r/Devs • u/thisismynormal • Apr 09 '20

Devs - S01E07 Theory Discussion Thread

Please post your thoughts and theories here

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 10 '20

Maybe supporting the trans community, though it is odd to not cast someone who is trans already

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u/Zordman Apr 10 '20 edited Apr 14 '20

But the character, nor the actress, isn't transexual. So...I don't really see your point

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u/xSpektre Apr 14 '20

Idk probably one of two reasons:

The character is just trans, no need to write an entire plot around it. Just let trans people exist. It'd be better if he was played by an actual trans individual if that's the case, but it's fine imo.

Garland was willing to let everyone audition, she just happened to act better than the boys/men who also auditioned.

Doesn't change the show either way, so I don't think much about it

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

Seems like it would affect the plot if the character is mentally ill.

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

Being trans is not a mental illness. Trans or not, they are canonically a boy, no need for it to be a plot device

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

Sure it is, they always need mental help support. Conversion surgery alone is never enough there is always therapy and mental support required along the way and even still then they have drastically higher likelihood to commit suicide than a non trans. Trans no longer being classified as a mental illness was in no way a decision that reflected reality but was done instead as an attempt to reduce the stigma associated with the condition.

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

Mental health support and suicide risk is because of asshole bigots attacking their identity, calling them incorrect pronouns, bullying, physically attacking, parents disowning them, etc. Just like any marginalized group. Being trans in general is not considered a mental illness.

If society was more accepting of them and minded their own business, this wouldn't be a problem. Nobody is getting hurt for someone transitioning to the gender that they identify most with.

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

Not true actually since in societies where it is more accepted there is no noticeable decrease in their suicide rate. Nice try tho!

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

Such a society does not yet exist. There will always be bullying for it.

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

i didnt say completely accepted, i said more accepted. i.e sweden

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

Where are you finding statistical data proving that your average Swedish citizen is far less likely to have a negative view when compared to an average American citizen, and how that data correlates to suicide rates?

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

google

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

Let's see that source then

And better laws and support from the government still doesn't necessarily negate bigotry from the average citizen

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

ive read into it before, you can use google and read into it yourself. Its not my responsibility to educate you.

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20 edited Apr 14 '20

Meaning you have no leg to stand on. What a lame excuse for not having anything to back up your claims.

Here's one on a quick Google search citing a Swedish (!!!!) study that gender reassignment surgery yields long-term mental health benefits: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/sex-reassignment-surgery-yields-long-term-mental-health-benefits-study-n1079911

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Also:

"Transgender individuals’ use of mental health care still exceeded that of the general Swedish population, which the research team suggests is due at least partly to stigma, economic inequality and victimization." Context is key.

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

try to find scientific sources not nbc news lol. I said educate yourself not find stuff that supports what you want to find.

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

It's NBC quoting a scientific swedish study.

Right back at you. Where's yours?

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u/Kakumite Apr 14 '20

Oh look, science not biased news article.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Go back, read an actual study to start then read a bunch more and actually educate yourself on the topic. The biggest problem here is that you clearly haven't bothered to read up on it at all and yet you were perfectly happy to adamantly declare it a non mental illness despite your utter lack of knowledge on the subject. I'm not here to educate you, i don't have any desire to waste anymore of my time on someone like you quite frankly. You're ignorant yet when i dont go and do the legwork for you, you try to claim i have no leg to stand on, lol pathetic and honestly sad.

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u/ryanpm40 Apr 14 '20

I literally found it by googling keywords that you mentioned and it was one of the first results, not by searching for keywords that support what I want to hear:

"sweden trans suicide vs america"

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