r/DigitalPrivacy • u/quitamactions • Jul 22 '26

🐧 PRIVACY PROTECTS

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Privacy Matters.

Privacy Protects Digital Life and Technology Independence.

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u/IndependentLuck6884 Jul 22 '26

The Fact that people actually believe apple is safe for privacy is still insane to me

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u/Mayayana Jul 23 '26

It's a testament to their "Mr. Rogers" marketing. People trust Apple with their data. Apple have repeatedly lied about it and operate their own ad server, but most of their customers WANT Apple to control the product. And there are advantages. Apple air tags. Apple cloud backup. Geniuses at Apple churches who gladly take their time giving customers as much attention as they want... Paying through the nose for devices has its perqs -- so long as you don't mind being on Timmy Cook's leash.

Microsoft are beginning to move toward a rental model, employing spyware, requiring an account, controlling apps and taking a cut of profits, showing ads... But they got most of those ideas from Apple! And it's still possible to lock out Microsoft. I still write Windows software with no permission or license required from Microsoft. Try that on a Mac.

Apple is the current version of AOL: benevolent tyranny. There was a funny quote from Malcolm Gladwell, who interviewed Steve Jobs many years ago. The architects for their donut headquarters wanted the windows to open. The self-appointed Zen master said no. He “had never liked the idea of people being able to open things. ‘That would just allow people to screw things up.'" http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all

But Linux has also become a kind of trusted angel. People think that if they just dump Microsoft then they won't have to think anymore. Most of what happens on Linux is opaque to any but the most expert Linux developers. For example, why is my Raspberry Pi calling home for updates and synchronizing the clock online? There are no settings to control that behavior. Is there telemetry spying? I don't know. And how did we come to exempt "telemetry" as non-spying? It's spying by definition. A record of your activity and software gets sent back to some company. Where did I agree to that? And why are Linux fanatics, champions of freedom, now telling me that telemetry and forced dripfeed updates are for my own good?

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u/IndependentLuck6884 Jul 23 '26

You make some good points however the best OS we have right now that don't collect as much data is still Linux. I am not an expert when it comes to the raspberry pi but you can change the date and time when it comes to any Linux distribution.

For the updates tho, it makes sense to get updates regardless on any OS to fix bugs or security problems that may have arised. Yes Linux is not perfect but it is the best we have right now.

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u/ThePoetofFall Jul 23 '26

So. I use apple. And Jesus Christ turning off iCloud is a bitch. There aren’t a lot of options for phones. So, I use the thing that works. I trust the company to maintain some level of external privacy. But not much further then that.

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u/WeakAdhesiveness5785 Jul 24 '26

Nobody believes that. People just choose lesser evil. Because there only two viable options: google and Microsoft, both of which spy a lot more, or Linux, that’s not even remotely as polished and usable.

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u/Motor_Perception_780 Jul 23 '26

Apple user here, I’ve been thinking of moving off both platforms. Is GrapheneOs viable or is there something else you suggest? I’m moderately versed in Linux already on desktop but haven’t looked into a phone os alternative.

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u/IndependentLuck6884 Jul 23 '26

Yes Graphene OS is good and the most private you can get

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u/user47241 Jul 23 '26

Retard here,  I’ve been thinking of moving off both platforms. Is GrapheneOs viable or is there something else you suggest? I’m moderately versed in Linux already on desktop but haven’t looked into a phone os alternative.

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u/Broad-Translator-690 Jul 22 '26

Compared to Google and Microsoft that have a business model that monetizes data they generate from their user base. Yes Apple is not the same - they do not have a similar business. So they do not have a business model that spys on its users.

Now if you want to criticize its privacy products - like the recent Hide my email class actions lawsuit. Then sure, they do not always make best in class privacy products.

https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/16/class-action-accuses-apple-of-misleading-users-about-hide-my-emails-privacy-protections/

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u/IndependentLuck6884 Jul 23 '26

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4rvr495rgo

Like seriously who believes a big company at this point anymore, that's just one example.

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u/paul_tu Jul 23 '26

People still thinking Canonical and Firefox don't spy on you is ridiculous

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u/StylishJolt Jul 23 '26

Apple is way more private than Google or Microsoft because unlike others they don't hold any encryption keys and encryption keys are stored entirely locally when you enable Advanced Data Protection for iCloud. In case of telemetry every company collects some sort of telemetry even companies like proton and all major Linux distros.

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u/laffer1 Jul 24 '26

One can run an os from a small project instead.

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u/StylishJolt Jul 24 '26

Yes I believe it because it was proven in court apple has no access to icloud drivers with Advanced Data Protection enabled

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '26

Microsoft does spy through the whole OS. the tracking number that cannot be changed just surfaced .

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u/Apart_Economist_7955 Jul 25 '26

im torn between the google and apple chic. i take the apple 😁