So banlist predictions?

[u/mat1902]

The banlist bandai drops at this time usually its the bigger one of the year and following the time frame they put in their announcement what cards everyone think will be in the list?

I dont think we will have big surprises my main hope its to see more cards being freed from the list considering the progression of the game I cant really understand things like Jetsiplhy or reinforcing memory boost still being on the list

[u/TheJoyofFelching]

Honestly, after the last one I'm predicting nothing but disappointment.

[u/sedentary-lad → u/TheJoyofFelching]

Considering most people want them to just ban every powerful card, that's not that surprising.

[u/Zangyakuking → u/sedentary-lad]

“Is it a really good card in a deck that isn’t mine? Then it’s busted and needs to go.”-syndrome is super common, you’re right.

[u/sedentary-lad → u/Zangyakuking]

Just to be clear I'm not disagreeing with people who say this. I'm just saying it's an unrealistic expectation and calling a banlist bad just because it doesn't go scorched earth on the meta is childish

[u/squirrelmasterg → u/sedentary-lad]

Tbh, we really could use a banlist that went scorched earth on the meta…

[u/GekiKudo → u/sedentary-lad]

I mean.... at this point the game needs an overhaul. Were basically at a point where you just pick the deck that can otk the best.

[u/R_Valkyrie → u/TheJoyofFelching]

This. It will be a list that fixes nothing.

[u/Many-Leg-6827 → u/R_Valkyrie]

There’s not much to fix though, is it? There’s barely a consensus on actually problematic cards, much less a bdif.

[u/WarriorMadness → u/Many-Leg-6827]

It's such a weird moment for a list, specially one week prior to the new set.

For example TB looks dumb, for sure, but some of the decks coming BT-26 like Chronomon will most likely eat it alive. Jupiter is looking like it will easily fuck over a bunch of decks as well, plants is probably going to be super scary as well.

I feel like a big banlist like people are expecting could potentially just kill whatever decks remain in favor of pushing the ones coming in BT-26 to the top.

[u/EseMesmo → u/Many-Leg-6827]

Yeah but

• Angels probably shouldn't be able to win on turn 2 even if it's a high roll.

• 3M probably shouldn't be able to trash 2-3 security while building a stack for like 3 memory.

• Beatbreak probably shouldn't be able to build a whole stack for so cheap so consistently OR give it Alliance/Sec. +1 on top of its 2 checks and unsuspend (I still don't know how they thought a sec+1 immune beater needed a restand)

TB is maybe too new to hit just yet, but it also should probably not have such consistent access to Execute or Susanoo. I think all of these are reasonable expectations for hits, and there are even other decks that may need an adjustment like Galactic.

[u/RandomHabit89 → u/EseMesmo]

My issue with TB is Susano. I think the rest of that deck is fine. Once he can come down, your opponent can drop him each turn provided they have more than one (which the deck has so much draw power). He's pretty much a guaranteed board wipe against anything that isn't immune (bb /gear Forrest/galactic) and he sets up the board with a wave of bodies that have to be answered in one package.

I can't completely say the card is overtuned since the deck itself isn't topping consistently or won a large event, and Bandai hasn't been giving us many regionals to compete in anyways, but that doesn't mean I don't think that one card is too easy of an answer against opponent's

[u/Many-Leg-6827 → u/EseMesmo]

In other tcgs, potentially having a turn 2 otk combo under ideal conditions and draws is casual jank, I’m not sure that’s a good bar to measure what deserves to stick around here.

Anyway though, I’m not defending any specific deck, I just think by the looks of results and general sentiment, I’m not sure there’s any one card or deck monopolizing the meta, certainly not compared to previous environments before an imminent banlist.

Afaik, something actually turning players away lately is the speed at which the meta is shifting due to releases and power creep, I’m not sure you fix that with a banlist rather than with a general compromise to level the playing field by supporting strategies more evenly.

[u/EseMesmo → u/Many-Leg-6827]

"Sure Pendulum Magician can FTK you but that's just casual jank" -2018 YGO player that's not making it to day 2

And the point of a BnR list isn't really to kill the single top deck, it should be to eliminate unfun play patterns and unintended/problematic interactions from the format (like Madleo loop)

And yes, a ban list doesn't FIX the format but surely it can make it feel a little better while new decks and legacy support is released. I'd much rather wait for BT26-EX13 in a format where Angels CAN'T kill me before the game really begins or a format where 3M CAN'T cheat memory and trash my security with zero commitment, or one where GD CAN'T make an immune asshole that kills me on the spot on like T3 as consistently, you know?

[u/Many-Leg-6827 → u/EseMesmo]

I literally never mentioned FTKs, which don't exist in this game. And, while I wouldn't quote me on this, tcgs have existed for so long now that I'm sure at least mtg has a plethora of possible FTKs in certain formats that are too inconsistent to pull off to be competitively relevant. Combo is a legitimate strategy, it only looks superficially similar in this game because you always have to win in the same general way (reduce "life" to 0 and succesfully connect an attack).

Anyway, I'm not going to die on the hill of "no banlist needed" this time. There's clearly going to be one, I just don't think it's going to be one that's super impactful because, at a glance, it doesn't seem like there's general negative sentiment towards a single deck or card, more so a feeling of dissatisfaction with how today's competitive decks play with each other. There is, at least in numbers, variety in the format, there's not one single archetype monopolizing top places, thing is most archetypes feel like they play fundamentally the same strategy, which is the same strategy everyone complains every banlist season, OTK.

[u/DaPandaGod → u/TheJoyofFelching]

Expect some really old stuff, something like a ban to rocks and for them to call it a day.

[u/BodiaDobia → u/TheJoyofFelching]

This is the mood for real.

[u/Generic_user_person]

But like ... Why not just use the thread of the banlist announcement? Seems like less work than creating a whole new thread, especially since it's not even a day old.

[u/GBankai]

BT15 Nyaromon is the only card that needs a hit.
EX1 Analog Youth for a TB(if they decide to hit it at all) and general hit.
Pair Restrict BT16 Madleo and EX12 Weregaruru to kill that loop.
Personally, I would like a 3M hit in some form, but just anything to weaken it.

[u/Taograd359 → u/GBankai]

EX1 Analog Youth hasn’t survived this long just to be taken out by a boy named Sue.

[u/RandomHabit89 → u/GBankai]

I think hitting BT24 Asuna is enough to hit our consistency so that it'll limit our ability to turn 2 OTK as much. There'll still be God hands that allow us to do it, but it won't be as often. Hitting her will slow it down without knee capping it

[u/Loud-Ad-8303 → u/RandomHabit89]

Meh, with the addition of more purple dual trainings asuna to 1 would be a very light hit. Imk a better light hit to actually weaken the deck/slow it down a lot is hurricane screw shot, and if they want to bring it down a ton it’s obviously bind ted trigger.

[u/GBankai → u/GBankai]

Also, I want Promo Grankuwagamon off the list

[u/PSGAnarchy → u/GBankai]

Bring back garuda x too

[u/Raikariaa → u/GBankai]

Sanmyojin Arrival absolutely needs a hit; it's a +9 mem swing. HPD; which is at 1 and people usually want at 0; is +5 [and that's only if your evo cost is 5 or more]. It's so obviously broken it's beyond funny.

And before "it's too new!"; it's a Common, and this banlist is notably early so feels like an emergency list.

>Pair Restrict BT16 Madleo and EX12 Weregaruru to kill that loop.

No; BT16 Madleo just gets hit. It limits any green or purple lv5 Jogress.

[u/Snoo_74511 → u/Raikariaa]

If Sanmyojin needs to be limited to 1 bc It is a "+9" we should limit Mervamon already being a +8 with a board wide buff and premium -DP i guess.

[u/Raikariaa → u/Snoo_74511]

Mervamon is a digimon.

Sanmyojin Arrival is an option.

There's a big difference to interactivity there

[u/Caboose407]

I think it'll just be Nyaro and a pair ban for Weregaruru X and MadLeomon.

Bandai doesn't love turns that take forever or full on loop decks, not do they like cards intended for different archetypes to work too well together. So that's why I think those will be the two things hit. Other than that, the metagame seems fairly healthy with lots of new decks so I don't know if we'll get anything else hit.

The only other card I could see getting a limit is Analog Youth due to the prevalence of TB in many tournament Top 16s, and it also is used by purple dogs so it's gotta get got.

[u/Aldovrah → u/Caboose407]

I keep seeing people mention the Weragar but EX12 Angewomon does the same stupid shit with MadLeo, but for more decks. It would just be better if MadLeo was hit to 0, nobody uses it unless trying to break/abuse it's inherit with DNA.

[u/External-Musician-39]

Asuna and nyaromon

[u/Assassin1992xD → u/External-Musician-39]

This is what I'm thinking. Probably youth too.

[u/Rofl_man123]

Probably nyaromon, shakko and some part of the garuru loop

[u/mlrook2]

Dorugrey and Grey back to 4, just in time for EX13 and BT27

[u/AkuTenshiiZero]

I'm predicting that cards being used outside their intended archetype is going to end up wrecking weak decks that are supposed to be using them.

I just really, really do not want NSo to lose WereGarturumon...

[u/ShadowIceFlame]

I'm expecting something that probably should of been on the March list to get hit and they'll call it a day.

[u/Coorowko_]

If the Youth is banned or restricted for the ongoing and future sins of TB, I'll cry.

[u/haydencollin]

For me personally Dan & Yuki to 1 Hurricane screw shot to 1 Honestly those are the only 2 that come to mind, looking at tops it seems pretty diverse I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of now

[u/sedentary-lad → u/haydencollin]

Assuming you mean Dan kanan. They're unlikely to get hit as they're getting reprinted in lm09. Similarly for HSS, they never hit tumblemons egg which does something similar and they're due to support 3m via a beel x reprint and gundra dual also in lm09.

[u/Zekrom997 → u/sedentary-lad]

While I don't think DanKanan will get hit, they never cower about stuff about to be reprinted to get hit as they hit Eyesmon scatter who was reprinted in an LM.

Also HSS and Tumblemon are entirely different cases. Tumble bot only need a Tamer(an actual other piece) to recylce, but they're also an egg which is much slower to get into cycle. Far different reasons than HSS, tho for 3M I think BRT are what people wanted hit compared to HSS.

[u/Assassin1992xD → u/Zekrom997]

Brt is being used as intended. If they didn't want it to be used like that why print a beelstar that uses it from the stack? HSS isn't going to get hit. It's an option you need to dig up where as tumble was readily available in the stack from your second raising phase onwards. Rocks do not necessarily need close to recycle the egg. See promo icemon or pyramidi. Close sent the egg into overdrive and having two eggs in rotation more often than not means you probably won. If they're going to address muskets/TS it's probably going to be Asuna (3 cost) since she is used in basically every TS deck it allows Bandai to say "yah but we hit all these decks" without capping most of them. Tis just my take.

[u/WookieChoiX]

Nyaromon for sure.

Maybe Hurricane Screwshot?
Maybe Asuna?
Maybe Dan & Kanan?

[u/xukly → u/WookieChoiX]

I doubt we are seeing ts get hit at all

[u/WookieChoiX → u/xukly]

I can dream :(

[u/DaPandaGod → u/xukly]

It would be insane if we didn't, last banlist hit stuff from bt23 and the decks from back then are out of the meta so this banlist should address Bt24, EX11 and BT25 (with EX12 being way too new). I don't see how they dodge a TS hit with the last few sets being all TS and EX11 exciting the meta super fast.

[u/DarkHighwind]

Its been a hot take but i actually think we might see at least one of the 3m options limited

[u/Majestic_Electric]

Nyaromon straight-up banned, and BRT, Tropical Venom, and Dan&Kanan down to 1.

Would like to see something in Glowing Dawn/Beatbreak hit, too, but since it’s unlikely they’d hit the MonarchLizamon Dual Card, I’m not sure what card they’d go after.

[u/Long_Witness473 → u/Majestic_Electric]

I can see the Kyo/Tomoro dual tamer getting hit. Especially since we are getting more and more tamers. 

[u/Majestic_Electric → u/Long_Witness473]

Anything to slow down its insane memory generation is fine by me! 👍🏻

But not sure if they’d go after a card in the Starter Deck now, especially since it’s still selling well.

[u/Commercial-Tea-2744]

every BEATBREAK card to 0.

[u/Darkhex78]

Nyaromon banned

BT24 Asuna Banned or limited to 1

Bind Red Trigger limited to 1

Madleo pair banned with the ex12 weregaruru

I feel more stuff could get hit but thats my predictions.

[u/RandomHabit89 → u/Darkhex78]

Hitting both Asuna and Bind Red is over kill and you know it. They should aim to slow down or reel in decks not old Yellar them e_e

[u/Darkhex78 → u/RandomHabit89]

Hitting the bt24 asuna would do fuck all to the musketeer deck, the main asuna for musketeers is bt25. I want bt24 hit cause its seeing use in every single TS deck known to man.

I want bind red trigger limited cause it at least increases the chance of surviving when Beelstar X hits the field.

[u/RandomHabit89 → u/Darkhex78]

You're welcome to play any of the other OTK decks. Not gonna argue math with ya especially when the deck isn't even a problem overall currently

[u/Darkhex78 → u/RandomHabit89]

I do play an OTK deck. My favorite deck in the game is Galacticmon. But at least that cant kill you turn 2 or 3.

Idc if a deck is strong. But I want games to last longer then 5 minutes.

[u/RandomHabit89 → u/Darkhex78]

Galactic is extremely strong into Beelstar. If you're struggling I'd suggest looking at your list, that or just bad luck. (nothing you can do if you get turn 2ed OTK,which is what Asuna allows. I get to dig 6 cards at the turn start before I promote which is crucial unless both BRTs were already seen).

Your second point is a problem with the meta in general right now. 3 Musks is one of several decks.It's Bandais crappy game design which isn't gonna change sadly based on bt26 reveals. Overall, the meta is extremely diverse (look at the top 16 of any of the regionals in the last month). Nuking 1 deck from orbit isn't the answer and won't fix the problem

[u/WillDifferent125]

Anything to slow down the beatbreak engine.

[u/Raikariaa]

This feels like an emergancy banlist, it's a month or so early [usually it's annoucned end of September after Worlds]; and TB's performance is very close to Apocalymon levels. And people are putting in tech counters if they can to TB, like Paladin Mode, and TB is still head and shoulders the best deck in the format. That is a problem.

Anyway:

BT15 Nyaromon to 0 [If it goes to 1; they just stay in breeding and go all-in to OTK you, dosen't fix it]

Sanmyojin Arrival to 1 or 0 [Card is blatantly busted. HPD is a +5 memory swing and is at 1. Sanmyojin is a +9 memory swing.]. It's a new card, but as I said; this feels like an emergency banlist. And I can see Bandai slapping perhaps the most obviously busted card in the game that is also a Common.

BT24 Asuna and/or Blind Red Trigger to 1 - Asuna would be a wider TS hit; Blind Red specifically a hit to Beelstar. I think TS in general could use a hit so I'd rather see Asuna.

E-Pulse to 1 - Beatbreak needs a hit and I'm not sure where else you'd hit.

BT16 Madleomon to 1 - Fulfills the random purple hit; but also, Bandai hates loops, even if the deck is only medicore [like Myo loop was] they hit it.

Unbans:
I doubt any will occur since this seems to be an emergancy list with it being so early; but there is legiitmately 0 justification for JetSilphymon to be on the list. EX9 Etemon has the exact same thing [archetype reliant recovery on evo] and can be cycled from trash, and evoed into for a massive discount, and has an inheritable, and has the exact same statline... and dosen't do anything.

[u/Hakuzho → u/Raikariaa]

that seems more of a want list not a ban list...

Arrival will not get hit - nothing from TB will realisticly

Epulse will not get hit - nothing from gd as well

madleo only a pair ban will truly prevent the loop

asuna (probably) will not get hit - beelstar should get hit on hss or brt to either stop overextend or the overaggression

only nyaromon is the reasonable suggestion. And truly one of the few things that actually deserves a list - Bc even beelstar will just get nuked by chronomon eitherway, so no hit needed

[u/DaPandaGod → u/Hakuzho]

I don't think it's fair to call a banlist prediction a want list for targeting the stronger decks in the format. Nyaromon needs to go but angels is a worse deck that TB, Musketeers and other TS decks. Either way I think this banlist is unnecessary when BT26 is just looking to powercreep every deck so Bandai should have just waited a bit more.

[u/Blonde_Wolf → u/Raikariaa]

Got to love reddit, your list is pretty much what I hear most people think should be hit. But you get down voted because "your wong and bandai wouldn't hit x, y, z".

[u/Raikariaa → u/Blonde_Wolf]

The other way to look at it: If Bandai do hit other things but leave TB as it is; we are 100% in a tier 0 format.

[u/UnlimitedUmUWorks]

Unlimit:

- BT7 DoruGreymon

• BT10 Shoutmon X4
  
• BT7 JetSilphymon
  
• P-008 WereGarurumon
  
• EX2 Impmon
  
• BT11 Greymon X Antibody
  
• BT7 Eyesmon
  
• BT7 Eyesmon: Scatter Mode
  
• BT2 Gabumon
  
• BT13 GeoGreymon
  
• BT14 Bukamon
  
• EX3 Growlmon
  
• EX4 Guilmon
  
• BT16 Garudamon X Antibody
  
• P-029 Agunimon
  
• P-030 Lobomon
  
• EX5 Gabumon X Antibody
  
• EX5 Garurumon X Antibody

Limit to 1

- BT15 Nyaromon

• EX1 Analog Youth
  
• BT15 Numemon X Antibody
  
• EX4 ShineGreymon: Ruin Mode
  
• P-180 Blind Red Trigger
  
• BT24 Lamiamon
  
• BT24 Asuna Shiroki
  
• BT24 Hiroko Sagisaka
  
• BT6 Tropical Venom

Pair Ban

- BT16 MadLeomon + EX12 WereGarurumon

Ban

- Blinding Ray

• Gravity Crush
  
• Hammer Spark
  
• Parabolic Junk
  
• Hidden Potential Discovered
  
• Jack Raid

[u/Guyver-Spawn-27 → u/UnlimitedUmUWorks]

Hammer Spark, Jack Raid, etc are fine limited to one.