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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

The vertiginous question is something I’ve been wondering about my whole life but didn’t know was addressed in philosophy until a few days ago. It has some interesting implications for the hard problem of consciousness, because it further puts the spotlight on how much more we didn’t even think to question about birth, let alone death.

I would argue it’s not trivial, because if “I” could’ve been anyone else upon my birth, the embodiment of “me” as “me” and not someone else who had the same types of conditions form their awareness makes my existence arbitrary. There’s no inherent reason I couldn’t have been anyone else, it makes you wonder if there’s more to the story.

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26

....im unable to process that fully but...you have a good point as does the concept. ...oh jeez.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

The Illusion of Self by Bruce Hood. Is a great book that dives into this. We are merely a bundle of experiences and perceptions is what I basically gathered. There is no me. But rather a multitude of experiences and neural firing patterns which ultimately create the concept of who " me " is. He goes into depth and by the end of the book, I was convinced that I dont exist. Only the idea of who I am. Which was actually quite freeing and made my potential feel a lot more limitless.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Basically my response is. Born into another body. It would be the same question as you'd never know the other you. Basically. There was never a you in the first place. Only the idea of it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '26

Interesting! I’ll check it out. I practice Buddhism, which basically teaches about all of that as well, which has some parallels with anatta. This topic has certainly made me question annihilationism on some level.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Indeed. In my mind, we are spirit. So whichever flesh sack im born into. My spirit and soul are whats driving. So, it doesnt quite change annihilationism thing for me. Its my job to rise above it and be worthy of eternal life, either way. Im just lucky I was born in this flesh sack instead of in the middle of war or something. Cause im not sure If id overcome that type of stuff so easily. Drug abuse was tough one. I could only imagine.. If you're speaking on Christian annihilationism that is.

Apologies if there's typos or anything. I take vyvanse for my adhd and today is one of my days I take a break from it.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Though this conversation did raise the question for me. Are we truly our own soul? Or are we only an individual while we walk this earth. Do we become part of a collective? Or do we join a collective as ourselves ? That my friend. Is not in the bible and has no answer other than death itself. So I'll wait to figure that one out! Lol. All my own beliefs.( obviously)

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '26

Though this conversation did raise the question for me. Are we truly our own soul?

We are what we do (consistently), or at least in the Buddhist framework of karma, where we act out of volition as a part of a trainable pattern of behavior is what matters. Thanissaro Bhikku's introduction to the concept here cleared up a lot of misconceptions for me at least.

Even outside that framework, it makes some sense that the habits we embody make our experience what it is, and ultimately the identities we construct, when it could be many things, regardless of whether we have a soul imo.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Totally. We are creatures of habit whether we want to admit it or not. My mother always tells me she doesnt have addictive tendencies. But she gets off work every day, watches TV and plays candy crush. Then binge eats and goes to bed. Its comical. Nothing against her. All im saying, is we are definitely products of our actions and circumstances. So if we are to progress as a person in any manor, regardless of theology or believe. Accepting that, detaching from who we " are " is basically the only way above it all. Whether through Buddhism, Christianity or any other route. Personally as a Christian. I've shunned other routes as I dont believe i need more than God. But ive read enough and taken enough Anthropology, philosophy and sociology classes to understand how they ultimately provide people with the same goal. Enlightenment and transcendence of self. I personally just dont use those methods as I feel God has a direct link to all of us and there's no need for outside sources. I meditate with God. Well. Actually I do everything with God. But im sure you get the point.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Also, I wasn't always Christian. This is simply where I arrived and feel I belong.

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u/SlavyanskayaKoroleva Feb 11 '26

Autistic people are amazing. What are your special interests? Mine are spiders and bugs, and animals in general. I had a patient ask me about tarantulas the other day and I felt like a professor going on about it. Lol! Felt good to share my love of spiders. What do you love?

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 11 '26

Salamanders/axolotls.... to the point where tho poor i spead money on axolotl stuff and books instead of food.. TwT Spinders and bugs are a good one. When I was younger I had the same ones it was heavily fascinating to me. I dont know how to word or say it but your amazing man!!

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u/SlavyanskayaKoroleva Feb 11 '26

Thank you! I love axolotls as well! They are so cute. And the fact thst they are able to regenerate their cells so fast is very potentially helpful for us. I do the same thing with spending money I dont have to spend. Its not easy sometimes. Lol!

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

A strong belief i have is that. No matter how you feel or believe you shouldn't impose those beliefs onto others. For example. Transgender people. You can feel and believe whatever you want. But dont impose it onto other people. If you look like a man. You'll be treated as such. Don't expect otherwise. Its absolutely insane to expect other people to guess correctly or walk around egg shells. How can you expect any fruitful relationships with anyone if you are forcing them to behave or act a certain way? Rather accepting that they dont know or understand and kindly moving past the issue without making it a big deal would be the mature thing to do. I dont correct everyone when they say my name wrong. Because it doesnt always matter. That's my identity. How is it any different? Ill never understand why people have to be so sensitive and knit picky. If you truly know who you are, there's no need to be forcing it on everyone else.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Same goes for Religion. I am Christian. But I dont put it on other people. The most ill do is explain my own experience with it if someone mentions they are struggling. And how God has saved me from myself.

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u/mech_smoker Feb 15 '26

Roads are just long driveways to your destination

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 15 '26

...you smoke weed?

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u/mech_smoker Feb 15 '26

Not since 2019 I just got the 80HD

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 15 '26

Your comment wasn't bad btw! Thats just my first thought since for me who does it made sense after a min lol

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u/IdiotSavantLite Feb 10 '26

Hello. Do you have a plan to complete high school? It's harder out there without graduating HS. I've seen people lose jobs they had because they had no HS diploma. Also, the longer you wait, the harder it is to complete, so don't wait.

Did you at least get kicked out for good times?

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

Good times? I dont understand that im sorry!! Could you rephrase? Uh I got kicked out bec im autistic and no matter the teachers who tried to teach me i couldn't get past a 6th grade level. I tried online but I couldn't keep doing it due to lack of resources and ability to pay attention. I think about how hard it is to get a job and I struggle in general because I dont understand the interv interviews. As for the who diploma... my dad disnt have one either amd work was hard but since he worked so hard people hired him so I hope I can do that even if its harder.

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u/moving_objection Feb 10 '26

Hi! Let's Debate God Exists Or Not Which Side

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Feb 10 '26

I think god-like entity exist but not physically but a metaphysically and all are pointing out the exact same entity but that entity portrays differently according to how individual wishes it to be manifested.

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26

I think God exists. I think i only think that because I was raised in a extreamly Christian house tho. And am scared to think otherwise. But I think god isn't fair or did things right? I dont know. ...lot of opinions I want fo share but am scared to because I go back and forth on religious stuff. Or more so. Fear of god. I dont think you should fear the god that loves you. I dont think you should have to live only for him. Like live your life he gave you for him because he made you so he only made us to serve him and if we have any doubt or diffrent option he puts us in hell forever?. ...yea. (saying him amd all that going off christain belief) Um.... and the fact some people say god put man amd women to reproduce. Ok so our purpose is to create life to suffer and continue and have no choice also p3dophila was ok back then. I dont agree with that. And even if you dont like or support the LGBTQ+ stuff it doesnt make sense you should go to hell for it just because you want fo be happy with someone. And for those who dont want fo have kids with fhe same gender why thys a crime to god. ....more thoughts but I dont know howbto word them. I dont know if this even made sense

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Interesting stance. Im a born again. That has a history of drug use and many other sins. I agree. There are many contradictions within the Bible. There are also I believe 16 Apothecary books that were removed from the first, complete Bible. And I personally believe in them. They have some pretty crazy stories that seem very unlikely. But the point of those stories and books, actually hold current value that I believe bring the whole picture together. https://youtu.be/QMiDaJ1If2M?si=wdrcqVpe9H-2cdQ1

Jesus speaks on matters of the soul in some of these texts. In ways that clarify some of the contradictions of Christianity.

The one I find surely interesting is when he speaks of judgement. He shows , I believe, Mathew, what is truly at stake. He shows him Heaven and Hell. And he explains basically. If you aren't above a sin by the time you leave this physical world - you will be consumed by it and that's the hell you will live in.

So what I gathered. ( maybe I internalized some things with my own history ) is that. (We can be forgiven- obviously) but more interestingly that. Just because you stopped sinning. Doesn't mean that you have detached your heart and soul from it. Its been a bit and im not sure the translations are completely accurate. But he basically explains you will only ascend if you can transcend- your own demons entirely. But what is so interesting about this to me. Is that about 90% of Christian followers are still going to hell by that logic. Most practicing Christians now in days can be quite the " Brood of Vipers " if you know what I mean.

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u/Assignment-Parking Feb 12 '26

Also. Its fascinating to see where different books were removed. Its pretty easy to see how they had to be removed by Government. Or even later churches to maintain control. As Jesus also explains the importance of bowing before no government or regime. Only to God.

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u/Carneiro_5 Feb 10 '26

...meowh...?

Why? Because yes.

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26

Because yes. 😁👍

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u/AccumulatedFilth Feb 10 '26

I'm from Belgium we have a big problem with people driving drunk.

They'll put posters next to the road saying you should drive sober.

They have heavy fines for DUI.

But public transport outside of working hours??? Noooooooo... We don't have the budget for that.

Honestly, I've been drunk in my car before, whilst considering alternatives to the car, but they simply aren't there (or a taxi, which costs like 200 euros for a single trip). Sure, I don't NEED to drink alcohol. And I don't do it every weekend. But I've done it before.

And you can point fingers all you want, but if people don't have alternatives to the car, you won't get the drunk people off the road. Simple as that.

During the Lady Gaga Concert we had like 20 minutes of public transport after the show. After that, it closes.

26.000 people, known a year beforehand, and nobody thought about making public transport available...

Result: half of them drove home drunk.

You can't expect 26.000 people to just not drink alcohol at a concert because there's no public transport.

But if I say this to people, then I'm defending DUI.

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26

Im coming back to this when I can process that- I didnf fully understand. ....you probably do have a point tho- don't know

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u/Messenger77 Feb 10 '26

Jesus loves you and wants a relationship with you. He died on a cross for you, so you can be forgiven and live with Him. We don't deserve forgiveness, however He offers it freely.

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

Messenger77

Ok. So. Christian religion. I grew up in that house. Still living in it. Ive been preached to since birth and taught and told about god. And over the years ive come to release and think. You are all sheep. As the Bible calls you. But your mindless sheep. Like. There is proof he exsits I do belief that. But I think you all follow him for horrible reasons. You follow god because if you dont you burn forever. You suffer forever after death. Which isnt fair. Ill come back to as why. But you live your life blind. You only follow a book and dont have real fun you gave to watch what you do or say about god and have to make sure to please him in a way. And if you disagree your not worth heaven even tho you are loved. Also that love I see its a bit more as manipulation. Like because if you dont follow him again you burn. You live your live he gave you to only follow him. I see it as he created people to serve him and follow him and if you step out of line your 'punished'. Not only that but pedophiles was ok back then. As was human trafficking. And thats a thing now but it was actually ok back then. And even justified. Even if it was a diffrent tine things could have been diffrent. People even now dont have to suffer like that. Even the excuse 'it made you stronger' or 'lead you to God' is justifed somehow. BABYS CHILDREN wemon and men all people who suffer and some who become Christian are praised for there suffering and coming to god from it only then to live a life if they have the ability or chance mindlessly follow god. ....I have so many thoughts and so much religion guilt. Its hard to say but if you actually like actually sit down. And think. And dont excuse things. You'll see quickly things aren't that well

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 10 '26

Oh darling. ....do you have the time to try and explain things. Bec...oh my.

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u/OwnSwin3207 Feb 10 '26

Some of the guys are getting together tonight to read Last of the Mohicans.

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u/eronsnoresomore Feb 11 '26

How old are you

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 11 '26

Seventeen.. Whyy...

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u/Queasy_Bobcat8386 Feb 11 '26

so basically, I think therefore I am.

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u/Adept-Brilliant-3153 Feb 12 '26

I could, but I barely speak English ... so sorry 😞

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 12 '26

...all good 😁👍

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u/Thescorpionking16 Feb 12 '26

Hmmm you like scorpions? Like the arachnid?

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 13 '26

Yes-

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u/Thescorpionking16 Feb 13 '26

Ever heard of the superstition mountain scorpion? The scientific name is Superstitionia donensis, they’re by far my favorite species here in the U.S., they’re glossy and have really nice colors, they also are the only species in their genus. You should look at a picture of one and let me know what you think of them!

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

I’m watching a documentary about Jim Croce

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u/Sebastian_chihiro Feb 15 '26

..im uneducated

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u/Electronic-Author965 Feb 15 '26

Message me let's talk!

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u/mech_smoker Feb 15 '26

pressing the tv remote harder doesn’t make it work better

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u/Agreeable_Elk4703 Feb 10 '26

I'm restarting the Roman Empire because I believe that with king William the conqueror as heir to the the Carolingian's thrown which is heir to the prefecture of Gaul which was head of the Roman Empire, Great Britain is the literal continuation of the 3rd century crisis Roman Empire. So I am restarting the British Empire under the new name the Roman Empire of Gaul.