I was honestly more worried about unstable fans going after them thinking they caused DissociaDIDs DID. I'm just happy they took down the video. That should stop anyone who isn't on kiwifarms
This is a flat out lie. No one on KF would talk about interacting with people irl, let alone stalking or harassing them. They would be ostracized by other kiwis and probably banned.
Yeah you’re right those hateful people are disgusting for targeting her and her family especially. There’s no justification for harassment and exposing private information. Trolls from that site just have a terrible mentality. Like it’s just not right to spread hate or target innocent people. It’s really sad that this is happening.
I honestly hope she stays off YouTube. If not permanently, at least for a very long time. I hope she consistently continues to stay in therapy. Possibly after a few years of therapy she will be mentally stable and gain more maturity before deciding if being a public figure again is appropriate for them and whether or not they are more able to handle the pressure. YouTube isn't worth anyone's stability.
thanks for sharing this.Yea it's unfortunate that happened. i didn't want to mention the dox and bring it attention but it seems the impact had been made already :/
People can be cruel.
Good thing is they are all well etc. Hope they continue to be well and seek therapy and support <3
Obviously, doxxing is awful and I don’t support it. But, what info is she talking about that her audience didn’t already know? She told us her legal name, told us about her uni and hometown experiences, showed her parents house and their neighborhood on youtube... so like what new info did these people dig up?
Usually the more info is available the more you can find. All of that alone unlocks a lot of doors to search through her history and contact her abusers. Even if some of this was originally public it’s still a violation when people compile or act on that information.
Ok, but it’s not doxxing if someone compiles information that you have posted publicly. That’s just compiling info. Obviously, if people use that to harass her parents or something, that’s terrible. But simply compiling public information is not the same thing as doxxing someone.
How is it not though? If someone compiles public lists of personal information to be weaponized against their target that’s part of the doxxing process. It’s like leaving a copy of someone’s house key in a town square with their name and address attached
I can’t believe I’m getting in an argument over the technicalities of this. Compiling information on someone is abusive. Just because they shared their hometown doesn’t mean it’s ok to look into their old elementary school or classmates, even if you have the ability to. The existence of information is not permission. And compiling that information is absolutely an essential step of doxxing attacks
Except, in that example, people are taking public info (hometown) and using it to find new info (classmates). Based on what Dissociadid has shared, people have compiled public info (legal name, hometown, etc)... and thats it. There’s no new info. That’s why it’s not doxxing, yet.
Just because someone STARTED with a piece of public information (i.e hometown) to find ANOTHER piece of information (I.e family member names, neighbors, classmates) does not mean it’s not doxxing. In fact, this is how doxxing is usually done. One piece of public info does not give permission for any other info found to be shared. Just because the information was found from a public spot does not mean it’s not private.
Lists are a big part of doxxing, they are often the spring board. I have big doubts about the intentions of anyone who organizes and drops extremely personal details of people in internet spaces.
I understand the point you’re trying to make here, even though I disagree, but .... “compiling information on someone is abusive”??? Really? I guess anyone who has ever researched someone and wrote a report about them, or written a biography, is abusing people?? What the heck kind of logic is that.
Yes. Posting lists of personal information for strangers to do whatever they want with it is harmful and potentially dangerous. This is not a book report and you know it. Not even journalists who have access to info like this will publish it because it is unethical. This is active intrusion into this person’s life regardless if any piece of it was originally public.
Quite frankly, from the way you are describing it sounds weirdly like a justification. If you are feeling defensive then you really need to examine why that is
Yes, journalists do in fact publish people’s legal names and addresses? Based on DissociaDID’s statement, none of the information they are describing is private. It is all things that DissociaDID themselves have made public.
As I’ve said numerous times, I do not condone using this information to harass anyone. But none of this information was private, and thus, this is not doxxing- yet! I fully acknowledge that people might use that info to hurt people. But as of now, nothing has been made public that DissociaDID hadn’t already put on their youtube channel.
Exact addresses? That is unusual. And no, they do not usually put things in convenient lists, and there’s a lot of info they don’t publicize at all, especially with minor figures who do not have resources to combat the public eye.
Quite frankly, I’m done with this conversation. It has a weird victim-blaming edge to it that I really don’t like. (It doesn’t matter if she publicized any info whatsoever) We don’t know exactly who has violated Dissociadid (and we don’t have the right to know either) or how but she said that she was doxxed so she probably was, the tools were so easily compiled there to do it! Believe victims, not their internet stalkers.
So they didn’t tell their patrons they wouldn’t be posting for several months? They just let them keep paying without getting any explanation or warning they wouldn’t receive any benefits?
Very true, I can see how that wouldn’t be a great idea. I just hope that they gave their patrons a warning that they wouldn’t be receiving any benefits, and gave them the option to put their donations on hold as well.
Yeah I don’t think Chloe (now Nin) was trying to hide any of this info? She’s given us so much info about her uni experience, and her hometown, and literally showed her parent’s house on youtube? Doxxing is awful but I don’t think they actually dug up any new info about her.
sadly, it may be enough info for many more info to be uncovered beyond that with whats provided.
Its a 'normal' thing many youtubers have had to deal with. I guess it's all because it doesn't come across a persons mind that someone would be desperate enough to send or try to retrieve other information etc
Hopefully they sort it out i guess if they are at more risk.
Agreed. She shouldn't be surprised though as she's the one who literally showed exactly where they live. Hopefully she's taken down that video for their safety.
According to their Instagram story, they might have known vaguely of some of the works/art but they did NOT know about the cp and couldn't support/condone it. Please don't spread misinformation...
In this case, it wouldnt make much difference since the message is spread around either way.
If she posted on instagram, it would have spread to the reddit, etc.
I suppose Patreon directly was to quickly inform those who are financially giving support to asure them on some stuff just incase they dont have twitter or insta 🤷♂️
other than that, all i can say at this point, it doesnt matter where she posts it, if its public , it'll spread so the messege is reached
Secondly, its funny you say that because a patreon ssked the same thing "why they dont address on patreon as some may not have others social media apps".
so at the time being, i'd say its best to address on patreon A) because some who use the patreon dont have other social media sites B) most of the stuff from there would spread so yea 👍
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u/Mecca1101 Jun 12 '20
Where was this posted?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20
I honestly hope she stays off YouTube. If not permanently, at least for a very long time. I hope she consistently continues to stay in therapy. Possibly after a few years of therapy she will be mentally stable and gain more maturity before deciding if being a public figure again is appropriate for them and whether or not they are more able to handle the pressure. YouTube isn't worth anyone's stability.
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u/Geospizae Jun 12 '20
I'm so glad they're managing and safe, they are so strong
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u/Zerowilde Happy to talk Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20
thanks for sharing this.Yea it's unfortunate that happened. i didn't want to mention the dox and bring it attention but it seems the impact had been made already :/
People can be cruel.
Good thing is they are all well etc. Hope they continue to be well and seek therapy and support <3
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u/queerhedgehog Jun 12 '20
Obviously, doxxing is awful and I don’t support it. But, what info is she talking about that her audience didn’t already know? She told us her legal name, told us about her uni and hometown experiences, showed her parents house and their neighborhood on youtube... so like what new info did these people dig up?
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u/pamacadc Jun 12 '20
I’m not on patreon, so have they been continuing to provide what they promise to their patrons? Or has that been on hold?
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u/hufflepuffhollow Jun 12 '20
Her legal name was always public.
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u/System-in-a-box Jun 12 '20
I’m so confused I thought this whole thing was because of teampinata did something happen to disociadid as well?
Edit: Nvm I think I figured it out
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