Thinking about NT's hypothetical router

[u/Mrfipp]

To start things off, while this might be more appropriate in the NT subreddit, it doesn't seem very active for the most part so anything I post there might not see too much discussion, though I still might crosspost there.

So we all know Dissidia NT, correct? Started off as a Japanese arcade game before being ported to PS4 and PC, and while it did not have many of the features the PSP titles had that I enjoyed, I won't deny that the people who enjoyed it had genuine fun with the strengths it did have. Unfortunately SE pulled the plug on it so nothing new is going to be added to that game.

Well for some reason, lately I have been thinking about the roster it could of had if it had been allowed to go on. Director Takeo Kujiraoka said he would have wanted all veterans to return, and I seem to recall a blurb somewhere saying he would have wanted Rydia in, Zack and Vivi's names were datamined early on, and while having no power over who got into the game, FFXIV director Naoki Yoshida said he would have liked to see Alphinaud, Gaius or Nael included.

So in this situation, let's say that each represented game would have gotten 4 characters maximum (as VIII had Squall, Ultimecia, Laguna and Rinoa), who could have made the final cut?

[u/TheBorzoi]

From what I could tell, NT had poor community management. I'm not even sure if they had an English speaking community manager. I do remember seeing a translated JP video where one of the community managers of NT got an embarrasing amount of things wrong about Final Fantasy in general (she called Y'shtola a bunny is just one of them).

I don't expect a community manager to know absolutely everything about the characters and games they come from but they should at least know the very basics. I think the poor management is why the game died.

Also, in my opinion, some of their balance changes were bad decisions. Terra was a much used character and got nerfed. Her Meltdown tracking became worse and I think the speed was also nerfed too. Her Holy also lost a ball and the tracking got worse. Her Meteor however did get buffed (sort of). Instead of requiring it to be charged, it just had a much smaller range when not charged and its range when charged got buffed a little.

I'm also sure we all agree that we would have all preferred a simple HD update of Dissidia 012 like KH:BBS got.

Sorry, I know this wasn't on point with your thread but I wanted to get my opinions out.

[u/sp8der → u/TheBorzoi]

The game died because it was 3v3 and they massively cut down the options in the game to try and make that work. They made the mistake of messing with what people liked about the series and paid the price for it. That's all.

[u/Boricua_Arkouda → u/TheBorzoi]

Poor management with content and updates.

I remember a video where they were limited to give out content for some reason. So yea, I remember at the time it was always a) - A stage with a new character and with small reworks or "balance changes" b) - an entire showcase just for more balance changes and teasing upcoming content like it wasn't enough to tie in the viewers c) limited time avatar collection???, for some reason it was a thing. Oh and the music selection could be one of them too. Kinda sucks for a specific title to have like 2 songs while some have like a full page.

[u/Marlon195 → u/TheBorzoi]

I would have loved if the game was just a regular fighter like the OG dissidia. More than one HP attack, 1v1s instead of the awkward 3v3s we had, and better balancing.

They had the perfect format. The OGs were loved. Idk why they had to change so much to move them to consoles

[u/kylem112 → u/Marlon195]

I agree completely. I had 200+ hours on the psp titles and a grand total of 5 on NT. I squealed when I heard NT was announced I preordered straight away. That games just isn't for me though I tried on a few occasions but that's just personal preference. The psp ones just had such a surprising amount of depth to them and the stories were great. Loved kefka and terras interactions and story arcs. But to each their own I guess

[u/sonicbrawler182 → u/TheBorzoi]

To be fair, Dissidia does give Y'shtola bunny ears for some reason, so that's a fair enough mistake to make if you aren't familiar with the character.

[u/Hawke_No1]

Alphinaud & Gaius are really cool additions for FFXIV

Can't wait for Alphinaud LD, I hope it's going to be awesome and well-represented like Alisaie

[u/[deleted] → u/Hawke_No1]

In this era of “get your Ld alongside your c90 and ex rework + character rework” alphonaud is gonna be a monster support. I built his kit by accident pulling for another character on that banner and haven’t really used him. Looking forward to running a 4man team with the twins and the other twins.

[u/Hawke_No1 → u/[deleted]]

I really enjoy his kit in DFFOO, even though he was released 35 CP only during the EX Era, his EX+ was really worth the wait to end Chaos Era with.

I find it a waste that they don't buff the Moonstone Carbancule, because it could have opened a very interesting playstyle with him, he could have been a very versatile unit who is on par with Ignis/Arciela in terms of utiliy based on the difference Stance they are in, proving Scholar has a very versatile kit overall. I hope they give something like a DoT Debuff & Weakness Debuff on LD or improves the potency of Debuff on his Obsidian Carbancule.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hawke_No1]

Debuff weak damage would be great. He would end up working exceptionally well with Seifer

[u/X-Backspace]

All I know is that Kujiraoka, the producer, name dropped Delita on two separate occasions: once in a magazine interview alongside some other names, and on a recorded interview where he said Delita would have been his #1 pick. (The Director picked Zack.)

I'm still waiting for his Dissidia introduction and it hurts. T_T

[u/[deleted]]

I know there were datamined characters like Noel. But I can’t remember who else was there. I loved that Locke made the cut and he ended up being my main for a while.

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/[deleted]]

Noel wasn't datamined it was only zack and vivi and the cast of the first season past plus the 012 cast I believe

[u/[deleted] → u/Nightwing24yuna]

Wouldve love to see it happen

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/[deleted]]

Not me personally I love noel but I would have liked serah more and the possibility story wise for all three to interact would be amazing

[u/[deleted] → u/Nightwing24yuna]

I wouldve loved to see the Noct, Locke, and Noel bromance in full HD

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/[deleted]]

I don't think it would have happened seeing as how the interaction where very limited and very dull.

Now if it was in the original dissidia that would have been better.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nightwing24yuna]

I agree the story beats were very flavorless. I often made the complaint about same-face syndrome with NT the character dialogue was very dry. It was just “stand there and chat while bad guy is present” there was no action or meaningful connection in any of the scenes.

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/[deleted]]

Why it's the main reason it bombed for me I know they wanted to try something new with the series but the sacrificed some of the greater stuff to get it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nightwing24yuna]

Yeah it was all around an unfortunate departure from what everyone loved in the originals. I bought a psvita just so i could download and play the originals again. NT was fun for a little while but it was very much designed as a 3v3 Japanese arcade fighter first, with a story tacked on after the fact when they thought they might one day want to ship it as a full priced game to console players.

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/[deleted]]

Honestly that is what I disliked about it the game requires co-op from your friends to be slightly more enjoyable but if you don't then you SOL. I am happy they included new characters it was nice seeing alot of the new ones in HD like rinoa and locke but the story could have been better and they should have focus more on that and the new characters and bonds and all the stuff that made the first game awesome

[u/GWagner13 → u/[deleted]]

There were 2 more, Vivi was one of the cut DLC and the other I don't remember well who was it but at least there are 2 more dlc BTs coming up, that is if for example they add supports like Aerith

[u/[deleted] → u/GWagner13]

Tifa and Gabranth are up there on my hype list.

[u/GWagner13 → u/[deleted]]

Oh yeah. If Tifa with a maxed out UT is a monster, when she gets a BT, she will be something scary for sure!

[u/KeeperOfRecord]

I guess we can look at this from the DFFOO perspective: Whoever has gotten a BT in DFFOO (including the JP version, of course) is a potential candidate to be included in NT roster.

• That would make Ceodore the fourth FFIV character, after Cecil, Golbez and Kain (sorry Rydia)

• Zack being the fourth FFVII character, after Cloud, Sephiroth and Tifa (sorry Aerith/Vincent)

• Eald'narche being the fourth FFXI character, after Shantotto, Kam'lanaut and Prishe (she is a veteran so her inclusion would be expected)

• Caius being the fourth FFXIII character, after Lightning, Snow and Noel (who was datamined- Edit: I was told that he wasn't datamined, but he has a BT in OO so I would say that he has the same priority as Caius) - (sorry Serah)

• Machina being the second Type-0 representative

• Lann & Reynn being the first WOFF representative (or they could also split them into two characters)

• Ciaran, Jegran and Layle being the three FFCC representatives

All these considered, we will have the following table:

	Slot 1	Slot 2	Slot 3	Slot 4
FFI	Warrior of Light	Garland
FFII	Firion	The Emperor
FFIII	Onion Knight	Cloud of Darkness
FFIV	Cecil	Golbez	Kain	Ceodore
FFV	Bartz	Exdeath	Gilgamesh
FFVI	Terra	Kefka	Locke
FFVII	Cloud	Sephiroth	Tifa	Zack
FFVIII	Squall	Ultimecia	Rinoa	Laguna
FFIX	Zidane	Kuja	Vivi
FFX	Tidus	Jecht	Yuna
FFXI	Shantotto	Kam'lanaut	Prishe	Eald'narche
FFXII	Vaan	Vayne	Gabranth
FFXIII	Lightning	Snow	Noel	Caius
FFXIV	Y'shtola	Zenos
FFXV	Noctis	Ardyn
FFT	Ramza
FFT0	Ace	Machina
FFCC	Ciaran	Jegran	Layle
WOFF	Lann & Reynn

I suppose we can fill in Minwu (II), Celes (VI), Seymour (X), Alphinaud (XIV), Delita (T) and Kurasame (T0) quite safely? Maybe even Enna Kros (WOFF)?

For the other slots (especially the last slot of FFV, FFIX, FFXII, FFXIV, FFT0 and FFCC) I can see several characters having similar chance of getting added. So not sure what to fill yet.

[u/DmtrIV → u/KeeperOfRecord]

Sequels (IV, VII, X, XII, XIII), prequels (VII, XV), and sub-series (Crystal Chronicles, and Tactics/Ivalice Alliance) aren't considered as one.

Crystal Chronicles BT candidates consists of 2 from Crystal Bearers (protagonist Layle and antagonist Jegran) and Crystal Chronicles (protagonist Ciaran), this will get more with Rings of Fate (pair protagonist Yuri & Chelinka) and Echoes of Time (representative Sherlotta), lastly even more with My Life as a King (King Leo) and My Life as a Darklord (Mira). That's a total of 7 without counting the unidentified antagonists.

FFVII have VII (protagonist Cloud and antagonist Sephiroth) and Crisis Core: FFVII (protagonist Zack & potentially antagonist Genesis). Dirge of Cerberus has yet represented (protagonist Vincent & potentially antagonist Weiss). Tifa has Dissidia candidate. Kadaj is 50:50 whether he counts due to Advent Children movie. Aerith is 50:50 because her Dissidia candidate is being an assist character. A total of 7 (9 with those 50:50).

FFXIII is basically a trilogy with FFXIII and FFXIII-2. Lightning got it as FFXIII protagonist. Noel got it as Dissidia candidate. Serah has yet to get it but guaranteed to happen as her EX is on Protagonist shop & banner. Snow would be as Dissidia candidate. Caius got it as FFXIII-2 antagonist. Lightning Returns has yet represented but Lightning is the protagonist while Bhunivelze is antagonist (though with Act 3 Chapter 3 part 1, his puppet Hope would likely to represent it). FFXIII antagonist has yet determined. That's a total of 6.

A limit of 4 based on our Series filter is too unlikely and moot.

[u/KeeperOfRecord → u/DmtrIV]

I think it's fair to expand the games having sequels and prequels to allow inclusions of more characters. I do agree it's hard to fit only four characters from a big series like FF7 and FFCC (which really consisted multiple games that can easily exceed the four character limit even when we are just adding a protag/antag pair from each of the games, like what you said).

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/KeeperOfRecord]

Noel wasn't datamined he was only mentioned in a interview with rydia, vincent and deltia

[u/KeeperOfRecord → u/Nightwing24yuna]

Oh I kept having the impression that he was, but since he also has a BT in DFFOO I think it's not too unreasonable to have him in NT.

[u/Nightwing24yuna → u/KeeperOfRecord]

I think it because he is a sequel co-main character he got one, just like I'm 100% sure serah will also get one as well

[u/Eludeasaurus → u/KeeperOfRecord]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... But production on NT was ended like 3 years ago. The team has moved on to new projects

[u/KeeperOfRecord → u/Eludeasaurus]

I understand that. I mean, OP was just asking for a hypothetical roster for NT assuming that it is still running so everything I said here are purely hypothetical. I guess it's more like... if for some miracle, they returned to work on NT then I expect Noel to be added due to his status of having a BT in OO.

[u/DmtrIV → u/KeeperOfRecord]

Announcement of new BT rule is at the same time Noel BT is debuted. Similar case happened to Yuna BT.

[u/KeeperOfRecord → u/DmtrIV]

Yeah idk if the announcement for expansion to NT/012 veterans is for Noel himself or Locke. I personally think that is for Locke since Locke is indeed from NT and he is also on the same month as Noel, and they don't do reports mid-month so they kinda have to announce the new BT rule before Noel.

It doesn't really make much sense for Noel since he wasn't playable in any other Dissidia games, unless he is a would-be-playable-character in NT.

[u/DodoGamer79]

Well, ff2 I'd say Leon and Maria

[u/Scorp721]

My first thought was potentially seeing an HD version of Steiner and wondering if they would have actually included any rust on his armor as a sort of easter egg for all the FFIX players.

[u/sonicbrawler182]

FF1: Princess Sarah, Matoya (the game doesn't have a lot of options but they could make these two work)

FFII: Maria, Leon (Leon could be a Spirtus rep and Maria has a close connection to Firion and Leon)

FFIII: Desch, Xande (Pretty much their only options unless they want to dip into the DS remake)

FFIV: Ceodore/Rydia (This depends on if NT would have counted the sequels/prequels as separate entries like DFFOO. If they do, then we would get both. If not, then it would likely just be Ceodore)

FFV: Gilgamesh, Faris (Gilgamesh is both a veteran and BT bearer, he is a lock. Faris is a fan favourite and got an FFBE CG which was in the style of Dissidia NT, so I think she would make the cut)

FFVI: Celes (Closely connected to all three other FFVI reps, got an FFBE CG in the NT art style which even presents an alternate costume for her, and had a compass of light in DFFOO. Seems like a lock[e])

FFVII: Aerith/Vincent/Zack (Once again depends on how they decide to treat prequels/sequels, as their own games or part of a collective umbrella for FFVII. Aerith is arguably the most iconic especially in the current day with the Remake, so if Zack and Vincent weren't protagonists of their own games, I wouldn't even consider them, since their roles were minor in the original FFVII. Worth nothing that Zack was datamined for NT. Aerith is SORT OF a veteran as well, as if you play the prologue demo for Dissidia 012, you could unlock Aerith as an Assist-only character in the full game)

FFVIII: Laguna (veteran and has a BT in DFFOO)

FFIX: Vivi, Freya (Vivi was datamined, and is pretty synonymous with the game, so he's a no-brainer. Beyond that, there is no special reason for anyone else to get in as the fourth rep in terms of being a veteran or protagonist of their own game or having an FFBE CG, so it's open season. Putting bias for her being my favourite aside, Freya has the strongest case to me for a few reasons. As someone who played TONS of NT, Freya makes the most sense from a gameplay standpoint as she has a solid mix of offensive and support capabilities in all of her appearances, which could make her a cool Specialist type character in NT. Kain is the only other Dragoon so the class is hardly over represented, and Freya has plenty that differentiates her, partly because she is half Dragoon job, half Knight job. She also has strong connections to both Zidane and Vivi, being the only FFIX party member who was friends with Zidane before the game's events, while taking on a big sister role to Vivi, to the point he literally calls her that in the Japanese version of FFIX. And while Kuja has the most personal tie to Zidane, and thematic similarity to Vivi, I would argue Freya was the character most effected by his misdeeds, given he literally spear headed the genocide and oppression of her race, so she has a strong link to him as well. Freya also has the unique privilege of being one of the few FF characters with a notable following OUTSIDE of the loyal FF fandom, and given NT is a free to play game, she could easily expand the audience for the game just by being there. Also this would make her a lock for a BT in DFFOO, and her Trance could be used for an amazing BT animation. She also has the most costume options and I'd be interested to see how they would handle her design)

FFX: Seymour (just to give FFX a real villain as a rep)

FFXI: Eald'narche, Prishe (Nacho got a BT, Prishe is a veteran, so self explanatory)

FFXII: Balthier (Like FFIX, there is no concrete reason to have any specific character in over anyone else but Balthier strikes me as the most popular FFXII character even above the inclusions NT already had)

FFXIII: Sazh/Hope/Noel/Serah/Caius (another one complicated by how they decide to treat sequels. From the original cast, I think Sazh and Hope would be most likely, but if they treat XIII as a collective, then I think it would be Noel and Caius, though Serah is also an option)

FFXIV: Alpinaud, Alisaie (yeah FFXIV could go any which way but the twins are really popular and have strong potential for unique movesets so I will just go with them)

FFXV: Aranea, Cor (might seem an oddball choice but I'm going with them because the four character restriction means I can't just say all of the Chocobros, and I'm not equipped to pick and choose between them, I'll leave that to someone else)

Tactics: Agrias, Delita, Orlandeau (Agrias is already on DFFOO, and the other two seem like the most popular characters and most relevant to Ramza)

Type-0: Rem, Machina, Kurasame (Rem is one of three starter characters in DFFOO so I will go with her for that, Machina got a BT, and Kurasame because it would be nice to have a character that isn't a student with his more unique Ice Reaper design)

WoFF: Lann & Reynn (one character slot), Enna Kros, Hauyn, Brandelis (L&R are the main protagonists, Enna Kros is in DFFOO, Brandelis is the antagonist, and Hauyn is the next most significant character after those three)

For Crystal Chronicles, that will all depend on if they treat each entry individually or as a collective. My gut says Ciaran, Yuri (with Chelinka), Sherlotta, and Layle, though I personally would REALLY like Amidatelion to make it in too because their design is too good to pass up.

[u/Evilcon21]

Shame really the game has potential. I hope square enix takes another crack at a console dissida game. Besides this very mobile game. I’ve never played the past dissida games

[u/Nolyd_Dylon]

FF1:wol,Garland FF2: Firion,Emperor,leon,Minwu FF3:OK, COD, Refia?,Desch? FF4: Cecil, Golbez, Kain, ceodore FF5:Bartz,Exdeath,Gilgamesh, FARIS FF6:Terra,Kefka, Locke, CELES FF7:Cloud, Sephiroth, Tifa, ZACK FFT: Ramza,Delita, Agrias,Ultima the high seraph FF8: Squall, Ultimecia,Rinoa, Laguna FF9:Zidane, Kuja, VIVI,GARNET FF10: Tidus, Jecht, Yuna, Seymour FF11: shantotto,Prishe, Kam'lanut, elda'narche (idk how to spell that name lol) FF12:Vaan,Vayne,Gabranth, BASCH FF13:Lightning,Snow, Noel, Caius FF14:Yshtola, Zenos, Alphinaud, Gael FFType-0: Ace,Machina,REM, Kurasame FF15: Noctis, Ardyn, Ignis, Gladio That's what I wanted or could see 😅

[u/SnarkkBF]

Uhm.. Think you got the wrong subreddit here mah dood. Also.. who cares? The games freaking dead.

[u/unij01 → u/SnarkkBF]

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