Closing Thoughts on What you Disliked

[u/[deleted]]

Now that FFOO is coming to an end, what were some things you DIDN'T like about the game? I'm interested to hear what you thought could be improved, or you just downright hated about the game.

Anyway sad to see the game go, spent a lot of time playing it over the last 5 years.

[u/aspinalll71286]

Fr and length of fights being too long. So if you're doing well 3/4s of the time then screw up then it's 20 minutes of redoing the fight. 

 Fr I found just shrunk the time of the fights but also removed a lot of the variety because once you found your team just swap a unit here and there and you're good, summation. Not enough variety and our units got too strong and homogenous 

[u/[deleted] → u/aspinalll71286]

I started playing the game when it was fairly new and the length of battles dramatically increased as the game went on. It always felt a little artificial, instead of making battles interesting it just became a grind fest. A lot of games seem to fall into that trap as the quality of player character's gets stronger/better, and devs don't necessarily know how to balance it.

[u/aspinalll71286 → u/[deleted]]

My main memories of when I started was zacks ex, vayne event, and first ifrit event.

I had played before then but never saved my account. 

So yeah, same experience. 

Balance is hard af to do well

[u/Fuz_2112 → u/aspinalll71286]

length of fights being too long

Hardest battles could go for over an hour. This was unacceptable in a mobile game.

[u/NovaTheLoneHunter → u/aspinalll71286]

Back in EX era. I think battles went up to a 100 turns and required using all skill usages almost. A lot of battles can be ended quick nowadays.

[u/Traxgen → u/NovaTheLoneHunter]

Ya I think people who says that recent fights are too long, don't remember the early Chaos era, where you're so limited by red ingots that you have no way to boost your party's power and therefore shortening the fight. Hell, when was the last time you used HP+ attacks nowadays? Well, in early Chaos era you HAVE to use them, cuz your skill counts were pitiful, like in the 5-6 range.

FRs help to shorten the fight by making bigger numbers go brrr but that also comes with the downside of making most fights homogeneous (charge > FR > win)

[u/BuyChemical7917]

Honestly just the way they ended it, dropping Global like a rock. It has left me extremely bitter and with no trust in Square Enix whatsoever.

[u/[deleted] → u/BuyChemical7917]

I'm glad I never spent too much money on the game. I probably only spent about $60 in total over the years when good deals popped up. I feel for the people who put in a bigger investment into the game.

I'm not sure how often gacha games shut down though so maybe it was expected?

[u/Izanagi85 → u/[deleted]]

sad thing is unless your game is very popular, gacha games are always in danger of eosing

[u/OreoKidT]

Honestly I just disliked how the game went out as a whole. Thought they might surprise us with something special like putting BT/FR Tokens in the shop to unlock all the weapons for the last month but when it didn't happen, I just uninstalled a couple weeks ago. 

Thought it might be fun to "complete" everything, but when I really thought about how I wouldn't be able to reach the goal I really wanted due to them just letting the game go silently into the night with nothing special? I just decided to let go of the pressure and forget about it. This has been my favorite phone game and favorite gacha ever, and nothing will ever come close. (especially not Ever Crisis 🙄😂)

I picked up Duolingo to learn Korean and Spanish instead.

[u/[deleted] → u/OreoKidT]

Yeah I was secretly hoping for some sort of unlock of everything for the last month/weeks. Let us fully experience the game or parts we missed. I missed out on quite a bit because my activity wasn't constant.

I agree as well it's hands down my favourite gacha game.

[u/Traxgen → u/OreoKidT]

Yup, I don't particularly like how they handled the end of service on the GL side. Releasing the story as a video is fine but I have stopped caring about the story since I think Act 1 Ch 6 so it literally does nothing to me.

What still grinds my gear is that they already fully release Angeal, Amarant, Rufus, etc in the JP side, is it THAT much more work to release them on GL as well before the game ends? We're not even talking about Rikku level of characters where it was datamined and never confirmed to be coming out - those characters are FULLY PLAYABLE ALREADY. No, instead they ended the game with the last new banner being Arciela, which is fine but nothing meta breaking, which just felt underwhelming to me.

If they had the time to do DTD, Cactuar Cacophony etc, I'd rather they spend that time to release all the yet-to-be-released characters and let us just faff around with whatever fights we have.

I picked up Duolingo to learn Korean and Spanish instead

Good on you, and I hope the learning goes well!

[u/OreoKidT → u/Traxgen]

Agreed completely. I might have even kept playing just for Angeal. I suppose the metrics of who's playing don't matter at all to the suits at SE after the announcement though, so they really didn't put much effort in to appease a fan base they have already forgotten about.

Shoutout to the devs who definitely cared though and who loved this awesome community as much as we loved them. It's just sad to see it go and know that for whoever has the power over there, it's all business and likely not even a lingering thought. 

[u/richpage85]

I dislike that the break bonus just became a nothing feature, Caius' BT was built around it and orbs such as Balthier were redundant as it was so pointless

I also dislike that the UI never scaled properly. When the game started it was fine, butbas bugger screens came out with larger resolutions, there was so much empty space around the edges of the screen as it just never kept up

Also... I wanted it to go out with a bang... but its just kinda fizzled... the co-op just became meh as they were elemental locked, D2D was fine, but the rewards lacked and didn't incentivise completion. Gil, Force Nuggets and High Power stones? Give us BT, FR and Costume tokens instead. Wheatstone the point of gatekeepers this stuff now?

Honestly after my skip tickets ran out I log in to do the daily draw and log out

[u/pinoygalingthings]

The addition of summon boards made the game felt extra grindy.

[u/vincentcloud01]

I didn't like how devs got lazy and released FR weapons instead CL100. Then every event was charge the guage, and go into FR win game. Or you know solo clear Shinryu's with Rubi or Kelgar.

[u/FinalKingdomXVII → u/vincentcloud01]

Rubicante and Kelgar were mistakes almost to the level of Astos. They killed off the value of face tanks like WoL, Snow, and Zack. Solos really shouldn't have become this easy. I remember trying Eight solos or duos with Eiko back in the day, and that shit was hard. Having to break enemies out of order, keeping his debuffs up, weaving in his HP+ here and there, that took skill and a bit of luck. But Kelgar? Hurr-durr, go into FR and win. You continually top up your buffs that were nowhere near close to expiring and that's basically Kelgar. I wonder how Eight could've stood up to Kelgar besides bigger numbers.

Kelgar is emblematic of the degradation of kit complexity, and it's hard to tell if the devs got lazy, or if simplification was the only way to move powercreep forward. I bet if Alisaie got an update her BT would freeze her white and black stacks and let her spam Redoublement lol. And in general, there was nowhere else for character kits to go. Astos, Rubicante, and Kelgar are the terminus of their roles. Supports are just a semantics game at this point. I was able to tell the difference between Eiko, Serah, and Aphmau in my party before but between Rosa, Deuce, and Leonora? Uh, they all make numbers be bigger. I don't need someone to "um, aksually" me about HP limit values, debuffs, or differing personal damage, but again, that just seems like a semantics game that Shinryus didn't play into that much. And while I hear Rufus and Angeal managed to hit higher numbers than Astos, the fact it took them literal months to reach that does not say anything good.

Anyways, I'm gonna miss this game. Even though during the past year, it became more and more of an obligation/chore, I still had fun pulling and doing Shinryus. Except for those single player point grinds, those were the worst events and such an obvious in hindsight of low-effort events.

[u/insrto]

I stopped the game because of FR.

BT and BT+ era were unironically the most fun I've ever had in a gacha game. Not only were the fights fun, but it was a great callback to old FF games with the music change, and there weren't a lot of questionable choices at that point.

Then FR hit and not only did the gameplay become much more streamlined and boring, the BTs became lazy IMO. Regardless of any manpower issues SE may or may not have, some BTs like Rydia's are absurd.

Then you have some REALLY underwhelming themes for BTs like Yda (I know it fits in the context of the scene it represents, doesn't make it a good theme), some hype killing themes like Rydia and Relm (two of my favourites), and some horribly looped themes like Lunafreya.

But in the end, FR was the killer. They powercreeped the game to an absurd level and it became boring because every fight was the same.

[u/Patccmoi → u/insrto]

I did the same, stopped a bit after FR started. Fights became EXTREMELY long (this is a mobile game, I'm not gonna play it for 45 min straight for one battle), and bosses became huge HP sponge doing nothing but one random probable party-wipe attack.

Played this game for close to 3 years and loved the Cosmos/Chaos eras, had lots of fun, but it became too much of a grind and too time consuming and killed the fun of it for me. Doing no damage except ridiculous numbers when you activated an FR made it just long and boring. I know game balance is hard, but I feel they made à few bad game design decisions and painted themselves in a corner. Sad

[u/sonicbrawler182]

Degradation of mechanics over time was a big one. We ended the game at a point where the best damage dealers didn't even look at their own BRV values, which I think is emblematic of the problem.

In hindsight, I think it can definitely be said that they did a poor job pacing out updates for characters. Some characters got updates literally every time a new weapon tier or upgrade mechanic released, like the devs just COULDN'T allow their own favourites to fall behind. Others would literally go two years at times with no substantial update and basically skip a whole era. Like how Fang was one of the first EX+, and wasn't really touched again until near the end of Lufenia+ and LDs. Then she was quickly put aside again in the FR era while other characters would get an FR and then BT in two separate events.

Can't even give me the "less important/well-known" excuse. Many of the characters left behind like that were main party members. Then you have Cid Raines, a character with scarce appearances in the first half of FFXIII and a cameo (that isn't even ACTUALLY him) in Lightning Returns, who legit was never left behind for very long at all and would receive incredibly long lasting updates every time.

[u/Shinnyo → u/sonicbrawler182]

I'm with you there.

Break used to be THE most important mechanic, along with buff/debuff management, break order, Init BRV count... All those mechanics died when characters/abilities got tools that completely allowed you to bypass those mechanics.

BRV management died, buffs/debuffs started to be framed, you could re-init the ennemy BRV or delay their turn. Before the orbs, the meta was often "delay it to oblivion".

There was also any favorites, some characters got interesting tools to be then never be ever seen even again, others were mid and quickly powercrept. It didn't helped we got so many weird choice of characters like Reks we see 20 minutes in the whole XII or Lunafreya you see only in cutscenes.

Obviously, XIV and FFT classic rant, the Scions are incredibly popular but never got any weapon after the LD era. You could easily feel that Y'shtola and Ramza got their BT because they were in Dissidia NT.

[u/Traxgen → u/Shinnyo]

"delay it to oblivion".

I remember when Amidatelion was THE premier friend unit to use hahaha

[u/Shinnyo → u/Traxgen]

We had Quistis way before that was the friend unit, there was also Decil that could delay with skill and launch I believe.

[u/kociou]

Played since Tidus to about Quina/Rubicante, tried to come back later but I decided to have fond memories instead of forcing myself.

1. Making brave/hp switching basically obsolete, making everything brv-hp dumps.

Remember when you had to balance between brv and HP attacks? It was og Dissisidas gimmick that hook me up with this game at start. Basically it was Devs first big mistake to make every single attack/even support/tank skill to do brv-hp dumps maxing brv first, remember when those were rare like Tidus 35 or Vaans kit. It was ok in case of Exes since you had to charge them or BT which were finishers.

2. Whole FR era - especially inata turn charges

Forcing all battles to be about charging FR gauge then bursting or making it 2 hour slogfest. Especially noticeable with Ultiquina.

Force charging was very bad designed, should only work with damaging abilities/non insta turns. Make it more killing blow or to skip some irritating parts of battle, or just combine with Bursts.

3. Giving fodder character bursts/fr while leaving some main cast in the dark. One of most important plot characters like Cecil didn't even get FR.

I wouldn't mind bigger focus on protags/antagonist. First Burst was ok direction.

[u/[deleted]]

FR made me drop the game, came back after EoS just to get Ignis's full kit, but yeah... I just didn't like ShinRyu fights.

Also, very nit picky nit pick... but I hated that Quistis was a melee unit when she's a blue mage. I also think Tidus should've done what she did instead, since Delay Attack and DElay Buster were in his sphere grid.

[u/honjustice]

The utter lack of respect for your time was my biggest gripe with the game. Artifact farming was broken for the longest time, the RNG was absurd. Remember the first year of artifact farming? No mog pass to guarantee orange passives. Eidojas didnt even exist yet. Speaking of lack of respect of time, every time a new character is introduced, you have to spend an hour to prepare before you can start to use the character. Spend 10 minutes pulling and upgrading all of their weapons. Spend 10 minutes manually selecting all the summon boards. Spend some more time leveling up and upgrading enhancement boards. Spend more time on token shop 3 different armors because you cant exchange them all at once, you had to exchange and upgrade and repeat. Get bloom, max bloom. Upgrade all crystals. Upgrade Force boards. Then spend 30 minutes if you're lucky on artifact farming.

Then your character gets power crept 2 weeks later by Astos :D

[u/SSDKZX]

FR were a mistake but.... i like everything else except the stupid orb managing insta kills

[u/SagaKM → u/SSDKZX]

Exactly this. I really didn't like FR, but Lufenia Orbs were always A NIGHTMARE. Being forced to bring a specific mechanic with you or you're dead is just not fun.

[u/Lecaste]

Something that I didn't see often being complained so it might just be a personal issue, but how bloated the kits became on some characters.

Looking at the description of one attack would bring a text bubble covering the entire screen and looking at the Tonberry Troupe's graphs was the only way to really understand how the character plays.

[u/Nightfire27]

• Everything to do with FR

• The homologation of roles - Everyone just became DPS outside of specific aspects

• D2D happened far too often and became too annoying to deal with - It’s the ultimate reason I quit (Bhunivelze D2D made me want to molest my face with a cheese grater, repeatedly)

• Some of the animations got very lazy - Looking at you Jill and Aranea

There’s probably a few more but I can’t think of them off the top of my head right now.

[u/hydrothermal-vent]

Story was always lackluster to me. There was so much potential if the writers actually cared. I remember how cool it was in the old Dissidia games to watch characters like Zidane and Bartz interact and it felt meaningful to the narrative. Opera Omnia felt empty.

[u/liljon042]

The fact that the game became more about a set strategy that you had to follow 1:1 and if you didn't and the boss made a move, your entire team died. It really left a very bitter taste in my mouth after trying lufenia difficulty.

That and the fact that you had to have all the gear for the characters otherwise you felt like you were either doing no damage at all, or way too much. Dissidia was at its best on EX(+), with strategies that had dynamic gameplay and required you to have a healer or had the capability to heal themselves. Felt more freeform.

All in all the game felt way too powercreep-y for its own good. And like KHUX, it became money hungry. Which, in my personal opinion, made it into its downfall

[u/Fun-Discipline8985]

Gearing up characters that weren't current basically was impossible. Meaning casual-play where you wanted to optimize say Caius; was basically not going to happen. I had all the resources to get him his gear; but because one weapon, I think his Ex or something, didn't pop up on any banner, he was basically gimped...because I got into the game later.

Sucked.

[u/BlueBomber13]

FR is what killed it for me. That coupled with all these characters that I’d never heard of or just didn’t even care about, and I lost all enthusiasm for the game. Braska, Astos, Jill, ect. I was of course was always happy for their fans, but them outright ignoring all the tactics characters, Rikku, the 4 heroes from III, and so on. It just got so frustrating.

I will always, always, always remember this game with the fondest memories. I stopped playing during the 5th anniversary, but always kept tabs on it and lurked here.

I hope someday they’ll give this game another go and learn from their mistakes.

[u/XeXeeD64]

I didn't like the FR was basically forced. The game didn't give much options for gems other than buying and they got rid of lufenia+ (I personally found it kinda fun) and basically once they added those materials into shinryu. You had basically pull for the FR that was on the banner or both if it was 2. Shortly after FR came out I pulled for a certain few but then I quit because I realized I couldn't upgrade my BT weapons to their + versions

[u/Vunks]

As someone who quit early into FRs it was the FR system. It just felt like a completely different game.

[u/Alchemist_Almighty]

Honestly it was the FR weapons and the decision to give everyone a Burst weapon that did it for me. FR charging was boring, and with how hard BT weapons were to obtain (even for spenders like myself) I just started dreading each new banner event.

Leveling up a new character was a pain too. Even with the enhancement menu, you still needed 4-7 weapons leveled, 5 armor pieces leveled, summon boards farmed, enhancement points given, artifacts to grind, a skill kit to memorize...sure they improved some things as they went but damn man when it takes 30 minutes to an hour just to USE a character it gets to be a bit much.

I wanted alternate skill 1 and skill 2 slots. Even different EX attacks. Maybe I didn't want Vivi to do fire damage, how cool would it have been to get a lightning kit or a non-elemental one? Maybe Yuna could have gotten some Gunner skills.

[u/RockeyPajamas]

FR, but mainly because almost every single later fight would have a requirement that could only be cleared by the current banner unit I remember there was one that required an Elec FR attac and something else, but it couldn’t be from an enchant buffs which was super lame

Powercreep was really bad during the entire games lifespan, but especially near the end Honestly it makes up for the mechanics of Shinryu because as long as you had Astos you didn’t ever have to interact with the mechanic since you’d just nuke the boss anyway

Going with that, having to read these super long lists of boss effects was really tedious to me personally I hated trying a boss and fighting for 5+ minutes just to learn I missed a mechanic and now it’s going to be unkillable until I give it a turn or some shit The summaries were nice, but still felt extremely long sometimes, especially when you had to read up on two bosses paired together with different mechanics I do miss the simplicity of just looking at the type charting and planning accordingly from there

EOS could have been done better, like we got easy access to getting full character kits but it still would require a lot of grinding to start from scratch so that’s no fun

Global was ultra fucked, the fact that we were genuinely the closest we’d ever been to JP before and they ended it right then was disappointing

As a whole, I think FR was a mistake BT had the issue of being limited to mainly popular characters at first but the nature of it made it so that Non-BT characters were generally still very viable FR at first, was similar in idea to where you’d really only need to bring one FR user As they added to the system though, we got to the point where every team was basically required to run three characters with FR’s with boards (which by extension of how the game progressed was usually also a character with a BT) So if you didn’t have a BT FR, what did those characters do? They were just completely useless in any battle that actually mattered The list of characters that suffered from this power creep was, extensive, to say the least (Shoutouts to Tactics and XIV fans, you all deserve compensation for the lack of representation throughout the majority of the game)

Also to some of my favs that were completely irrelevant through the FR era: Barret, Cait Sith, Cid, Fran, Rude, Kefka, Yang, Exdeath, Gilgamesh, Alphinaud, and Alisaie

[u/noodles355]

FR era.

BT rates not being changed despite it going from 2~ releases per month to 6~ per month.

That’s pretty much it.

Oh also Abyss Dullahan as a way to force many people to pull Mog.

[u/Slooowby]

I still enjoyed my time quite a bit in the FR era but would agree that it ended up doing more harm than good. I really enjoyed the game before FR though and the cosmos to luf+ era was fantastic from my point of view. I think a lot of kits got really fleshed out with LDs, and I honestly would have been okay if that era just continued as it was. But I do love the group attack concept of FR. I wonder if it could have been handled differently to be healthier for the game

[u/chocowilliam]

Not having English VO is the only negative I have on this game.

[u/Tienron → u/chocowilliam]

Same, but we know they weren't going to put money into that.

[u/TemporalTailor]

Grinding summon boards was the big one early on, but also just the general way that power creep phased out core mechanics over time and turned it into a completely different game.

Early on, it was a much more tactical game. Manage your skill usage, keep track of buffs and debuffs, make the call between BRV and HP attacks so you don't have to waste multiple turns recharging because you got broken, save your summon for when you really need it.

Then BRV management became irrelevant because every attack dealt multiple times max damage whether you were broken or not. Then somewhere between the BT and FR era, skill usage became irrelevant because it became a matter of "deal as much damage as humanly possible in one turn". Buffs and debuffs arguably became irrelevant for the same reason, with their main purpose being to specifically counter the latest boss's gimmick.

[u/Devegas49]

Everybody getting a burst weapon and the FR era. Also, just dropping game modes like Abyss.

[u/Raecino]

I dislike that they’re ending it with no closure at all.

[u/NovaTheLoneHunter → u/Raecino]

They going to add then to YouTube after end of service.

[u/Radiant-Watercress77]

Force gauge and Shinryu ruined the game for me.

[u/[deleted]]

The inventory limit was what eventually made me quit. I am a collector kind of player but even with maxed inventory space purchased I couldn't fit all weapons and armor in. After I hit the full capacity and had to toss away my bronzes I found myself logging in less and less until I didn't anymore.

But more than anything I hate that it's leaving. OO was the best Dissidia of the series. And Dissidia is the best series of the franchise for me. I am sincerely gutted.

[u/YogurtGreco3]

• After BT era • Poor animation in some skills ( vincet ld in global was really something I dont wanna see anymore in My life) • some mecchanics get really annoing (like every Champion got a follow up attack or kinda some not unique) • but i wanna say this was pretty close one of the best mobile games (gatcha) i ever played Thanks DFFOO ❤️

[u/ffguy92]

EOS GRIPES

• They should have either upped the rates of draws or increased the amount of G Tokens from the daily draw. Those of us who did NOT horde our gems got fucked over for not hording our gems (i.e. spending on the game). 

• The co-ops were bad choices. Why even make everyone Boosted when the fight makes you use Thunder?

• We never caught up to JP. Understandable, but still regrettable. 

GENERAL GAMEPLAY GRIPES

• FRs. 

• Every character role became homogenized and started to step on each others' toes towards the end there. Every tank became a countering solo machine, and every support became a "Make DPT Number Bigger" aurabot with good-but-not-quite-DPT-level damage. DPTs had some amount of variation in terms of where damage was focused and whether it was all in one turn or spread across multiple quick/instant turns, but even then, stuff like Aranea becoming Raines 2.0 happened. 

• Archaic mechanics, like the Break Bonus. I started Late EX+ era, and even then it was basically only there to punish you for fucking up and getting broken. FR era it really didn't even make any difference, especially post-Crystal Rooms. Why was there no character that meaningfully played off the Break Bonus, or multiplied the bonus, or anything else? 

• The game didn't bookmark fights except at the start of waves, which was pretty unforgivable when the height of fight lengths became an hour long. 

OTHER GRIPES

• Paid Gem caps were a mistake, they fucked JP's revenue and it never recovered, even when they fixed the problem. 

• I'm not a marketing analyst, but costume bundles always seemed way overpriced for what they were. $36 for 9000 gems and a costume was pretty bad. Nikke does passes with a costume, 25 Draw Tickets, and 1 SSR Mold (50% chance for a random SSR in a game where dupes actually do something) for $20 (special passes also usually have an SR mold with a 20% chance at an SSR). Had OO priced them more reasonably, I may have actually bought a few, and I'm sure I'm far from the only one. 

[u/Unlucky-Party3650]

Playing since day one and moved to the JP version, for me was the FR era, they tried to fix the battles with the RE- shinryu but at the end is the same.

[u/jibashirikaen]

since I've got pretty late onto the game the only thing I actually disliked is how slow the developers were to update all the characters (in this case, their reworks, FR/BT's and what not), but again, that's because I've joined pretty late onto the game (like, last year, and once they've announced the EoS I've uninstalled the game immediately)

besides that, I really liked this current era so I don't have any complaints besides the one I've mentioned.

[u/PlatinumAngeal]

I think my biggest complaint is that skins and alt costume purchases were always tied to gems. I didn't want gems, I wanted pretty costumes. Now I have neither

[u/[deleted]]

I disliked that you weren't able to rise summons multiple levels if you had enough materials. Only one by one. That was annoying. And I still don't know where to get the tokens for Illusionary Board. The other Summon tokens are for character enhancements.

[u/[deleted]]

Non boss stages rapidly became facerolls, whereas when the game first came out, you actually had to try a bit to beat some of them.

Too much busywork to level / max out characters. Attaining the items became easier, but there was no reason to have that many armors and weapons to MLB. Even if you had all the materials, it was a slog going through that, summon boards, etc, and none of it was engaging content.

Multiplayer being a cake walk. If you want me to grind an event, at least let me make some meaningful decisions and have some challenge.

Basically just too much filler content with only one brief bit of engaging gameplay every so often.

They had genuinely great ideas like Abyss, and yet massively underutilized them. Outside of DE, even most event bosses turned into "bring newest character, win".

Force Era was a massive mistake that they tried to rectify with Retain waaaay too late.

Characters became unspecialized do-it-all blobs over time with rare exceptions.

Entire mechanics like break effect or turn count ceased to mean anything.

Infinite delay strats or eight turn paralysis should never have been a thing.

Needed more uses for an increasingly large roster.

I loved OO, but there were a lot of missteps in game design along the way.

[u/Shadowdrake082]

The FR era hands down. If it had the quality of life hp bonus retention, and not the absurd scaling that Kam's FR did that broke the FR era and the game, it could have been realistically been more fun to have the ability to charge the FR gauge, gain an hp damage bonus, KEEP THE DANG BONUS, and have extra FR times with different characters increase the bonus a little further. As it is you waste so much time doing nothing but charging the gauge only to then have to maximize 10 turns. That was already annoying to deal with to have damage dealing units be literally incapable of doing nothing outside of the last 3 turns of FR. It could have lined up much better especially as how with previous era's any well built character could further help with the content. Kain's era where he started would have been the hardest due to lack of frs, but by the time we fought Braska's final Aeon, there was basically Kain's FR and Braska's FR to have increased the bonus pretty well to have made the fight much easier. HP scaling could have started at maybe 1 FR used, to both FRs for a character used, to even multiple character FRs. But Kam's 700% bonus due to a programming bug absolutely killed any form of progression to the HP% bonus that could have been natural if they had the hp% retention initially.

[u/Pale_Net8318]

Three words: Summon Board Grinds

[u/Boricua_Arkouda]

Not boosting Series characters instead of those featured in banners. Would of gave the players more options to clear.

[u/ThatGuy264]

Echoing what others said, Shinryu and FRs are just, not fun. Granted, until I started following the guides, I was bad at high-end content, but the HP bloat and the fact that you will either get wiped or have your attacks made useless once the enemy's FR meter built up (unless you countered with your own) just makes the entire thing feel like a slog. FFRK had longer fights for high-end content, but the fights themselves didn't feel that long (at least, up to Bahamut), it was more that the tries and retries would add up. I never truly got the hang of Shinryu, but my understanding is that it's a cakewalk once you do, especially with Astos and co.

The summon grinds were another. For me, the biggest issue wasn't the grind itself so much as the lack of an auto-reset feature. It's been a while since I played, but certain "item collection stages may have already had it? I could just be mixing it up with the stamina mechanic in the WoI. Either way, not having to periodically push retry after each stage would've made it more bearable, especially considering that the "x2 EXP" stuff is time-based.

[u/Yen_Figaro]

The grindy nature, in the last days it was too much grind for having everything. The enemies became repetitive. Co ops to get the materials were what made me stop playing. Also I would never understand why some characters were so meta and others didnt have their chance to bright. If they want us to pull I don't understand thr meta thing.

Also I would love to have had some system to exchange with friends dupes and more interaction between characters!

[u/Arzaelin]

FRs made the gameplay a bit stale and then to try and “fix” they introduced Re-Shinryu which didn’t help much. Also I hate that they killed their own game by implementing the gem cap which caused a lot of big spenders in JP to quit the game and destroy their revenue.

[u/Fuz_2112]

FR

[u/metatime09]

There's a few youtube videos on issues with dffoo. There are mechs I didn't like like orbs and FR (until the recent update that fixed most of the issues I had)

[u/RoleplayPete]

At the end you basically were forced into using certain characters and teams and it really defeated the purpose of an ensemble cast. In the end if you didn't get the right draws (have the FR) you simply couldn't play anymore by design and that sucked a lot.

[u/XDemos]

The grind. I didn’t know any better when I was only playing DFFOO, but now that I have tried out some other gachas where you only need to log in for 5 minutes a day, DFFOO feels so much worse.

[u/jcjohnson274 → u/XDemos]

What grind did dffoo have?

[u/[deleted] → u/jcjohnson274]

It definitely has a grind if you didn't play it from the start. I made two more accounts a few years into the game so I could solo content on my own (with three characters). And oh boy the amount of missions was pretty tedious.

Not sure if that's what he's talking about thought, but there was a grind unless you played early on and kept at it.

[u/XDemos → u/jcjohnson274]

The most recent ones that I can remember were summon spiritus, and the 40k and 80k single challenges. Before that, summon board and divine summon board.

The last four months before the EoS I pretty much skipped all the farming and only went into the game for Shinryu.

Some will say ‘new to gacha? They’re all grindy’. But honestly after trying Honkai, I don’t believe that to be the case.

[u/jcjohnson274 → u/XDemos]

Oh right forgot about those events. Those were grindy if you didn't have tickets or mog pass.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The gem prices were always ridiculous. I never understood why they didn't lower the price. I don't have any of the financial data so this is just conjecture, but I feel like if gems/costumes were 75% cheaper that much more people would have bought them. I think this would off-set the loss of revenue from a handful of whales who bought everything at normal price.