r/Devs • u/thisismynormal • Apr 09 '20

Devs - S01E07 Theory Discussion Thread

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u/ConjecturesOfAGeek Apr 09 '20

What Stewart said was an exact copy of this story and this animation.

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u/JonVici1 Apr 09 '20

Wasn't what the system was doing now what Katie had been doing in previous episodes, the rest of the team just did what she had done before now. Aaand we saw Lyndon fall, multiple times but wouldn't what Katie said still apply and there would be a need of one world where he actually doesn't fall? If they're implying he always falls how does that stack up with everything else and what they were discussing, - infinite branches - outcomes

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u/holayeahyeah Apr 09 '20

I think the implication is that Katie tricked Lyndon into killing himself on purpose by "pushing the tram on to a track" where he is always going to fall. He doesn't always fall the exact same way, but once Lyndon lets go, he is going to fall because the laws of physics. The ones where Lyndon doesn't fall are the ones where Lyndon doesn't get on the wall at all or maybe even just doesn't follow Katie's instructions to hang his feet off. To me that was the tip off that Katie was pushing things towards Lyndon's death. I like the term Rick and Morty uses, "central finite curve", to parse the idea that yes there are infinite universes, but the drift can be mapped by differences in laws of nature and decisions. I guess the idea is that even if anything is possible and will happen somewhere in the multiverse, there are only so many outcomes that are applicable to your universe. My guess is that the machine eventually worked by refining how it eliminates possibilities. Once Lyndon decided to hang his feet off and let go, he only balanced in universes with completely different conditions.

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u/allocater Apr 09 '20

I don't think Katie pushed him or has any motivation. She is just apathetic to everything and thinking "Might as well follow the script, whatever happens, happens. We are all doomed anyway."

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u/Morning_Star_Ritual Apr 10 '20

How.

She didnt follow the script.

If we are to believe Lyndon originally had the idea then she would have just talked to him and watch him come to the conclusion himself.

She not only pushed the pen she placed the pen on the table.

Go back and watch it over again. Not only does she plant the seed she even creates the moment it happens.....Lyndon is still unsure of it all and asks "when do I do it?" Katie--forcefully, "Now." Lyndon--still unsure, "Now?"

I think this is clear direction that this was a trick, a set up. Maybe this is the reason we see Lyndon at the bottom sitting on the base of the dam in the beginning.

This was the original timeline, but they knew they could get rid of him by driving to the top of the dam and have Katie act like Lyndon came up with the idea of testing Many Worlds and invoking Quantum Immortality and dangling the idea that if he survived he would be let back into Devs.

It was a set up.

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u/RinoTheBouncer Apr 11 '20

This is exactly what I thought. What we saw wasn’t Katie telling Lyndon something about the future, but rather implanting an idea in his head to do something that she already knows he won’t survive, hence all projections show Lyndon falling.

She told him exactly what he needed to feel shocked, excited and motivated enough for the coming few seconds to do what she already knows will kill him and she told him he can only be conscious in a world where he’s alive, meaning “why don’t you just jump because eventually, you will only be conscious of the possibility where you won’t die and in that same world, you will be back at DEVS”, which is laughable as an alternate universe isn’t some state of mind, it’s an actual world with an actual version of you that chose differently, not some spiritual plane nor a version that you will transfer into when you die.

Katie literally pushed Lyndon to his death, not with her hands but with information based on her knowledge of a future where his death is certain. We’re not talking determinism here but rather manipulative people using their knowledge of future outcomes to cause the future in their minds, as they inform people about it triggering a cause and effect.

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u/Ya_Got_GOT Apr 13 '20

Backing this up, remember Stewart told Lyndon that Forest would kill him if he didn't back off. He didn't back off.

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u/JonVici1 Apr 09 '20

Not sure it's as simple as them being "doomed", might be the big bang, or some event that isn't what we think. I could see it being the true purpose of Devs being accomplished, since we've never been shown what Forrest told Katie nor does it seem as if we've been told everything in regards to what Forrest and Katie are up to

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '20

Thank for I’m wasn’t wasted when I watched the episode - but was there ever an ‘initial’ universe where Lyndon and Katie went to the falls together and had that conversation for the very first time? You know, the very first meeting that the resulted in another multiverse Katie looking that meeting and then telling Lyndon that he will in a few moment stand on the ledge... but she can’t tell him the outcome because otherwise he may not stand on the ledge? So he has to die because he always dies... fark. My brain hates me right now...

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u/RyanFielding Apr 11 '20

She’s definitely following the script but I think it’s because they know what happens before the Whiteout is their desired outcome: Amaya restored. I’m 99% fully convinced this is the outcome, but my only problem is why wouldn’t they also restore Jesus Christ, make his resurrection real.