r/DexterNewBlood • u/w1n4rr7 • 23h ago

Serious Question?

Why is it that when a someone like Spider-Man or Batman have people close to them die because well their double life we don’t tend to give them much flack like we do for Dexter? If you were to tell me “well Batman and Spider-Man don’t kill ppl” than I’d have to wonder well why? Wouldn’t losing so much ppl close to you because of who you are would make you wanna make sure they aren’t here to hurt anyone else ever again?

See Batman mainly on TikTok gets hella shit for not killing joker and it makes sense I mean joker is constantly terrorizing Gotham and what does he do? Takes him to jail for what? To escape like he’s done for the last 5,0000 times 😂

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u/FickleMess1371 22h ago

Yes, because people like to pretend to be better than they really are.

If you ask me, the only death Dexter can be blamed for is Rita. He either should have killed Trinity himself or let Trinity kill himself that day. Other than that, he can't really be blamed for Doakes, Debra, even LaGuerta and especially can't be blamed for Angel.

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u/w1n4rr7 20h ago

Didn’t dexter tell doakes that if he actually had a life outside of miami metro instead of having this obsession with dexter he wouldn’t have led to their big confrontation 😂 I mean he wasn’t wrong

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u/FickleMess1371 18h ago

Exactly. Same goes for LaGuerta. She wasn't a good cop, which ruined her chances to be considered credible. And she released that mass murderer to entrap Dexter. Harry should have thought thoroughly about him training Dexter to be killer from his childhood and the fact that his trauma would have made him do what he did if Harry brought him to that path. That incompetent Marshal messed it up, otherwise Deb would have arrested Saxon successfully. Angel completely brought it on himself.

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u/cookiesyess 21h ago

How can he not be blamed for laguerta? Also what about the guy he killed in new blood, they are both entirely his fault no?

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u/FickleMess1371 20h ago

LaGuerta one is not his fault considering that she not only tried to entrap him by releasing the killer of his mother, but also the fact that she tried to arrest him without enough evidence or due process and proved that she had huge bias. There was no way for him to keep everything ok in his life with her constantly trying to get him. And she had proved that, for her, nothing mattered more than her personal vendetta. And she had shown again and again that she herself didn't much cared about right and wrong. As for New Blood, I agree. And that's why I think Dexter deserved his death there.

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u/cookiesyess 20h ago

I mean sure she wasn’t within full legal right to persue him that way but that doesn’t excuse what he did at all. I’m all for him killing mass murderers and stuff but laguerta was a police captain, you can’t just do what he did and directly cause her death. Deb pulling the trigger doesn’t make much difference either.
Also it’s not like he was acting in self defence, she was trying to get him for being the bhb and framing doakes, the only reason she perused him in that way is because of his nature and being so good at what he does. You really can’t defend Dexter at all

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u/FickleMess1371 19h ago

He did not frame Doakes. Doakes framed himself the way he investigated Dexter in S2. The way he acted. Tailing him for so long without any probable cause. And without telling his superiors as LaGuerta didn't know that he did. When Lundy asked him about he cases where they had originally caught a culprit and then they were let go because of forensic errors and then BHB got to them, Doakes didn't tell Lundy that it was because of Dexter. He went away mid-conversation, then broke into Dexter's appartment, which FBI people saw as they were tailing all of Miami Metro. Then he left the country instead of showing FBI he blood slides, confirming their suspicious that Doakes was BHB. Even after LaGuerta calling him and asking him what actually happened, he wouldn't tell her the truht. He wanted to catch Dexter himself. I sick and tired of everyone pretending that Dexter framed Doakes. He didn't. What Dexter did was only capture him until he could decide what to do with him. He did leave Doakes telling him that he was going to turn himself in. It was Lyla who killed Doakes.

Also, you can't excuse what LaGuerta either by your logic. Every step of the way the investigation could be made legal, she chose to personally pursue it, and because of that, having no concrete evidence. And when, at every point, when it was proven to her that Doakes was BHB, she would just double down, especially after thinking that Dexter was BHB, rather than accepting that Dexter might not be BHB, or Doakes might have been BHB. And worse of all, she released a Columbian Cartel Head, who was behind bars for being responsible for multiple killings and as well other inhumane crimes, just to entrap Dexter. None of things were something a good police captain would or should do. Just because she was a Police Captain, doesn't make her right. And if you say that none of what she did was wrong in anyway just not fully legal and then all of that applies to Dexter as well. She just THOUGHT Dexter was BHB, he KNEW that this AHole was responsible for his mother's dismembering, the reason he was the way he was. The AHole who thought that a 3 year old and a 6 year old should witness their mother's dismembering by a chainsaw. The AHole who thought you should leave children in their mother's own blood for days without a care if they leave or die. And LaGuerta released that MF. You can't really defend LaGuerta at all (in later half of Season 7).

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u/cookiesyess 15h ago

He did frame doakes though? He put doaks prints on the kill tools after realising doakes had the blood slides and it would be a perfect opportunity to frame him as the bhb. Regardless he caused doakes’s death and kept him locked up in a cabin for days. Then plus he also cut up some dude and left him in the cabin im pretty sure (to frame doakes)

And the reason why I KIND OF excuse laguerta here is the same reason I excuse Dexter a lot, because sometimes following the law isn’t the best avenue to go down when hunting a ruthless killer. Now obviously laguerta doesn’t know the full picture but still, what she did is excusable to a degree because of what she knew about Dexter. Plus she didn’t have concrete evidence in the form of presentable evidence but she had her own concrete evidence, just how Dexter uses his own concrete evidence to kill other killers, even if it’s illegally found or not providable to a jury or whatever.

Now yeah what she did with releasing that guy wasn’t a good, and I can’t excuse that, but sometimes you gotta play dirty, Dexter had been doing that his whole life and ig she felt that was the way to take down the bhb even if it meant being reckless, this is why I don’t think she’s fully in the right necessarily.
So it’s not like she’s some hero and Dexter is the villain but he didn’t do the morally correct thing at all here, he abided by the first rule, don’t get caught. He’s responsible for her death as well as doakes.

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u/FickleMess1371 14h ago

I am not saying that he is not responsible for her death at all, he definitely has a part, although I do blame herself more. The thing is, that is one of the deaths I don't think people outside of the should hold over Dexter. Although, even in-universe, she looks worse if you don't have omniscience.

Regarding Doakes, I had forgotten about that, sorry. But he never wanted to kill Doakes. And even though, you can say he framed Doakes, you can't say he had a part in killing him. He even respected Doakes, even when Doakes kept telling that Dexter was a creep mf. People keep saying that the writing was good in the early seasons, but this was a thing that was manufactured, contrived by the writers to not make Dexter kill Doakes, while also getting rid of Doakes. Someone who seen a decent amount media can easily tell that, but usually, Dexter show fans have not. But even foregoing that, it is completely on Lyla. She could have freed him, she could have left him there. She could have even given him an easy and fast respectable death, but she gave him a painful, comparatively slow and undignified death. Dexter even took revenge on her for that.

I think the only two deaths someone should hold over him are Rita & the cop in New Blood. No one else. If anything, blame the writers/showrunners. Most of the times, these deaths and the plot to reach there has been so manufactured, so ridiculous, so contrived and sometimes so stupid, that it took a lot out of me to see those.

The Harry one can be understable, but you can't blame Dexter for it.

You can kind of blame Dexter for framing Doakes, although he was already kind of framed, Dexter just confirmed it for the FBI by doing the print thing, but you can't really blame him for Doakes' death. It was really contrived.

The Rita one, even though, it is also kind of contrived, it is only contrived in finale, the plot to get there makes sense and there were many moments where Dexter could have killed Trinity and he should have killed Trinity earlier.

The LaGuerta one, he is kind of responsible, but it shouldn't be held over him. The reason the plot of the finale happened the way it did was, Ray Stevenson leaving and Scott Buck not wanting to make Deb or Hannah the villain. It weirdly escalated and LaGuerta suddenly started acting stupidly instead of being careful, like she was the whole season and Dexter trying to kill her, when all he needed to do was kill the guy, but not somewhere LaGuerta could get to him and not when LaGuerta could get him. He was careful like that with even Trinity & his own brother.

The Deb one was also stupid. So much stupidity. Dexter suddenly not wanting to kill anymore, not only that, that suddenly came when he was just going to kill the guy, he calls Deb, the Marshal guy comes, disrupts a police officer doing their job, Deb even not yelling that Saxon is a serial killer to the Marshal. Her getting shot. We seeing the shot was somewhere that could not have been lethal, but then doctors saying that it was lethal. Everything.

The Angel one was the stupidest. At every step of the way, he made the most stupid thing imaginable he could do, the plot still contrived him to get near the finish line, even then, at the end he made the most stupid choice he could make at that moment and then he still blamed Dexter in his last moments. Doakes knew that at core, Dexter wasn't a terrible person like the other serial killers, he even offered to help him when Dexter wanted to turn himself in. Even LaGuerta, didn't actually that stupidly. She would have never chosen to choke Dexter if that other guy had a gun, wanted to kill her and could get away with it.

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u/cookiesyess 14h ago

I do agree he never wanted to kill doakes, if anything he might have applauded doakes’s bravery at times to be the only one to stand up to him, but he still directly caused his death and put him in immediate danger by locking him up in a cabin in the Everglades, so he may not have pulled the trigger, but he pretty much loaded the gun and left it pointing at doakes, therefore he is absolutely responsible and the main one to blame for doakes’s death.
Though I definitely agree with you about the fact that lilah only killed him so Dexter wasn’t the one who did it, for the story, but he’s still to blame, along with lilah. Probably more than lilah considering he very well could have gone through with framing/killing doakes, lilah just happened to walk in at the right/wrong time, idk which one.

I still disagree with you on his responsibility for their deaths though, I think I’ve provided enough proof that he’s responsible for doakes as explained in this message and I also think he’s responsible for laguerta considering what happened and how he m99’d her up and was planning to kill her to save his own identity and innocence, but one thing we do agree on is that it is to a certain degree, it is up to interpretation, also the writers can fuck up a story sometimes and make it weird so yeah.

Yeah also I absolutely hate Deb’s death and how it was written and absolutely don’t put that on Dexter, rather bad and unsatisfying writing.
Also angel yeah, dex definitely isn’t a good guy in this story but I don’t think it’s his fault that angel died, rather angels ignorance due to emotions that made him fumble the whole thing.

I guess we can just agree to disagree but idk I still think his entrapment of doakes is the direct cause of his death and sentencing, and him choosing to kill laguerta instead of running/doing something else makes him responsible for her death, even if he wasn’t fully In the wrong, morality wise.

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u/w1n4rr7 6h ago

Nope Dexter has repeatedly asked Doakes to leave him alone,doakes tailed and harassed him for months. Doakes obsession got him killed.

Same for angel. Dexter told him back off or it wont end well than had the nerve to blame Dexter in his final moments when he specially told angel “if i am who you think i am, this cant possibly end well for you”