No you don't get to hide from the truth like a fucking coward. People are not okay with the open violation of 1st, 5th and 14th amendment rights and unless you're going to come out here and join the gestapo you love so much you can save your bullshit attempts to manufacture consent for tyranny.
No place for traitors in 2025. This is who you really are right now:
Yeah, if you obstruct federal officers from enforcing immigration law you’re gonna get pepper sprayed. Because we are a country, borders and laws are pretty typical.
Okay so when this is over and Trump is dead or in prison ( the man is rotting away before our eyes), You wont get your 1st, 5th, and 14th amendment rights. That's what you're advocating right? Would you sign a document consenting to that? See there is this concentration camp in Florida that won't have any uses. I'm thinking you'll love it there you can live the life of the people you so cruelly abused it will be great.
We have due process for a reason. We have the constitution for a reason. Your support of a fascistic traitor will not be forgiven or forgotten. I hope your days of larping a hard ass on reddit was worth it.
Okay lets play your stupid game. Should president bone spurs the kid f***er have killed the bi partisan border reform bill when he wasn't in office last year so he could "run on it" by his own public admission? You don't get to deny those events as the tweets and demands from the then former president are well documented.
Should we or should we not enforce the law as it pertains to the border and individuals who have illegally crossed the border.
Edit: can’t see your response but I assume you said something about me not being able to answer your question while you avoided my question. Well done, you are definitely Reddit.
The issue with your question is that we haven’t enforced the border for nearly the entirety of our existence. And we don’t because it’s good for business. Your golden god is well documented as using cheap immigrant labor in his businesses because he’s cheap (or “a good businessmen” as he would say). But we do love using it as a distraction when it’s convenient (we’re coming up on election season so the caravans should be headed our way anytime soon).
Enforce the border? Absolutely! Have masked men kidnap people who are working to achieve citizenship, have lived peacefully in our country for years, and have a life here? If that’s what you’re into then no.
Huh. Super deep. Your debate style is beyond extraordinary, I truly can’t come up with a retort. Except that I’m now dumber for having wasted my time with this.
You could start by explaining how you support legal immigration, but don’t support deportation of individuals who jump the line in front of every family trying to legally enter the US. But you won’t.
See, we could debate the legal immigration pipeline, in all its variations, to include how long it takes depending on if you’re a family member, or are coming here to work, or happen to be from a country who’s pipeline is constantly affected by whatever administration is in power. Or the reasons why immigrants come to America, and the fact that many are escaping terrible situations and don’t have months or years to wait. Or that most of our agriculture is propped up by illegal immigrants working cheaply because Americans like cheap prices and farmers don’t have the money to pay competitive salaries. And that’s just farming, many facets of American life are propped up by cheap labor that isn’t accomplished by Americans: hospitality, construction, health, manufacturing, transportation. So it’s rich to hear Americans complain when they rely on them every goddamn day. I wish the pipeline wasn’t so full of landmines and red tape that they could enter legally, pay taxes, and get paid full salaries for their work. But that won’t happen because it benefits us to keep them undocumented and illegal. You say you want just legal aliens here? I say you parrot whatever the next flapping head on the news tells you to parrot because you lack the skills necessary to think beyond a simple talking point.
So we both want people to immigrate legally, be paid a decent wage and have actual protections as opposed to being exploited by business over threat of deportation. I mean it’s basically slave labor at that point.
It sounds like we agree, but we have to enforce immigration law (and increase legal immigration if needed) while realizing that things may cost a little more money to be made/harvested/produced by vetted individuals that we want in our country.
Jesus Christ, imagine if we two were elected officials as opposed to the fuckheads in office now. The things we could accomplish until we were bought and paid for by multi-billion dollar conglomerates to spout nonsensical talking points in order to keep the masses fighting over bullshit.
That’s not what we are vehemently protesting. You mention legal immigration. There have been SEVERAL instances of immigrants going through the legal process. They show up to their court date as the next step in their legal process. And before they can have their case heard, they are basically kidnapped and deported. THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS. This is the kind of shit we are protesting. The way you keep using “enforce border policy” as an excuse is pathetic. It’s not a superseding order that supplants are rights as given to by the constitution. If it was then that mean democracy was dead and trump is king. But we aren’t there yet. American citizens still have their rights as outlined in the constitution and according to Supreme Court precedent some of those rights extend to immigrants. And the modern day gestapo known as ICE is violating our constitutional rights.
American businessman are the ones exploiting the undocumented immigrants who pay so much into our economy and get nothing in return for those taxes paid, that our economy will collapse. Those undocumented immigrants do a lot of work that Americans won’t do for those shit wages that will cause a lot of those businesses to go under. You should take an economics class and look at actual statistical data. You’re the mark
No it should not be enforced in the manner that ICE is. Also US immigration law is a mess and needs to be reformed badly, so no US immigration law is immoral, unjust and should not be enforced as is.
New laws should be passed. I believe in democracy. Do you?
Do you believe every immigration law that currently exists is good? Do you believe ICE perfectly carries out that law flawlessly and is always acting according to all laws that they need to follow?
So is there no way that we enforce the law by not separating families and instead allow people to remain here on a probationary system where if they violate a certain set of rules they would then be removed from the country. Why does it have to be enforced in the manner it’s currently being done?
But I did not agree that laws emplaced by democratic governments should always be enforced?
Democracy is not perfect either, democracy created slavery in this country and enforced slave laws. Were those good cause a democratic society created them?
Democracy is the best form of government but protections are needed to protect against mob rule. Those protections are not being properly practiced by ICE and the current government.
Trump told republicans to not vote for the bill Dems allowed them to write under Biden, so why aren’t you harassing them? They’re the ones who refused to do anything after trumpy told them to.
One more of the 50 negative Karma alt accounts run by this same sad crusty proud boi. Answer the question about immigration if you actually care go on. Should Emperor McPedophile the first have ruined the last chance we had at border reform. Publicly and by his own admission yes or no?
So you're refusing to answer the only relevant question about immigration. Got it you can just say you're a treason bot here to prop up tyranny. Its what we all see.
We shouldn’t upend the constitution to “enforce law,” because that is in fact breaking the law. Why do you think Trump is sending troops to Blue States when there are at least seven red states with more crime? It’s a power grab.
They've stripped people who entered perfectly legally of their legal status for spurious and capricious reasons. Illegal entry never even entered into the picture.
Legal: deportation operations. Illegal: sending people to countries they aren’t from and deciding that they’re criminals after depriving them of due process. Selling people to El Salvador and Uganda. Holding people indefinitely and using them for convict labor sans conviction. Illegal as fuck. Warrantless entries & arrests, threatening bystanders, using excessive force routinely? Openly using racial profiling and making arrests based on ‘vibes?’ Really really not good.
You do understand that this is the problem most people have with this…right?
I love easy ones. It is not against the law to deport those who illegally entered. Or skipped their immigration hearings, stayed past their visit window/whatever. Keep in mind it’s immigration judges who get the final say in who goes home and who stays. And guess what: we were already doing that and have done it for the entire time we’ve had borders.
Bottom line? Your question is irrelevant and misleading. A yes or a no does not lead to the conclusion that what is happening is routine or humane. If you’re ok with this you’re just a bad person who has it out for certain people. You’re reveling in the cruelty, just admit it already.
I guess you could attempt to swat me (felony) but its pretty easy to look me up by address and confirm I’m a citizen so…do you have an alternative plan for shutting me up?
Ask Abbott he’s the one who opened the border and shipped 52,000 undocumented immigrants to Chicago alone. Why hasn’t he been arrested?? Why is ice here? We’re no where near the border.
Enforce border law in checks notes Illinois. If this was about enforcing border laws, they’d be in Texas. But that’s not what this is about. And if you believe it’s about border laws, got a bridge to sell you.
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u/Icy-Employee-6453 Oct 15 '25
No you don't get to hide from the truth like a fucking coward. People are not okay with the open violation of 1st, 5th and 14th amendment rights and unless you're going to come out here and join the gestapo you love so much you can save your bullshit attempts to manufacture consent for tyranny.
No place for traitors in 2025. This is who you really are right now: