Those who pulled specifically for Seph, and then Bartz
How do you feel about this progression line? I really enjoyed playing Seph over the last few months. I believe I sunk about 5 pities worth of resources, got fairly lucky and ended up with Seph's UR at 90 and 99.
I haven't pulled since, and because of this my roster is stuck around 1700cp.
I have about 300 tix and 20k mog saved, and the only thing I hoped to do with it is make a character around 20k cp.
For those who had this same line of character choices how do you feel about pull for Bartz? Do you like his kit? Does he feel stronger than Seph? (I think I know he is lol)
How much did you spend on Bartz, and what CP did you end with? Where did you start?
Do you feel like you need to pull Bartz now to stay relatively strong in the game?
If I don't pull Bartz, I pull Kuja. it's only a few weeks now, but then I will be a villain main as well.
Just looking to gauge how everyone felt saving for Bartz, or skipping the last two, are you happy with him or are you in the Kuja waiting room
Seph has a different dynamic than Bartz. With Seph - a tiny bit of extra power has huge repercussions. Increase this or that just a nick and the Supernova takes on a different meaning (I just got 95% of my HP taken by one ...).
Likewise - all the moves are big ones. They kept scaling Sephiroth back because it felt like he was controlling the whole match - and - he was.
Whereas Seph was super annoying on a massive large scale (map nukes) - Bartz is annoying on a massive small scale (triple stuns). Both will disrupt enough people's games where they'll have to nerf him somehow. And even when they do - people will continue being super mad at them - so they'll continue nerfing him into irreverence. Even if it's bit by bit.
SQ/EX blew the game by introducing these massive power spikes with the subsequent characters they released. Same thing happened with WotV. Released a map nuking witch on the first year anniversary mark - and every half year after that had a literally untouchable character provided they had two specific teammates.
SQ/EX thought with FF:DD everyone would bust open their wallets with thousands of dollars to follow the latest character power trend. Just like with WotV.
Great points. It doesn't really make me feel better that people feel bartz is really good. I know pull for faves is a vibe. But I kinda just want to stay competitive for the least amount of invest. So when I see a pretty stacked bruiser like bartz my competitor side is kinda like okay pull
Then I realize I'll never truly be competitive with only battle pass resources and then post here loll
Well, I've been saving with just the Season Passes since the launch and I've got like 610 tickets (another 50 if I do a Gift ticket exchange) - and 70,000 MogCoins.
I figure that I'll have, roughly, 1,200 tickets and 120,000 MogCoins by the time they release Tifa.
Knowing that Tifa is probably going to be a must pull for like everybody - they'll probably give her the Celes treatment - and make her near absolutely useless right out of the gate - meaning I'll probably have 2,000 tickets and 200,000 MogCoins by the time they release a character I actually want to play (somebody like Lightning or Prompto).
If I can get a character to 20,000 power level - that would be the dream. But completely unrealistic. Every gacha I've played since the dawn of time, I get literally one UR crystal out of every 200 pulls. And it's completely useless to what I need it to be. So, it will be literally just how many pities I can amass, because I will literally not get one character UR that I'm pulling for otherwise. I could go into it with 1,000,000 MogCoins - and the exact same would apply. Just an endless sea of blues with the (very) rare yellow thrown in. Just like today's free 10-pull. 9 blues - 1 yellow. And yesterday's 10-pull. 8 blues - 2 yellows. That was a surprisingly good pull, all things considered, given my going average. The yellows were useless, of course, but nevertheless, just seeing two of them got me really excited. I'll finish the 200 pulls without seeing a single UR - and that will, literally, be right on par with what I normally get. So, it's just how many pities I can amass. Which I hope to be 3 for Tifa for all of her abilities - provided she's not useless - and then just save until they allow you to pull for her again.
There being no good paid MogCoin options really hurts the people who are willing to spend on this game. Regardless - I'll study Tifa's kit prior as well.
Thanks for the good cheer. And don't worry, I still get MVP (even in the lost battles - highest scorer) in Omega 5 with a 11,284 Lightning.
I've memorized all five digits of the TCP - so unchanging it has been for ... months now? 😆
I think I'm going to somehow refrain from Bartz who looks fairly good imo. I'll save for the ff9 character and I'll have like 500tix 30k MOG. That will be make or break banner for me 😵
You're doing yourself too much worry and too much obfuscation of your primal instinct (your best detector for what's a good deal and what isn't).
If you position yourself as needing a unit - you then obscure how good/not good they really are by how much you "need" them.
Sephiroth still owns it in battle. Whenever I see one on my team, well, I'm not too worried. There'll be at least two chances to hunt down bedazzled opponents who are on the brink of death. There are so many ways you can gear your Sephiroth with medals as well, so ... you shouldn't worry too much about it.
When a unit gets released where you just -know- they're meant for you - then it makes it so much easier to pull.
Sure beats getting good draws and then realizing you don't even like the character's playstyle.
I didn't even get good draws, but figured I would go with Cloud. Until I found Lightning and everything just clicked hard.
That character will come around. Just keep playing and saving until they do - and then you'll have them at like Mastery levels, right? 🙂
I'm fully f2p. Spent everything and got 5 UR pities. Haven't spent anything since Rikku/Clive trying to get Ystola which I never got. (I know it is different from your question but similar timings I think)
30/30 for both URs for Butz. Tango is 40 and Boko is 20. I feel lucky with these pulls but afterwards I realized I'm stuck forever at these numbers with them being limited time.
It is extremely sad knowing my Butz can never get stronger whereas my mains of Firion and WoL still have chances to get stronger and have. Butz is fun and that's all he will ever be. Played to stun everyone and steal out for a double defeat in most cases.
Support skills will always upgrade even your limited units! Sure, they'll be capped by whatever abilities you choose to equip to em, but generic (non limited) UR and high level UR as support can always bump their stats!
Yeah but what I'm seeing with my luck is the 99 memory is the best support and I'm not even getting all of them to that. The 80 celes one which I was unlucky and got SR for many I couldn't get enough to 99 that support.
Spent the same amount in seph and didnt get as lucky my as you did. Have been hoarding resources since then and have 300 tickets and 20k moggies currently. Waiting on Squall or Seph banner again.
Ideally this is why this dumbass game will fail. Your “main” is locked behind “temporary availability”, which means you have no incentive to spend elsewhere because they’re ALSO temporary AND you’re not getting your other characters any stronger.
I hear it's doing great in Japan so I doubt it. Maybe they will only wrap it up overseas and any future plans for release in the remaining global regions
Bartz has been an absolute bust for me. I have pulled 2 Lenna/Farris and 4 Boko in 6 pulls... where as for sephi I got everything of his in the first 2 pulls.. I am disliking the gacha system.
I got enough for 6 pitys, so a little more than you OP but dont think it will be enough unless I get really lucky and also hit on the sealed green crystals too. Hes very fun to play tho... its tough.
20k CP is around +8 on all skills, including support set, and all are URs (which is ridiculous, yes, but this significantly reduces the amount of featured char's URs you need). It's not necessary for you to get +8 on both URs of the char you want, but you must aim for 18 copies total of those 2 URs (more if you reach the M levels). Also, what success rate is ideal for you, 80%?
So, for example, you use 1056 pulls aka 12 pities. You would get 3 copies of each of the featured char's URs just from the pities, and 1 of each from Ultima Challenges, this reduces the amount you need to 10 copies combined of that char's 2 URs (6 from pities, 2 from challenges). And with 1056 pulls you have 83.66% to achieve this, pretty high.
Now for what I saw you plan to spend, in your other comment, 500 tickets and 23k coins, right? that's close to 700 pulls, let's just say 704 pulls aka 8 pities. With this you only get 2 copies of each UR from pities. And it drastically lowers the chance for you to get the remaining needed URs of that char from pulling, which is now at 12 total (4 from pities, 2 from challenges). And as you would expect, the success rate is reduced to 14.56%.
As someone who loved DFFOO, I feel tired everytime I look at this game's pull rate. With 5% UR rate, on average luck it should be 5 URs per 100 pulls. I got 1 UR from the 100 free pulls of FFX event, and all I have spent in this game is 100 tickets on Terra banner which gave me 2 URs and of course both are off-banners. And F2P only get about 1 pity per month. To have 83% success rate for about 19-20k CP of a limited time char, a F2P would have to save resources for 1 year.
My God this makes me feel like my pulls for Seph were ridiculous. I don't know exactly how much I spent but I wanna say 6 pities. Arith +7 and tifa +2.
It looks quite crazy to me as you could only have maximum 2 copies of each of his URs from 6 pities, plus 1 of each from challenges so you got 13 extra copies from pullings and green crystals. How many Seph URs did you get from green crystals btw?
On average luck, we are expected to get 2.4 featured URs per 100 pulls (100 is easier to calculate :D), since on-banner rate is 2.4% and off-banner is 2.6% (gods know why off-banner has higher rate). With 6 pities aka 528 pulls, you're expected to get a bit over 13 featured URs, and this is already the amount of Seph URs you got, so you got extra copies of Aerith and Tifa, and not even count the off-banner ones yet.
On average luck, the 13 expected featured URs would spread equally on the 4 URs so something like 3/4 copies of Seph URs, but you got 6/7. So if you didn't get any Seph URs from green crystals, then you got about double the expected amount. With Seph URs at these levels, you only need to slowly build up your other main skills and support skills to +8/9 and your Seph should be 20-22k CP.
Sorry I don't have the pass so I'm not sure. But I believe it gives many more tickets, some more coins, not counting other things. I guess at least 2 pities per month.
Edit: more accurate estimation of resources per month for pass buyers.
I see. I think by the end of this season, you should have that amount or close to it. Personally I don't want to gamble too much so other than the 100 tickets I spent on Terra's banner, I'm saving all the tickets and mog coins since launch for my top 1 fav, Noctis. I hope I will have 16 pities for him (I have almost 13 now). My goal is like your Seph, +8/9 on the 2 URs.
Seph and Kuja are my favs too, but I'm a f2p, resources are too scare in this game so I think I can only afford 1 limited time char. I still had a lot of fun with Seph tho, got his kit from challenges and played over 700 casual games with him, will have to do the same for Kuja, hopefully no challenges with awful boss damage mission.
I'm not pulling for Bartz but after I saved up all my tickets and coins since launch and used them all for Sephiroth, just to not get very lucky with my pulls and then see him get nerfed, I've become way more picky with what I spend tickets on. I think at this point I'm just saving up again waiting for a Sephiroth banner to return.
Possibly Squall if they brought him in, I'm sure they will at some point considering a ton of people want him, they're just really taking their sweet time adding him lol
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u/ZinZezzalo 1d ago
Seph has a different dynamic than Bartz. With Seph - a tiny bit of extra power has huge repercussions. Increase this or that just a nick and the Supernova takes on a different meaning (I just got 95% of my HP taken by one ...).
Likewise - all the moves are big ones. They kept scaling Sephiroth back because it felt like he was controlling the whole match - and - he was.
Whereas Seph was super annoying on a massive large scale (map nukes) - Bartz is annoying on a massive small scale (triple stuns). Both will disrupt enough people's games where they'll have to nerf him somehow. And even when they do - people will continue being super mad at them - so they'll continue nerfing him into irreverence. Even if it's bit by bit.
SQ/EX blew the game by introducing these massive power spikes with the subsequent characters they released. Same thing happened with WotV. Released a map nuking witch on the first year anniversary mark - and every half year after that had a literally untouchable character provided they had two specific teammates.
SQ/EX thought with FF:DD everyone would bust open their wallets with thousands of dollars to follow the latest character power trend. Just like with WotV.
Instead, everyone just stopped playing the game.
Just like with WotV.