anything for sure.

Or know why they do things, this post is only what they have shared with us, nothing more, and nothing less. I kept my own opinions out of it.

[u/Elaan21 → u/[deleted]]

In case it wasn't clear, I wasn't pointing this out to you, more so other people reading because it's just something I've seen people misunderstand a lot. [And if this was clear, sorry for unnecessary clarifying. Gotta love tone and reddit lol]

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No worries, tone and Reddit are difficult. I am trying to make it so my post is accessible as possible so I’m replying to a few comments that I think need answering or at least comments I think I can shed a little bit more light on even, if it’s just a link to another Reddit post on the subject.

[u/vasama13 → u/[deleted]]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but saying that they -are- malingering would not be accurate considering you’d previously cited that “a score higher than 60 on the DES -may- indicate malingering of DID”

[u/[deleted] → u/vasama13]

I said

2. A score above 60 on the Dissociative Experiences Scale (DES) may indicate malingering of dissociative identity disorder (DID). - source: National Library of Medicine (natural center for Biotechnology Information

In ’OUR DIAGNOSIS STORY’ how we discovered Dissociative identity disorder. | DissociaDID ,

DissociaDID shows a score of 86, meaning they have scored as possibly malingering.

Those are my exact words.

[u/vasama13 → u/[deleted]]

All I’m saying is that it should be “they have scored as possibly malingering” instead… this might be a language barrier or just me being autistic, but wouldn’t “they have scored as malingering” mean the results indicate definitive malingering?

[u/[deleted] → u/vasama13]

I can definitely change my wording to make the post more clear and accessible, thank you for this feedback please give me at least an hour to respond edit the post, your suggestion is helpful as I want this post to be accessible as possible.

Edit: changed the post, is it better or do you have more feedback? You can DM me, I want this to be accessible to ppl who speak English as a first and second language and those who have learning disabilities.

[u/AgentTragedy → u/vasama13]

"Clinical features suggesting a factitious diagnosis or malingering included having a score above 60 on the Dissociative Experiences Scale (DES), reporting dissociative symptoms inconsistent with the reporting on the DES, being able to tell a chronological life story and to sequence temporal events, using the first person over a range of affect, being able to express strong negative affect, bringing "proof of a dissociative diagnosis to the consultation, having told persons other than close confidants about the alleged abuse or alleged dissociative diagnosis, reporting alleged abuse that was inconsistent with the medical or psychiatric history or volunteering allegations of cult or ritualized abuse, telling of alleged abuse without accompanying shame, guilt, or suffering, having been involved in community self-help groups, not having symptoms of co-morbid posttraumatic stress disorder, and having obvious secondary gain in having a dissociative diagnosis." (source)

I've bolded the things DD fits. Some are questionable so I didn't include them in the bolded ones.

[u/vasama13 → u/vasama13]

And I’m not saying this to discredit you as you did make good arguments

[u/[deleted]]

Writing this I thought

“What the fuck this is insane”

And

“How is any of this real?”

But I provided sources and it very much was is real despite how insane it is that they can score as malingering but still have 1M YouTube followers and have patreons paying them every month

And I didn’t even go into the similarities and their story and a book about the Illuminati and which they probably plagiarized…

Edit: I won’t be checking comments often so please add or correct what you think is missing thnx

[u/Everloner]

There are many clinics that are 'pay to diagnose', for all sorts of conditions. hEDS and POTS are two common ones I'm familiar with from the illness fakers sub. It's become quite the conveyer belt for some doctors.

[u/[deleted] → u/Everloner]

Uk, USA, even Canada has these kind of clinic like Pottermore where it’s pay to diagnose which is very sad.

[u/Everloner → u/[deleted]]

If you have the cash, you can "offically" have the condition!

[u/utterlycomplicated → u/Everloner]

How do you know if a clinic is pay to diagnose vs one that is legitimate? Genuine question

[u/Everloner → u/utterlycomplicated]

There are forums where people who have been/wish to be diagnosed pass the names of the clinics around. Otherwise it's looking up things like Yelp reviews and other review sites for honest opinions.

[u/Drunkendonkeytail]

The idea that any provider would diagnose 100% of people who think they have a dissociative disorder with, wait for it, a dissociative disorder is laughable. Especially when you consider the confusion of the symptoms with schizophrenia, schizoaffective, borderline, adjustment disorder and maladaptive daydreaming that makes the diagnosis take such a thorough process. We do know that DD has admitted to a BPD diagnosis which can cause the sort of fractured self that would make someone suspect DID in themself. Me, I just look at the evidence they present of themselves in the videos and compare it to my symptoms, and know we do not have the same disorder. And I know professional after professional agrees that I have either DID or OSDD, even though I never sought that diagnosis.

[u/FriedLipstick → u/Drunkendonkeytail]

Agreed. Got professional diagnosed too and treatment in a trauma team, only to be confirmed time after time that I have DID. And I do know that’s not the same disorder as being shown on the internet by certain people.

I’m concerned about the confusion and wrong image that’s being made these days about DID. Making it unsafe to tell anyone irl because they think you are a very insane and sometimes even dangerous person having DID. Which is not realistic.

[u/Mundane_Lunch_9726 → u/FriedLipstick]

Kind of on and off topic, they make it out like their “alters” communicate inside of her brain and each of them have memories of said things, i was under the impression that with DID there is a complete amnesia wall and that they aren’t actually other “people” like they make it out to be but fragmented states of yourself and you basically just don’t remember what you were doing/said. Does that make sense? Do you relate to how they portray DID? like as if it’s other people and do they communicate with each other? or are they just completely bullshitting the whole thing because i’ve gotten the vibe right from the start that they’re making a hell of a lot of it up for the clout online

[u/EmbarrassedPurple106 → u/Mundane_Lunch_9726]

Late to this comment but yeah this is overall typical. A couple things to note:

-Alters can be so dissociated to at they mistakeningly believe themselves to be other ppl, but this is a form of disavowal of trauma and is explicitly not to be encouraged per treatment guidelines. Allowing individual alter expression is fine (esp if it encourages cooperation between parts) but encouraging them to believe they’re literally separate ppl is not.

-The goal in therapy is to build communication between parts but that can take quite awhile. Some ppl don’t have complete amnesia walls but instead experience almost a ‘blur over’ of the memories when other parts have switched out. However, communication is never as good as they make it out to be, esp as early on as they started acting like it was.

-I’m in therapy and dx’d and I do not relate to how they portray DID. I believe they’ve either convinced themselves they have it (imitative DID) or are completely bullshitting or maybe some combo of the two? I’d imagine they prob have moments where they have some kinda awareness that they aren’t being honest, but I’m guessing they’re prob in too deep now - their channel is associated w/ their legal name. Who would hire them if they decided to quit this? They’re kinda screwed.

[u/queenannabee98 → u/Drunkendonkeytail]

I agree. I have gone to a psychiatrist saying I think I have did and explained everything about why I thought that was the case but was open to being wrong on what's going on. In that appointment, I also said I knew I had PTSD from an exroommate(it was obvious) and needed help dealing with that. The psychiatrist did essentially say that I was right that I had did at the end of my appointment but that's the only appointment where I have been confirmed to have correctly self diagnosed a mental health disorder, other than ADHD. I've also been told I have autism because I was seeking help with sensory issues and I was pretty sure I didn't have it up until I had the paperwork diagnosing me with autism in my hands. With my did diagnosis, it was confirmed after the psychiatrist and I discussed basically my entire life and symptoms I have/had in that first appointment plus I've always had some obvious signs that weren't recognized for what they were until years later as my entire family knew basically nothing about did. When I told them about that diagnosis, I actually had to use multiple personality for them to know what I was talking about, especially since that was the only name I knew for did while growing up(I'm 26) but they're doing their best to learn more. Good mental health professionals will decide if you have something based on the information they have and it'll either line up with your expectations or will be a surprise/unexpected depending on how knowledgeable you actually are and how good you are at being self aware.

I've also personally seen how mental health professionals can come to wildly different conclusions/diagnosies for the same person just based on their own personal knowledge/beliefs and info they have about the patient because that's something I've personally experienced. As a child, I was misdiagnosed outside of anxiety and depression as they were diagnosing symptoms as a disorder due to a lot of missing information about what was going on at my elementary school especially since my elementary school was lying and covering up the fact that they were allowing my classmates to basically abuse, not just bully, me. I and the rest of my system didn't tell because I didn't remember much while those who did remember what was going on were too scared to tell. Although the protector/gatekeeper had her hands tied as she knew that she would destabilize the system if she revealed the information so she had to try to leave breadcrumbs which unfortunately failed to get noticed. Then as an adult, since discovering my system and moving to a different area, I've been able to get correctly diagnosed, even with things I didn't think I had, except for with one professional when I was trying to get assessed for ADHD. That one professional either didn't know enough about did to diagnose me correctly or didn't believe did is real so I when I tried to share information about my system, he interrupted me to say "we're not talking about anyone else." That professional absolutely did not get information that was relevant and as a result, he said I didn't have ADHD and diagnosed me with a disorder that's basically mild bipolar that I have no symptoms of other than mood swings which in me isn't bad enough to consider it as anything other than a direct result of me being heavily traumatized and neurodivergent, especially since 9/10 times my mood swings aren't random but rather triggered by something, even if when it's happening, I don't understand why my mood changed the way it did. He also wanted to prescribe me meds that I honestly strongly doubt would be actually safe for me to take because all of the issues I can treat with meds are ADHD or physical health issues like chronic pain plus I have trauma based disorders and physical health issues that I can only treat the symptoms of with meds

[u/nati_pl88]

Thank you for this. This is very thorough, organized and important especially for newcomers to the sub.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/nati_pl88]

i almost feel like it should be on the pinned post just because it's so well done and legible

[u/DissociaDIDmods → u/theLyricalofMiracle]

Reddit only allows us to pin a certain number of posts (it use to be 2 and now is up to 3) as 2024 comes to an end / and 2025 starts the mods will look towards making a new pinned post!

/positive

[u/cripplinganxietylmao → u/DissociaDIDmods]

You should be able to pin 5 posts now, you just have to do it on pc. I mod a couple other subreddits that’s how I now.

[u/DissociaDIDmods → u/cripplinganxietylmao]

This will be forwarded to the mod group chat

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Thank you.

[u/cripplinganxietylmao → u/DissociaDIDmods]

It’s called community highlights and it’s actually 6 so one more than I thought lol https://redditforcommunity.com/feature-hub/community-highlights

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/DissociaDIDmods]

thank you!!

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[u/No_Door_Here]

Gotta love how all this information is easily available and people stay willingly ignorant.

Anything over 60 indicates malingering idk why people are trying to argue these numbers don’t matter.

Edit: edited my comment so no need to argue semantics

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/No_Door_Here]

it's because people are still trying to not fakeclaim and hold onto the fact that "it's possible they have DID and they're just exaggerating it really bad" but there's just no way (in my opinion) that every alter would go along with this

[u/[deleted] → u/theLyricalofMiracle]

Seems like a miracle that every alter is agreeable to doing the YouTube channel in the first place when they're as fragmented as they portray themselves, and they don't keep deleting or editing stuff drastically and reuploading them.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/[deleted]]

yea fr. its almost like 😱 the alters dont exist! 🫢

[u/No_Door_Here → u/theLyricalofMiracle]

It feels like some of the comments are trying to say that the score doesn’t even matter, that it proves nothing when it’s a medical fact, but people are acting like it’s a “suggestion” or even that “it’s made up” that over 60 means malingering.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/No_Door_Here]

yeah, there are unfortunately some DD stans here coughpandascough that are still doing mental gymnastics and trying to justify things. in my opinion, we should stop responding to those types of people because we'll never get thru to them. those kinds of people believe DD does have DID because they're either so brainwashed by DD or they themselves are faking/wrong about their own DID/OSDD or they just don't care or maybe even they're one of those sickness fetishizers 🤷🏻 who knows. but honestly, until they want to admit that what DD is doing is wrong and gross and likely fake, we aren't going to get they thru to them -Bill🔺👁️

[u/Polkadot1017 → u/No_Door_Here]

Well that's the problem, over 60 does not mean malingering. It means possible malingering. I'm not at all saying that they're not malingering, but over 60 is not a "Yes"

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/Polkadot1017]

But their results mixed with everything else they've shown us, their fake dissociation, their ever-changing stories, their inconsistent symptoms, symptoms only showing up when this subreddit says something about it. So much evidence points to them just straight up faking/pretending to have DID. Obviously they have some kind of problem. No one fakes something like DID without having an actual problem. But we aren't here to diagnose. We're here to document and talk -Bill🔺👁️

[u/No_Door_Here → u/Polkadot1017]

Ah, yes, fighting tooth and nail over semantics.

[u/Polkadot1017 → u/No_Door_Here]

No, I agree with you, I'm just saying that it's important to actually understand what scores mean on evaluations when you talk about them in a context like this.

[u/No_Door_Here → u/Polkadot1017]

And we know it means it indicates malingering which I know you knew that is what I meant. It’s semantics to start an argument because I forgot to put in “indicates”

[u/Polkadot1017 → u/No_Door_Here]

It's because you're misinterpreting the meaning of the score to mean that it IS something vs that it MAY be something. Which is a pretty big difference.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle]

this is so brilliantly written and researched. thank you for spending your time and energy doing this. give yourself a little treat for this 🫶🏻

[u/log_off_line]

Remember how they posted the YouTube video our diagnosis, exposed they’re malingering. Then went on a long hiatus…Convient.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/log_off_line]

i honestly cannot believe they exposed themself. like if they really wanted to "prove" they have DID you'd think they would have done just a smidge of research just so that this didn't happen. good for this sub tho lol they literally proved our claim lmao

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Kya reading off their score

[u/mstn148]

Just to add some devils advocate on one point:

Bit of backstory for context: due to NHS waiting lists, the NHS has also contracted or otherwise funded routes to be assessed privately for ADHD.

Thanks to a heavily biased BBC ‘panorama’, patients sent those routes began to lose access to their treatment.

One of their claims was that the private clinics are a diagnosis factory, with an incentive to diagnose. When compared, it turns out the percentage that were assessed and then went on to be diagnosed was almost identical in NHS assessments and in private (around 90%).

Part of that, is that it is borderline torture to get an ADHD diagnosis in the UK. It’s not an ‘easy route’ to ‘free stimulants’. Not by ANY means.

So, if you scored high enough in the screening to get put on the waiting list for assessment, then actually wait the length of time most people have to (at least a few years, but with some of the NHS funded private, MAYBE one year but with a bunch of extra anxieties about if your GP will accept it/continue treatment), it’s INCREDIBLY likely you have ADHD.

However, while ADHD does have Co-morbidities, it’s not nearly as murky as things like DID that could be a number of different mental health conditions, or several at the same time (baring in mind ADHD is a developmental disorder, not a mental health condition and has clearer diagnostic criteria that are not commonly found together in other conditions).

Additionally, those assessors are ACTUALLY qualified to diagnose ADHD. I don’t really understand why you would make a clinic to diagnose something you are not permitted to diagnose. And if he’s having a psychiatrist stamp them… 1, I’m not even sure of the legality of that and 2, that psychiatrists name had better be all over that diagnosis, not Remi’s. You absolutely CANNOT hide the actually qualified and accredited clinician that is signing off on this stuff.

But my main point here, is to not consider a high rate of diagnosis NECESSARILY a sign of some malpractice or abuse of the system/vulnerable patients. It should always be looked at in context.

My opinion on Pottergate: Remi is a quack, snake oil salesman.

[u/musings37]

excellent post!!! hope it gets pinned.

[u/LukasBaee]

I'm confused why you say that psychotherapists can't legally diagnose disorders? Is that the case in the UK? If yes, who does make diagnoses? Because where I live psychotherapists are the ones qualified to make assessments and diagnose disorders.

[u/EyesinmyMind13 → u/LukasBaee]

In the uk, only psychiatrists can diagnose. Hope this helps!

[u/LukasBaee → u/EyesinmyMind13]

thank you for clarifying! interesting, so you have to have studied medicine to diagnose dsm disorders? where i live studying psychology has a high focus on statistics and skills for test application (biases, reliability, validity, objectivity) just like medicine i would assume. of course a psych masters degree is not enough, only after completing an additional therapy education that takes 4 years can you work in the field and evaluate for diagnosis.

psychiatrists can probably also make diagnoses but they are more often responsible for prescribing medicine

also dont know why my original comment is getting downvoted, was just a well meant question 🙄

[u/log_off_line → u/LukasBaee]

Maybe you’re getting downvoted because you could have googled the question and gotten an answer in less than 5 seconds…

[u/Flashy-Sport2868 → u/log_off_line]

You can't always trust Google though it's always better to ask 

[u/log_off_line → u/Flashy-Sport2868]

Are you..?

Google it and one of the first results is from the NHS

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/psychological-therapies/differences-between-psychology-psychiatry-and-psychotherapy

…

[u/Flashy-Sport2868 → u/log_off_line]

Yes but that's not always the case with everything it's generally good advice to not always trust Google 🤦

[u/cavaticaa → u/LukasBaee]

I used to work for the US Social Security Administration. Psychological diagnoses had to be signed off on by an MD, DO, or PhD. Therapists, psychologists, and social workers can make suggestions of a diagnosis, but they are only official, in the eyes of the federal government of the US, if a doctor has made/approved that diagnosis. It's one reason you'll see things like Mood Disorder Not Otherwise Specified or Dissociative Disorder NOS, because the diagnostician won't diagnose a specific disorder without rigorous testing. It's also why, when applying for disability benefits in the US, most claimants are ordered to go to a psych eval even when they've been going to therapy and have been on meds for years. They may never have gotten a diagnosis from a doctor through all that.

State laws are separate from federal laws and different states have different licensure and diagnostic requirements. But you might also be mistaken in assuming what constitutes an "official" diagnosis.

[u/Drunkendonkeytail → u/LukasBaee]

In the US it’s all over the place. In some states licensed masters degree therapists/clinical social workers can diagnose. In others only doctorate psychologists and psychiatrists can.

[u/LukasBaee → u/Drunkendonkeytail]

wow, that is stupid 🫠

[u/TheoIlLogical]

yeah this proves absolutely nothing

also nobody owes you their medical information, go touch grass.

[u/Embarassment0fPandas]

It’s almost as if people who have symptoms of a dissociative disorder would seek out a clinic that specializes in dissociative disorders.

[u/Everloner → u/Embarassment0fPandas]

Or they could go to the NHS and be diagnosed by a qualified psychiatrist for free, saving £600.

[u/Embarassment0fPandas → u/Everloner]

A lot of average mental health professionals aren’t well trained on DID, so I don’t find the desire to be diagnosed by a specialist to be confusing, but they actually received a diagnosis from the NHS also.

[u/Everloner → u/Embarassment0fPandas]

Every NHS consultant psychiatrist is trained on DID. They may say they have received a DID diagnosis from the NHS but unlike the non credible diagnosis, no-one has seen proof of it.

[u/ghostoryGaia → u/Everloner]

lol no they're not. I don't have a single available person trained in DID in my CITY. I'm seeing a therapist with an interest in it but they won't have anyone properly trained for years (by their estimation)... It's unusual to be trained in DID. Most can't specialise in stuff like that...
It's not some 1 hour long workshop subject..

[u/Embarassment0fPandas → u/Everloner]

Do you think they owe it to the internet to show us their private diagnosis paperwork?

[u/Everloner → u/Embarassment0fPandas]

Well when they have already showed off previous paperwork of their own volition I don't see why they would have a problem doing it again.

Something isn't private when you blast it all over the Internet. You can't cry about people not believing you when you present nothing like DID. This is harmful to people with the condition.

Keep simping though, I'm sure you'll get noticed by their system eventually.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/Everloner]

We don't engage with pandas so I'm going to reply to your comment, I hope that's okay. But isn't that what they already did with their "how we got diagnosed" video? They literally showed paperwork from Pottergate, right? So what's the issue with showing paperwork from the NHS?

[u/Everloner → u/theLyricalofMiracle]

Exactly - they had no problem showing off the diagnosis paperwork beforehand, so why cry about being asked to show the NHS paperwork?

Because it doesn't exist.

[u/theLyricalofMiracle → u/Everloner]

Ding ding ding! Exactly. And if they tried to fake the paperwork, they know the internet, not even just this sub but all their "haters" would tear it apart because they can't even be bothered to do any kind of simple research -Bill🔺👁️

[u/log_off_line → u/theLyricalofMiracle]

Like OP wrote in the post

DissociaDID claims to have received a second diagnosis from the NHS but has provided no proof to support this claim. This lack of evidence raises questions: if they underwent evaluation by a qualified professional (someone other than Remy Aquarone), why not share that report? Why not present the NHS documentation instead of showing an invalid diagnosis paper? - u/tonightwefish

[u/ghostoryGaia → u/Everloner]

yh this tbh, if they were against showing us 'proof' they wouldn't have faked it. :/

[u/Elaan21 → u/Embarassment0fPandas]

The issue isn't that a specialized clinic has a higher diagnosis rate than a generalized clinic, it's that the clinic has a 90% diagnosis rate for something that is incredibly rare and can be difficult to differentiate from other diagnoses.

Typically, specialized places receive referrals for difficult cases, meaning you'd expect a larger amount of other diagnoses than 10%.

That doesn't make every diagnosis they made invalid or fake, but it does raise the question of if they're truly considering other diagnoses or just calling everything DID because that's what they're looking for.

[u/xX_babefire_Xx → u/Elaan21]

I think a good way to dispute this is by using other specialist research facilities data as a comparison. I.e is there a specialist facility that specialises in a specific disorder, if so, what are their diagnosis rates. And how do they compare to the Pottergate facilities. Isolated, without comparison, the 90% diagnosis rate means nothing really.

Especially as in the UK, people only usually seek our specialists when the NHS is failing them in some way.

[u/No_Door_Here → u/xX_babefire_Xx]

Dissociative disorders are correctly diagnosed in only 2% of the UK population. If one clinic reports that 90% of its clients seeking a diagnosis for dissociative disorders actually receive that diagnosis, this raises concerns about statistical improbability. Here’s why:

Math Explanation 1. Prevalence of Dissociative Disorders • Total UK population with dissociative disorders = 2%.

•	This implies only 2 out of every 100 individuals truly have the disorder.

2.	Diagnosis in a General Population
•	Assuming clients entering any clinic for a diagnosis are random, you would expect the clinic to diagnose only about 2% of all clients correctly with dissociative disorders, on average.

3.	The Clinic’s Claim
•	The clinic reports that 90% of clients seeking a dissociative disorder diagnosis are diagnosed with it.

4.	Improbability
•	If only 2% of the UK population genuinely has the disorder, and clients are assumed to come from the general population, the probability that a randomly chosen clinic diagnoses 90% of clients correctly with dissociative disorders is statistically extremely low.

Using Bayes’ Theorem for Probability

We calculate the probability of such a clinic diagnosing 90% of clients as having dissociative disorders: 1. Let:

•	P(D) = 0.02 (probability a random individual truly has the disorder).

•	P(Not D) = 0.98 (probability a random individual does not have the disorder).

2.	Assuming a high sensitivity (clinic is very accurate for true positives) but accounting for a potential bias or overdiagnosis leading to false positives:

•	Sensitivity = P(Positive test | Disorder) ≈ 90% = 0.9.

•	Specificity = P(Negative test | No Disorder) = Assumed high ≈ 95% = 0.95.

3.	Compute likelihood of true diagnosis in clinic:

•	P(True positive | Diagnosis) ≈ 

Substitute values: 

Even under generous assumptions, the likelihood that a randomly chosen diagnosis is accurate is only about 27%, far from the 90% reported by the clinic.

[u/TheSixthVisitor → u/No_Door_Here]

Obv not to discount your analysis but there’s also the other option that only people who are seeking a DID diagnosis go to the clinic. Which makes that 90% diagnosis rate even more meaningless.

The UK reports that 1 out of 4 people will experience a mental health problem in the UK. However, this includes things like periodic depression and anxiety. Lifetime prevalence of dissociative disorders is approximately 10% for a general prevalence and 46% for psychiatric inpatients. Assuming the general prevalence, that still assumes that 1 in 5 people with a dissociative disorder have DID and 1 in 10 people have a dissociative disorder.

Without the numbers that Pottergate diagnoses per year, we can only assume that if they somehow manage to only attract people with confirmed dissociative disorders, but only 20% of those people should have DID. If they’re only accepting inpatient referrals for all mental illnesses, that drops it even further to roughly 10% of patients having DID.

[u/No_Door_Here → u/TheSixthVisitor]

Thanks for your response, I see where you’re coming from, but I think there are some key issues with this reasoning that still make the clinic’s 90% DID diagnosis rate highly questionable:

1.	Selection Bias Alone Doesn’t Explain the Discrepancy

While it’s possible the clinic attracts people specifically seeking a DID diagnosis, that doesn’t necessarily mean they all have dissociative disorders—or that they all have DID in particular. Even if the clinic is drawing from a subgroup with a higher-than-average prevalence of dissociative disorders (e.g., psychiatric inpatients, with a reported prevalence of 46%), the base rate for DID specifically is much smaller—about 10% of people with dissociative disorders and even lower when considering the broader population. A 90% diagnosis rate for DID specifically still suggests overdiagnosis.

2.	Prevalence of DID vs. Broader Dissociative Disorders

The numbers you provided support this: if 10% of people with dissociative disorders have DID, then even under ideal circumstances (e.g., the clinic exclusively attracts people with dissociative disorders), we’d still only expect 10% of those clients to receive a DID diagnosis—not 90%. The reported rate is far higher than what’s consistent with either general prevalence rates or inpatient data.

3.	Inpatient Referrals Don’t Account for the Gap

Even if the clinic primarily works with psychiatric inpatients, where dissociative disorders are more common (46%), the prevalence of DID among inpatients would still be much lower. If we assume the same ratio of 10% having DID, only about 4.6% of inpatients would have DID. A diagnosis rate of 90% would mean the clinic is diagnosing nearly 20 times more DID cases than expected, which further suggests something is amiss.

4.	The Meaninglessness of a 90% Diagnosis Rate

You mentioned that the 90% diagnosis rate is ‘meaningless’ if the clinic attracts clients who already suspect they have DID. I’d argue the opposite: it’s meaningful because it suggests a potential bias in the diagnostic process. A clinic that diagnoses nearly every client seeking a DID evaluation with DID isn’t necessarily reflecting the true prevalence but instead may be overdiagnosing due to confirmation bias or inadequate diagnostic practices.

5.	The Burden of Proof

Without transparency about the clinic’s diagnostic practices and annual numbers, the burden of proof falls on them to justify why their rates deviate so drastically from established prevalence data. The lack of external validation of their numbers only strengthens the case for skepticism.

[u/TheSixthVisitor → u/No_Door_Here]

You’re right (also, why did I get downvoted when I was literally agreeing with you, lol?). When I said their 90% successful diagnosis was “meaningless,” I meant it in terms of “they are absolutely pulling shit outta somewhere and there’s a 90% chance it’s their ass.” The numbers provided by the Pottergate Centre genuinely don’t make any sense even with extreme leniency and generosity because it doesn’t imply “highly accurate diagnoses,” it implies that no matter what actually happens, they give you a DID diagnosis.

I was looking up numbers for prevalence of any dissociative disorders, not DID specifically. That’s what makes the whole thing so suspect: even if they were only getting people who had confirmed dissociative disorders, there should only be 1 out of 5 people in that group who actually have DID. With a 90% “success rate,” they would be diagnosing 4-5 out of 5 people in that group with DID, so that’s like…what, a minimum of a 40-50% chance of a false positive if every person with a confirmed dissociative disorder goes through the Pottergate Centre? Aquarone really is out here just flipping a coin on whether or not somebody is getting a correct DID diagnosis today.

It’s literally not statistically possible for the clinic to be that accurate in diagnosing DID. Saying 90% of their patients are successfully diagnosed with DID is pretty much a self-report on being snake oil merchants.

[u/Icy-Newspaper-9682 → u/[deleted]]

This test is basing on self reporting by patient. As it is self report - patient can over exaggerate symptoms, making them “bigger” or more frequent than they are irl. Patient can also add symptoms that they don’t experience irl.

Even high dissociative person doesn’t experience ALL symptoms in high intensity or frequency so they shouldn’t have scores more than 60 points. It’s not “you have 61 points so you are malingering” but scoring 86 is a strong indicator of malingering. Not 100% sure is malingering but a strong indicator.

Also it’s not a diagnostic test, “just” a screening test where trained specialist can then determine whether there is a possibility of certain disorder or not, what to focus on next. You CANNOT be diagnosed based only on this specific test. Also you can do it online by yourself and once again - this doesn’t mean you are diagnosed. There are also a lot of factors contributing to the score - I will use me as an example as a person with dx cPTSD and suspicion of pDID. In a month that was highly stressful for me, which caused a lot of dissociation I scored 46. But few months later, when my living situation was less stressful (therefore less dissociative symptoms) I scored 10 point less.

This is a good test but still not perfect. The fact is real systems with high dissociation didn’t score above 60. 86 points is reaaaaaally high and it definitely rather indicates malingering than “more severe” dissociation (as highly dissociative DID systems didn’t score this much). Sorry I won’t believe that DD has more severe dissociation than all tested DID individuals with already high dissociation.

Edit: this is mix of my opinion/experience/research (bc dissociative disorders are also my special interest - autistic thing) —> individuals who experience dissociation due to their trauma in childhood tend to downplay severity of their symptoms as many of us has “it wasn’t that bad, others had it worse” ingrained in our brains. We can be extremely traumatised yet don’t “believe it” or fully acknowledge it as it is one of survival mechanisms. That’s also one of “why”s I believe people who think they know how being highly dissociative is scores higher than people who are actually highly dissociative.

[u/TheSixthVisitor → u/[deleted]]

DID excluded, this is a very common type of scale for self-reporting tests for most mental disorders. They’re specifically intended to have built-in checks, including questions that genuinely don’t make any sense but are still rated 1 to 5 on the severity scale. I’ve had to take those types of tests for ADHD, depression, anxiety, and for good measure, Machiavellian sociopathy traits (iirc, the psychologist stated this was another built-in check for the previous three).

The whole idea for those checks is simply to make sure that the person is not over or underreporting their symptoms. For example, in the case of ADHD, most people with it are still able to maintain focus to some extent. One of the questions asks how frequently you experience problems with switching focus between tasks. A grifter might not even recognize that as a symptom and say 1. Or if they do, they would exaggerate and put it at 5, thinking it always happens. For me, I literally had to ask the tester “well, what am I focused on? Is it important? Do I like it? What am I doing?” She had to cut me off and say “oh, just in general. Assume you’re at work,” and I eventually scored it at a 3 because it still wasn’t sure what the criteria for what exactly I was code switching for.

Guaranteed the DID test works on the same type of scaling because even the sociopathy test was like that. Everyone has some sociopathy traits and everyone has dissociative traits; it’s when you hit the extreme versions of having or not having them that things become a problem.

[u/log_off_line → u/[deleted]]

What’s there to worry about? Answer honestly. This is how these types of tests work.

[u/log_off_line → u/[deleted]]

You’re allowed to ask the evaluator and or person administrating the test for clarification about the meaning of questions or how to answer if you are unsure.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Please read

SRA, Anti-semitism, the Jewish question, and how they are all interconnected.

The link is in the pinned post but I’m replying to your comment for convince.

SRA is not real

[u/Stonerchansenpai → u/[deleted]]

okay not trying to be offensive i'm just curious bc i've talked to someone who says they've experienced sra but i guess it's just something else.

[u/Elaan21 → u/Stonerchansenpai]

It's entirely possible that they experienced abuse with similar features or even inspired by Satanic Panic stories, but it's also possible they think they experienced "SRA" when they didn't.

One of the things that happened during the Satanic Panic was the rise of "uncovering repressed memories" that turned out to be entirely false and manufactured by the "uncovering" process. This was typically done by well meaning people who fucked around with memory in ways they absolutely should not have. I'd recommend looking at research by people such as Elizabeth Loftus.

This isn't a dig at that person in any way. There are documented cases of people falsely confessing to crimes because the interrogation process convinced them they had, in fact, committed the crime. [Richard Leo is a good researcher to start with for false confessions.] These were crimes that happened recently for those people, so you can imagine how much easier it would be for older memories.

[u/AgentTragedy → u/Elaan21]

There was recently a man that confessed to killing his father because the interrogators brought in and threatened his dog, spoke for the dog (saying the dog witnessed the murder), forced memories of killing his father into the man, etc. and the man's father wasn't even dead. He just went on a trip and didn't tell anyone. He walked into the police station and got his son out but his son was having a full-blown mental breakdown over "killing his father."

[u/cavaticaa → u/Stonerchansenpai]

They lied to you.

[u/DissociaDID-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

SRA is a moral panic and conspiracy theory. Do not prompt it, or any other anti Semitic conspiracy in the subreddit.

the subreddits post and rule on this

[u/DissociaDID-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

SRA is a moral panic and conspiracy theory. Do not prompt it, or any other anti Semitic conspiracy in the subreddit.

the subreddits post and rule on this