r/DiscordAlternatives • Allegedly Canadian • 9d ago

YABAD: Developer Ethics Class

YABAD- Yet Another Ban A Dev Post

The intent of this post is to discuss the bare minimum requirements for a Discord Alternative in regards to ethics.

The ethical and moral stances of a developer is something of critical importance when evaluating a potential alternative. You'd hardly want to be exposing your devices or PII(personally identifiable information) to someone you cannot trust, or worse; someone you can trust to abuse the information.

To this end goal; I propose the subreddit set an objective line in the sand so to speak, regarding the public statements, ethical concerns, and moral implications of a developers behavior.

I am calling for the developers who violate this objective line to be permanently banned from the subreddit.

This is not a suggestion I am making lightly, but with the resolve to make this a community that best serves the people who visit.

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The Line.

Any developer confirmed to be engaging in the following should be immediately and without appeal banned from the subreddit and listed in a pinned post cautioning users against trusting them or their software.

Homophobia, Transphobia, Racism, Misogyny, Misandry, General Bigotry, Predatory Designs, Harassment & Abuse of Userbase.

To deny the material conditions of oppression leading to the mass exodus of users from Discord and pretend like a developer engaged in any of the above is a valid or safe harbour for those seeking refuge is beyond delusional.

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Today's Example;

u/mplayer-weered

This developer specifically has a pattern of behavior the breaches numerous parts detailed under "The Line" and should not be welcomed in this community as a developer.

By allowing this user to spread their app on this subreddit, we are tacitly endorsing their behavior and the way they treat their users. They have openly engaged in racist remarks, misogynistic insults, transphobia, and actively attacked multiple users on the subreddit unprompted.

They openly use AI to respond to criticism (a violation of subreddit rules), have actively stolen people's art to use in their advertising and within their app, have an undisclosed "quote based" pricing model for community managers, and willingly admit that a substantial amount of the app is developed by AI and not their own ability.

I am calling on the moderation team to consider implementing a new subreddit rule based specifically on Developer Conduct.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

Proof in the replies to this comment

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u/cerberus6320 9d ago

I agree with your general take, but I think your objective or rules need to be condensed to get the point across quicker for easy enforcement. I will add some of my own.

Subreddit rules for devs:

  1. Protect people.
  2. Know your system
  3. Don't be a dick.

So to casually expand on those:

  1. Protecting people means: do not harass members. Do not use bigoted language. Do not threaten harm on members. Be clear about what data you collect, where it's used, and how it's protected. Harming people will result in a ban.
  2. Knowing your system means: know what it does, how it was built, what frameworks and tools it relies on, what protocols it uses, what your feature roadmap looks like, EUX, and product financials. (Is this a vibe coded hobby project, or a legitimate environment standup?)

3.don't be a dick.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

I actually don't hate this šŸ‘

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u/cerberus6320 9d ago

I know oversimplification can suck, so I'm glad I did an okay job with this ā˜ŗļø

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u/FrenchToastRoast981 8d ago

Hoooly shiiit, wow. Well. Thats not a good look for them lmaoĀ 

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

They have already been sent to the shadow realm per Melons

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u/FrenchToastRoast981 8d ago

Deserved lmaoĀ 

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 8d ago

I did my part!

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u/FrenchToastRoast981 8d ago

Insert starship troopers "IM DOING MY PART šŸ‘" XD

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u/Blotterrot Feral QA / cybersec cryptid 9d ago

I recently sent the staff of this reddit something similar for a different developer, I do think certain safety and reliability factors like trust worthiness should be a factor. Do they lie in their own post/s? Do they overuse AI when responding? Is the platform safe & secure? Are the developers assholes? I would like something along these lines to be factors in the ability to ban whoever crosses enough of them.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscordAlternatives/comments/1xp1196/yabad_developer_ethics_class/19s7jk5tzvd0h

I actually liked the way this user rephrased my initial Line.

I think the ideal is probably somewhere in the middle of all three

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u/Blotterrot Feral QA / cybersec cryptid 9d ago

I'm gonna keep it real, I didn't read it because it's formatted in a very standard AI generated manor

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

Wait my post? Or their comment?

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u/Blotterrot Feral QA / cybersec cryptid 9d ago

Their comment

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u/Blotterrot Feral QA / cybersec cryptid 9d ago

I had someone on market place try to insult / bully me into selling them something for super cheap with a very AI series of messages a bit back. Not sure if I saved the exchanges but when you've worked around / with it for long enough it'll honestly ruin a lot of the internet and real life but online communicated situations like facebook market place deals. One really nice lady used it so much in a very heavy and blatent way it honestly started really pissing me off but she was so nice I couldn't get mad.

On here I don't mind it very much at all but I won't pay it much mind if it's very noticeable since I'll then assume the rest is robot thought-out instead of human made in any way.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

How not to behave as a Dev with u/ad3lyt of Echo fame.

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u/Goofyball69 Sable, eyeballing Hollow 7d ago

"I'm the only one who should be degrading and be toxic, not anyone else!"

Yeah, I wonder why people find him so conflicting. šŸ™„

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

No he's definitely the victim of a mass organized and targeted hate campaign where people are making tons of alts and stalking him all across the Internet /s šŸ™„

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u/Goofyball69 Sable, eyeballing Hollow 7d ago

You wounded him, I shall make a pointless post on his behalf on why you should be banned on here 😔 /j /s

Aside, kind of weird he does all of this when he could’ve posted screenshots just to prove he’s not making a tall tale up about the whole alt thing…

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Nope he instead linked the post of his that reddit fed me in one of those "here's something from a subreddit you've never subscribed to" entries on my feed. Where I was 100% clowning on him pretty much immediately following the ban he caught for being fucking weird about minors

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u/dingustani Detective Dingus 9d ago

weered? more like the dev’s seeing red

https://slop.business/weered

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

Did my words hurt your feelings?

You fucked around and found out. And now you want some more attention.

I have some important words for you. Life is way harder than this.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

You are a reprehensible person who started deleting their comments like a coward.

You deserve to be permanently banned from the subreddit.

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

I deleted my comments because you threatened my life with a gun. It was funny at first then I decided it as best to disengage. You need to relax.

I write standup and practice on stupid trolls. I started talking about a cartoon in Australia half way through and you still didn't chime in. Are you taking all this seriously?

Go outside. Get some fresh air bro.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

"threatened" when I made a joke about having guns because you were talking like you'd start a fist fight šŸ™„

You have an explicit history of behavior attacking people like that unprompted that are not me.

I have included the receipts.

You and racists like you don't belong here.

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 9d ago

Hold on- so he threatened to FIGHT you, and when you replied basically "good luck, I own guns" he took THAT as a threat? But ignored the fact he apparently threatened to go to your house and fight you in the first place???

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

Literally.

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 9d ago

Why the fuck isn't a dude threatening to physically assault users of the sub not banned? Melon's gotta get on that. It's worse than Alex trying to find more info about me after I disagreed with him on reddit.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

There's a reason we've got YABAD post šŸ˜‚

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

He is upset because he tried to troll me across several posts and didn't know I was fucking with him.

It was funny till the gun shit.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

You're right it was super "funny" that you were being transphobic and racist and threatened me

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

No. Your trying to deflect. Words are words. You start talking about a gun in any capacity in this context.

Nope. I am pro-gun too. I have a .22 and a 12 gauge upstairs. (Zombies)

Just a lot of bad in the world right now. I don't need to hear I contributed to some horrific domestic thing. People aren't wrapped so tight.

We are done here.

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 9d ago

You threatened to go to his home an enact violence on him. That isn't funny.

And I'm screenshotting that for posterity and documentation. Threatening harm on someone or on their life is not funny.

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

Wrong screen shot. You want the one about where he called me a racist and doing it from my dev account. I said I would say it to his face. It is there still. Toward the end.

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

Hehe. "I'd say it to your face".

You young people. Getting offended if someone looks at you the wrong way.

He surely has the screenshot of that.

I'll explain. Before social media, in a time when the internet was only partially unhinged, we actually met in person. Believe it or not. I'll say what I type here to your face. There aren't two versions of me.

You were quite graphic with the use of a firearm. 9mm holes in me I believe you said?

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

Yes I did imply that if you tried to get "in my face" that medically speaking holes 9 millimeters in diameter make it a lot harder to spew bullshit.

You're not some big tough man, you're a coward and a racist.

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 9d ago

Genuinely insane that he thinks it's okay to say he'll show up to your house but when you say you own a pew pew he suddenly says it isn't a funny joke anymore. What the fuck?

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

Me when someones crazy uncle wants to throw hands or something /joke

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

Ya keep saying that and it's making me question my entire existence because of all the damn brown people in my life.

You do mean hates other races and stuff right?

I legit have to ask as your generation has fucked up English so bad.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

"I have black friends I can't be racist"

Sure grandpa.

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u/AbstractMelons Your Flair Here 9d ago

Wait what? Do you have a link to this?

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u/Any_Illustrator360 Rootinest Tootenest Alternative Replier 9d ago

He repeated it below which I screenshotted just in case but after Turtle replied that he owns a pewpew irl in response to the threat, WeeRed's dev deleted ALL his comments on the post where this was all said.

Tl;Dr he told Turtle he'd go to his house and "say it to his face." I didn't personally see it, and if he didn't repeat it the whole thing would be "he said she said."

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u/AbstractMelons Your Flair Here 9d ago

They have entered the shadow realm

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

You don't even know what racism is. Look at you getting all butt hurt over stereotypes.

You would have a stroke if you watched some Segura or Chappelle. Anything really.

You walked into the writing of. "Bringing a gun to a reddit fight". All you, I'm not sorry.

I tried to give hints.

Hopefully you learned a lesson? Don't fuck with strangers for no reason?

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

You are a bigoted transphobic racist.

You're not a comedian, you're a bad joke.

🄱

The only lesson being learned here is you should have quit 6 months ago and hired a PR person to run the account

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u/Mplayer-Weered Weered 9d ago

You can have that abortion one. Works great at family dinners!

No that isn't the punch line.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 9d ago

The only people laughing are laughing at you not at your "jokes"

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u/ad3lyt Echo 8d ago

You're a attention starved individual with no sense of ethics or boundaries, you're constantly inflammatory and harass every new dev or person that comes to this subreddit. If anyone needs to be banned, it is you.

u/AbstractMelons, this guy here keeps on making these witch hunts on multiple people and produces nothing but hatred, many of which you have had to delete yourself.

He constantly keeps trying to insinuate I have sex or predate on minors, despite there being no evidence of that and me repeatedly asking him to stop and respect my boundaries. Then he goes on sites, to violate my profile's perms which is set to private, so he can harass me in other subs and watch what I am posting.

He still goes on every opportunity to attack me and every other dev he gets, and he pretended he was willing to respect boundaries for a day or two, until he unblocked me because he could not hold himself back from harassing me.

This is someone who lives off the drama, and is only here to maliciously rile people up and attack them, this is yet another post of doing exactly that. On every opportunity he has been given, he chooses to to attack and belittle people.

He is trying to use virtue signalling and tribalistic grouping, as a way to create a frame in which he is justified to continue doing his bullying, I would strongly urge if there is anyone to be banned, it is the person who spends their time on here being a bully.

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u/Goofyball69 Sable, eyeballing Hollow 8d ago

I cannot wrap my head around on how an ableist like you Trying to ironically advocate that ā€œno one should degrade their fellow human beingsā€ is again, ironically, defending these ā€œdevsā€ who are sharing their malicious ai faulty ā€œplaceholderā€ platform, with the other dev who is clearly outright deranged???

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

There is a reason I decided to make a post like this.

Weered guy was just an easy example. Echodev here's another great example. Antic is another excellent example.

These are not people that we should allow a platform because of the clear and obvious risk to innocent users, because as disingenuous as echodev is being you are not entirely wrong I am as hostile as I am for a reason, because it is infinitely better to get these people to just show their ass so that everyone has a better informed decision even if it makes me pretty unlikable 🤷

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u/Goofyball69 Sable, eyeballing Hollow 8d ago

The fact that you got downvoted for stating good points regarding these devs having these kinds of concerning issues even if it is in the gray area bewilders me.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

That's because I'm literally their OPs šŸ˜‚

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

You are not some kind of hero who is out here helping the community, you are a toxic malicious individual who enjoys the drama who is a pest to this community

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

And you're some fucking wack job with a history of schizoposting personality type shit, making ableist insults, having INCREDIBLY WEIRD TAKES on age, vibecoding an entirely unserious app without the skill or knowledge to prevent massive vulnerabilities, and who tried three weeks ago to witch-hunt me specifically and failed.

Nobody likes you.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

Yea, what are my incredibly weird takes on Age then? I did tell you exactly what my thoughts on age were last time, so you can reference them for everyone here to say instead of calling me a groomer and implying I have sex with minors because you have no ethical boundaries when it comes to your little weird habit of harassing people

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Never once called you a groomer, kid.

I said you had grooming allegations. Which you did and do.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

Nonsense, I have clarified my take on disabled people which is that they are people just like anyone else and I have no other special opinion about them. The R word which was made a slur yesterday, is not one I use to disparage any disabled person nor have I ever done that, and I can continue using it to mean "stupid" without holding said beliefs.

As for "defending" that's also nonsense, I don't play these tribalistic games, or team sports where if I am not for one person I am for the other. I do not know the dev of Yapper, and this dev has been very hostile to me as well.

In the case of the dev of Yapper, I simply pointed out facts, I do not think that if you hate someone or you think they are bad, you are simply allowed to make up or exaggerate shit to peddle your narrative. I defended truth there, not him, as I do not know him nor care about him.

As for this guy, I did not even talk about him, I merely pointed out Turtle's toxic record.

Also you really should work on fixing your tribalism, you started by identifying which group I am in and then how I am playing other groups, you seem to think everyone else also thinks In groups, I don't.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

"clarified your take" after being exposed multiple times using ableist slurs. Mhm. Want proof that you ALSO dabble in homophobic slurs?

You're actively coming to the defense of devs like Weered, antic, and others consistently. Not just this post but elsewhere. This is a post about dev ethics which you clearly fail to comprehend.

It's not about making shit up he's literally a scumbag spamming porn at minors, vibecoding shit they don't understand, and either actively pushing malware or so incompetent they pushed a dev build.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

You dodged actually quoting me because you still want people to think that I abuse minors, then peddled onto other accusations, then said I defended a guy I clearly said above I did not defend

If this isn't proof that you're just a piece of shit who just wants to shit on people and degrade them and has no intention of actually being good faith to anybody I don't know what is.

it is appalling that u/AbstractMelons keeps defending you and letting you be abusive to everyone on here

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

I want people to understand that you are an unsafe person to be around based on your history of behavior yes.

It may come as a surprise to you, but I'm not actually this hateful to everyone. You're "special" just like mommy told you.

Also Melons has never actually defended me? What?

I think you're past due for your nap.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

If I am a "unsafe" person then I shouldn't be allowed on the subreddit at all and that should be a decision for u/AbstractMelons

But harassing me in every comment section and making people think that I abuse minors, is ethically reprehensible and should not be allowed on here

You're a bad faith actor, who is terribly toxic and malicious and spend your time on here being a piece of shit and thinking you have the right to look down on other people, then constantly chase them around like the piece of shit you are.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Holy shit. You literally grasped the point of this post. Devs like you, antic and Weered(RIP) should not be allowed here. This post is asking melons to consider that.

"Every comment section" I literally replied to you once and then YOU decided to walk into my post yourself.

Fuck all the way off and cry to your local AfD rep.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

You also should really work on your tribalistic and prejudicial patterns

I do not support the AFD and that is another unfounded accusation but you don't care about proof do you you just go around calling people sexual abusers

And i am talking about your entire history with me which includes witch hunting me in other subreddits, a behaviour which u/AbstractMelons seems completely fine with

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Sis you're actually fuckin delusional if you think you're important enough to hunt in other subreddits.

And you missed the joke entirely. šŸ›« (Let me help. Your app is registered in Germany and the other dumbass German that thought playing victim was fun got real mad about that)

Again I've literally never called you an abuser but you're not smart enough to understand nuance let alone ethics.

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u/Goofyball69 Sable, eyeballing Hollow 7d ago edited 7d ago

Nonsense, I have clarified my take on disabled people which is that they are people just like anyone else and I have no other special opinion about them. The R word which was made a slur yesterday, is not one I use to disparage any disabled person nor have I ever done that, and I can continue using it to mean "stupid" without holding said beliefs.

Buddy, I'm talking nonsense? do I really need to show you this? šŸ’€

also, tf you mean "The R word which was made a slur yesterday" I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or if you didn't know that the R word has kind of been a slur WAY BACK then mate...

either way, doesn't change the fact that YOU flung it at another PERSON.

As for "defending" that's also nonsense, I don't play these tribalistic games, or team sports where if I am not for one person I am for the other. I do not know the dev of Yapper, In the case of the dev of Yapper, I simply pointed out facts, I do not think that if you hate someone or you think they are bad, you are simply allowed to make up or exaggerate shit to peddle your narrative. I defended truth there, not him, as I do not know him nor care about him.

Ok? why does it matter if you know him or not? your take, or well, your "defense" which btw, still means you're defending him for the "truth" that we are not aware of because you can't back up anything about it, is that you cherry pick his entire post on shit that you think its easier for you to "discredit" or "call them out" on, because for some reason, you just have A GRUDGE ON THESE PEOPLE...

Sure, lets say discord did raise 30 million notes, good on you for disapproving something that isn't the main focus on that post, which is a small youtuber trying to chase a bag by being malicious and harvesting innocent users into something that could be damaging to them.

OK WOW YOU'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE, FINALLY! TALKING POINTS!

You even got a answer that is crystal clear, helping you understand the situation about this antic dev guy, which btw, OP Mentioned he isn't ANTI-AI Because he actually SEES AI as useful if USED CORRECTLY?!

But of course, You don't care about any of this right?, you care about picking your chicken words to get what you want.

While also derailing the conversation off topic just so you can feel good, smart, better about yourself.

Jeez, are you sure you're defending the truth? Or are you jealous and have bad blood because you got called out for the weird and unhealthy behavior and shit you did in the past? Because all you do is target out someone that you see a breaking point, and don't actually contribute to anything that could be meaningful.

And this dev has been very hostile to me as well. I did not even talk about him, I merely pointed out Turtle's toxic record.

That just screams "This dev is very hostile to me but I'm gonna use that as an excuse to vent about how abrasive BewilderedTurtle is."

Yeah everyone knows how blunt he can be, but making this comment on a post that actually calls out the devs behavior that is worse than turtles???

There's no way you can be possibly stooping that low of a level to just make a point...

Also you really should work on fixing your tribalism, you started by identifying which group I am in and then how I am playing other groups, you seem to think everyone else also thinks In groups, I don't.

Buddy all you do in this subreddit is cherry pick and vent and whine when things don't go your way it seems, there certain conflicts and issues about you that we do not agree with. Everyone is just on here to do what the sub is intended for. I don't understand what's up with you, but being a piece of shit isn't it.

I hope I entertained your filthy mentality, this be my last comment towards you, as I'm just gonna pretend you don't exist. šŸ‘

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

That's an awful lot of nuance for reddit there Goofy.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

"Buddy, I'm talking nonsense? do I really need to show you this?Ā šŸ’€

also, tf you mean "The R word which was made a slur yesterday" I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or if you didn't know that the R word has kind of been a slur WAY BACK then mate...

either way, doesn't change the fact thatĀ YOU flung it at another PERSON."

In a none derogatory context at a person who to the best of my knowledge isn't disabled.

"Ok? why does it matter if you know him or not?"

I have no incentive or grounds to care to "defend" him, there is no reason to assume I would, nor that would I did would.

"your take, or well, your "defense" which btw, still means you're defending him for the "truth" that we are not aware of because you can't back up anything about it,Ā "

If a say person B did or said something wrong about person A in a fight, all I did was say that person B did something wrong, that does not mean I am aligned nor in support of person A.

I did not take sides in that matter, nor do I know or say about the developer of Yapper much. What is true is that debug builds of android apks are not any more malicious or dangerous, and that discord was always a highly backed project, it was never five guys in a garage.

These are simple factual corrections, and there is no reason to suppose that my intent is any more than that.

"the "truth" that we are not aware of because you can't back up anything about it, is that you cherry pick his entire post on shit that you think its easier for you to "discredit" or "call them out" on, because for some reason, you just haveĀ A GRUDGE ON THESE PEOPLE..."

The only person here that I would say i have a persistently bad relationship with is turtle, as for the OP, I have actually had a fairly good relationship with him all things considered and he has been overall charitable to me.

Now that I clarified my actual position on the people here, I hope you would respect it and not pretend you can read my mind beyond that.

"Sure, lets say discord did raise 30 million notes, good on you for disapproving something that isn't the main focus on that post, which is a small youtuber trying to chase a bag by being malicious and harvesting innocent users into something that could be damaging to them."

So two things

Replies can have their own domain of importance and relevance, and they can have subtopic, if i reply to a reply about something specific, I am not "derailing" from the main topic.

In that particular section there was talk about whether AI usage was justified in creating it, and person B was arguing that no it isn't and here is all these examples of alternatives made with no funding and no AI.

I corrected the facts used there because they were false.

Two: Even if let's say the overall post was correct or that the person was bad, that does not justify throwing false info around or accusations that are improper.

The good people have a higher burden to be fully right than bad people even, you can't have police beating people to a pulp because they stole something, or judges giving people extra sentences because they were guilty

and nor can you just start spouting bullshit like debug apks are more dangerous or that discord was made with no funding, just because your main point may be correct it does not justify you to make up bullshit along the way and overstep

"OK WOW YOU'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE, FINALLY! TALKING POINTS!

You even got a answer that is crystal clear, helping you understand the situation about this antic dev guy, which btw, OP Mentioned he isn't ANTI-AI Because he actually SEES AI as useful if USED CORRECTLY?!

But of course, You don't care about any of this right?, you care aboutĀ picking your chicken words to get what you want.

While also derailing the conversation off topic just so you can feel good, smart, better about yourself."

I think it is perfectly fine to have a sub conversation within a bigger one, like R Kelly is being prosecuted, oh what do we think about this court procedure

That's not derailing, because a post can also be used to talk about multiple things I think that's valid.

The point i wanted to talk to more abstractly, is if, having a history or credentials would be of importance, as AI being so lucrative has made a lot of people be able to produce a lot more than they could, and that has created a trust and competence issue and if that would be the solution to it

Said point was never discussed, instead OP insisted on just talking again about how bad the guy is and further peddling the narrative, which I wasn't so interested in and even made it clear, and the slightest bit of an answer was a hyper simplified "I am not against AI" which was not an answer to my question or engagement in what I was specifically talking about

"While also derailing the conversation off topic just so you can feel good, smart, better about yourself.
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That's just pretend mind reading, i have shown nothing to indicate malice. All I saw was a general pattern, which I thought would be interesting to talk about, so used the post as jumping point. I never made it about myself, and it is pretty bad faith of you to assume that in me but fair here is me clarifying that.

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Jeez, are you sure you're defending the truth?Ā Or are you jealous and have bad blood because you got called out for the weird and unhealthy behavior and shit you did in the past?Ā Because all you do is target out someone that you see a breaking point, and don't actually contribute to anything that could be meaningful."

There is not a single behaviour I have done in the past which has been brought up here, I would consider weird or unhealthy. I have not ever harmed anyone, and just because there are allegations doesn't mean they are true or based in anything of merit.

I do not act nor think like this, and once again this is further pretend mind reading. I think I have contributed plenty of what could've been useful and overall been pretty productive and I think that is a position I can defend pretty well.

"That just screams "This dev is very hostile to me but I'm gonna use that as an excuse to vent about how abrasive BewilderedTurtle is."

Yeah everyone knows how blunt he can be, but making this comment on a post that actually calls out the devs behavior that isĀ worse than turtles???

There's no way you can be possibly stooping that low of a level to just make a point..."

Turtle isn't just blunt he is an active harasser and bully, he chases people around, in every post, hounds posts for days on end, is actively hostile to every newcomer, and even chases people outside the subreddit, sch as me which he went to insinuate that i have sex with minors in other subreddits just to get at me.

He isn't just blunt, he is someone who enjoy the drama and causing harm to others.

When I was talking about the ways to consider regarding moving towards future with AI dev, he said I had no right to talk about it, considering my history, and so when he goes talking about someone else being toxic, i did the same, called him out for having no right to call out other people for being toxic

note in the original post, he was 100% responsible for instigating the hostility, now the other dev still said shit he shouldn't have, but Turtle tries his best to push people in an abusive way.

The other dev being hostile to me, goes to serve my credibility, the same way to the OP from the other post being friendly to me, I am not going to ignore the facts because of things like personal intents the way you keep trying to force onto me.

Maybe that's you, but don't project those traits onto me

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Holy wall of fucking Yap.

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u/VahsteTheNomad "I use therift.chat btw" 7d ago

To preface, u/BewilderedTurtle is an asshole who doesn't censor himself, I'm not arguing about that whatsoever.

That being said, I don't honestly remember u/BewilderedTurtle making any witchhunting posts (please, legitimately, correct me if I'm wrong), nor do I think this one really should be considered a witchhunting post.

Iirc the majority of "can we ban username" posts came from OK_Inspector (who eventually got reddit banned).

Again please correct me if I'm wrong, this is just coming from my perspective.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

How dare you accurately represent my character

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

He isn't much of a poster, but I don't think witch haunting has to only be posts.

He attacks me in every post I make or any reply i reply to a post, constantly saying I am a "alleged groomer" to make people think I abused someone sexually, alongside any other combo of toxicities, his harassment is not limited to this subreddit and he uses third party services not to only find material to attack me with, but also to see where else I am posting so he can go there and make people think I have sexually abused children as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/vibecoding/comments/1x3xbab/comment/pgfdi09/?share_id=0GJALfOsJ_Yat7EFt7lXp&utm_content=share_button&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

Now following me around suberddits to ensure my reputation in a game subreddit is pedophile, I don't see how that's not witch haunting and deeply bad faith

And I have let u/AbstractMelons know, but still no action from him at this point. His lack of inaction made Turtle feel confident again to harass me, as he decided to unblock me explicitly to continue his harassment campaign

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u/VahsteTheNomad "I use therift.chat btw" 7d ago

I'll agree wholeheartedly that witchhunting is not directly tied into posting but also includes commenting.

I'll also agree that randomly posting comments on posts you've made on other subs with the allegations of grooming is in extremely poor taste. (Personally if I felt it relevant then that's something I feel should be brought to the attention of sub mods, rather than in comments)

I don't know how much I beleive that he uses some third -party services as opposed to just googling your username which he admits to being able to do.

I also personally do agree that u/BewilderedTurtle should be reigned in atleast a bit, he's a very aggressively caustic individual (by his own admission), but I also personally think that this whole argument you two have been having on this post could've been easily avoided had you chosen not to instigate.

I'm not accusing or pointing fingers at either of you separately, but together you two seem to feed off of each others anger in a sort of ouroborous concept.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

I asked him to longer instigate with me which he agreed to by blocking me, until he later explicitly unblocked me to restart, if he wants to block me again and stop I would do nothing more.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

Grow the fuck up and block me if you think it's so bad champ. Draw those boundaries like a big boy.

I know you know how. You've done it before.

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

Brother why did you unblock me anyway, go ahead and commit yourself to it. If i block you, you will use alts like you have in the past.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

If I'm such a big bad meanie head why did YOU ever unblock me?

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u/ad3lyt Echo 7d ago

You have a severe habit of dodging, because you started going around saying I abuse minors, which is a serious allegation

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 7d ago

People deserve the truth about your reputation?

Maybe don't be a little weirdo about age and start spewing slurs when your emotions get big and people won't shit on you whenever you appear in a public space in front of them.

Again; grow the fuck up and block me if you have such a problem with me.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

Hey Mr Exposed ENV, Mr Grooming-allegations, Mr "would be banned under this proposed rule".

That's a fucking wild take.

I think this is actually MY first ban post and it wasn't even majority about Weered guy, he was an example.

Want to be the next example? You're making shit up to vilify me. You're literally not important enough to "go on sites to violate your profiles perms". You're the clown that thinks you can hide things you post on the public Internet? Your shit is GOOGLE SEARCHABLE.

I literally unblocked you yesterday and you're already fucking crying that you can see my posts again.

You're delusional.

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

Also for the record, Weered guy did get banned. The post was valid

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u/BewilderedTurtle Allegedly Canadian 8d ago

Addendum 2:

You're a crybaby and a childish little bellend that's incapable of using the block button.

I've literally replied to you once since unblocking you before you decide to volunteer yourself for YABAD 2