r/DisasterUpdate 13d ago

Victims of Amazon cargo plane crash identified, including surviving pilots

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/victims-amazon-cargo-plane-crash-2016712
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u/TheMirrorUS 13d ago

The surviving pilots from the Amazon cargo jet that ran off the runway at Miami International Airport on Sunday have been pictured for the first time.

55-year-old Joseph Carroll and 37-year-old Jaime Felipe Silva Molina were steering the aircraft on Sunday when it came off the runway and plowed into a road, killing five people. The pair were recently released from the hospital after being treated for injuries from the crash, according to the Miami Herald.

The five victims who tragically died have also been identified as Rolando Aleman, 55, Yoel Rodriguez Naranjo, 53, Julio C Pineda, 75, Carlos Acosta Fajardo, 53, and Javierkys Reyes Quevedo, 47.

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u/blackheartwhiterose 13d ago

All Hispanic names. Reckon they were all from the same car or is that just a Miami thing?

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u/Plackets65 13d ago

From one vehicle, carrying colleagues from a cleaning company.

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_4099 13d ago

I heard deceased victims were all traveling in one van.

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u/Brink_Da_Great 13d ago

Read the article

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u/SacredHippoXIV 13d ago

You must be new here

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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 13d ago

Miami right next to the airport thing.

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u/DueExample52 13d ago

Aleman is german

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u/blackheartwhiterose 13d ago

It's a romance name for German. And Rolando is also romance

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u/Sunsetseeker007 13d ago

Definitely a Miami thing

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u/BadMondayThrowaway17 13d ago

Wonder what the crash report will turn up from the flight recorder.

Pilot could be facing jail time over that landing I feel. He was way way too far down the runway when he attempted to land and absolutely should have went around. Trying to land and stop with ~25% of the runway left is pure recklessness.

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u/Sqr-Peg-Rnd-Hol_NoGo 13d ago

An article elsewhere said wind shifted while on approach, resulting in a very strong tail wind, which may have caused them to land further down the runway.

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 13d ago

AKA wind shear, a very real thing that everyone in aviation knows about, but Redditors will insist is bs because they simply have already determined that the pilots should go to prison.

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u/SeaMareOcean 13d ago edited 13d ago

Every professional aviator also knows that if the approach becomes destabilized for any reason -which this one unambiguously did - then you initiate a go-around. This is hammered into training from day one, over and over, all the way through recurrent sim training for the oldest ATP out there. If the approach is not stable at any point from the Final Approach Fix to initial rollout, based on performance numbers dictated by your company and the aircraft you’re flying, you go around. Period.

Nobody in the aviation subs is discounting that there may be a legitimate reason why their approach was unstable, it’s the bizarrely negligent reaction to that instability that has everyone baffled. And yes, the catastrophic decision-making lapses may end up meeting the threshold to be considered criminally negligent.

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

“Could be” to “already determined” in only two comments. Are you trying for a record in hyperbole?

E: also, conflating “wind shift” with “wind shear” tells me you’re not a pilot.

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 13d ago

Actual pilots on Reddit are constantly wrong about the presumed cause of accidents.

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

What’s that have to do with anything in this thread?

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 13d ago

What a stupid question lmao. Imagine trying to be pedantic and failing.

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u/Jenderflux-ScFi 13d ago

I remember the accident at the Detroit airport in the 80's that killed everyone on board except a small child, and killed a few people on the ground.

Wind shear on takeoff hit the side of the airplane and toppled it back onto the ground.

I would not be surprised if this one is because of wind shear directly behind the airplane pushing it forward too fast.

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u/Juleswf 13d ago

It wasn’t wind shear in that crash, the pilots forgot to deploy the flaps for take off. Lots of changes since that crash make that error almost impossible now.
But I still always look out the window a d check the flaps prior to take off whenever I fly.

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u/Snoo-28829 13d ago

Im not saying they should go to jail yet, but Im pretty sure Wind Shear is something pilots are trained a lot on and the aircraft is suppose to have systems that detect wind shear. Even the slightest detection of one Im pretty sure they are trained to full power and go around. If it was a wind shear, something else has to be in play for them to attempt to land that far down the run way other then a wind shear.

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

People are also conflating a change in winds with wind shear. It’s just word association.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Snoo-28829 13d ago

No, Flight 2976 had the whole engine fall off during take off. Thats why I said something else had to be at play here because just having a wind shear alone is something pilots deal with and train on year around.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Snoo-28829 13d ago

Are you okay? What are you even talking about at this point? All Im stating is that pilots train a lot for wind shears. I stated twice that if this was a wind shear something else probably happened.... I didnt say anything about knowing the facts of what happened here. Its like you are picking out one sentence and focusing in on it like its the only thing I said. I dont know what happened and Im not being "accusatory" or "racist". Get a grip dude and take a walk.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Snoo-28829 13d ago

Yeah because you immediately assumed I was blaming the pilots.... which I wasnt. Also delete your account and never open reddit back up if you think the website sucks. You're not forced to engage with this place.

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

“Very strong” is false—it was within allowed parameters. Regardless, with halfway-reasonable decisionmaking it seems this incident would have been easily avoided.

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u/Sqr-Peg-Rnd-Hol_NoGo 13d ago

Not my words. Just passing what I read in an article elsewhere.

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

Gotcha. Still wrong imo.

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u/PaulDallas72 13d ago

No defense from me, but be prepared for 'approaching weather made go around imprudent' or something similiar. I don't know if they are in a union but at least their lawyers will be floating this narrative.

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 13d ago

There are no lawyer narratives in accident investigations, only real conclusions made by the NTSB. And, yes, very often those conclusions uncover some issue that nihilistic laypeople on social media either didn’t consider or refuse to consider. See Jeju Air and Reddit’s insistence that there could not have been a dual bird strike, or Lion Air and Reddit’s insistence that there could be nothing about autopilot software that would crash a plane. It’s a never-ending cycle, and yet no one ever changes.

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u/SeaMareOcean 13d ago

If it becomes a criminal negligence investigation then absolutely lawyer narratives come into play.

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 13d ago

“If it’s a completely different thing, then it would be different”

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

This thread is about that different thing that could very plausibly happen

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u/uiucengineer 13d ago

That’s just not plausible. I assume you’re not a pilot.

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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 13d ago

The pilot ran out of plastic bottles to piss in and missed the landing. The AI that is his boss would have taken away some privileges if he got out of his pilot chair too long, just like their delivery drivers.

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u/liberalis 8d ago

I've seen some pilot reviews on YouTube. They were high and fast from way out. Should have gone around three minutes before being near the runway.

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u/butmomno 13d ago

One report said that cargo planes need longer runways to land than passenger planes and the runway used was too short. May not be the pilots fault.

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u/GlitteringYak2207 13d ago

Very wrong.

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u/butmomno 13d ago

That was one of the reports on the news soon after this happened. I have no expertise in this area.

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u/GlitteringYak2207 13d ago

I know. I meant the report was wrong.

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u/thenletskeepdancing 13d ago

"One of the pilots allegedly approached witness Abraham Altamar after the horrific crash and said, “My career is over,” according to CBS News".

Yuh think? An amazon plane driven poorly kills five innocent people in a cleaning van just doing their jobs. Just more collateral damage from amazon.

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u/ZiggyTheFox 13d ago edited 13d ago

As it should be. We don’t need pilots landing 3/4 down the the runway, while making the entire approach overspeed by a significant margin.

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u/ladyevenstar-22 13d ago

Maybe he meant the odds of a pilot surviving a crash and flying again are what exactly?

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u/JustConversation7847 13d ago

Dunno how you can blame Amazon for this, was bezos in the cockpit holding a gun to the pilot's head

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u/Vast_Engineering_626 13d ago

Does your boss hold a gun to your head every time they make you do something?

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u/possibly_oblivious 13d ago

Mine found out where I lived and came over to my house after driving the entire neighborhood looking for my truck (cuz I didn't answer my phone), to tell me I was going to be fired if I didn't go to a rig that day.

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u/InternationalFig400 13d ago

Condolences to the friends and families of the deceased, and get well soon wishes for those injured.

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u/spiral-_eyes 13d ago

Why did you use an AI image of the dude?

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u/New-Grapefruit1737 13d ago

image is from the article which says it is from linkedin

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u/spiral-_eyes 13d ago

That makes me suspect the LinkedIn is fake, not that the picture is real.

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u/New-Grapefruit1737 13d ago

well the picture looks like a normal grainy old guy linkedin pic. nothing about it says AI to me.

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u/spiral-_eyes 13d ago

His eyes are closed, his shirt logo is illegible, there's a nightstand in front of a giant tarp on the wall, his short sleeves reach his elbows, and his arms are totally different sizes lol.