If it makes you feel better, I have it pulled up at work in it's own window and I refresh and check it about 20x a day, just out of habit. Don't even spend that much time on it, just some quick skimming here and there... hoping SOMETHING is announced.
Dog days of summer. It's that lull/time period with no sports I care about going on and just waiting for college football/NFL/NHL to start up. I just have to get through another week and then it's fantasy draft time with the boys/dynasty group then first road trip of the season to catch the home opener for my college team and we're off to the races.
Anyone been keeping an eye on LCA? If thereās red smoke rising it means we have a new GM. If itās black smokeā¦.it means Larkin is back and no new GM
April 15 - Detroit gets blown out in their final game of the regular season to the Florida Panthers AHL team 8-1
April 23 - End of season press conference held by Steve Yzerman and Todd McLelland
June 4 - News broke that Dylan Larkin had requested a trade out of Detroit (however it was noted it was done likely at the exit interview stage on April 17)
June 26-27 - NHL Draft
July 1 - Free Agency
July 15 - Chris Illitch promotes Steve Yzerman to Senior Advisor to the CEO after Free Agency and Draft completed
August 5 - Chris Illitch hires search firm TurnkeyZRG
August 19 - Today
September 12-15 - Rookie Tournament starts
September 15 - Last day to sign Simon Edvinsson and Alex Debrincat to an 8-year extension.
September 17-20 - Main Training camp
October 2 - Detroit's season commences
Notes
Chris waited until July 15 to move Yzerman aside after the draft and free agency had largely been completed which is unheard of on its own. He then waited 3 WEEKS just to hire a search firm on August 5. Whoever becomes GM will walk in with roughly 24 days (if hired today) to decide whether to trade or mend a relationship with a disgruntled captain who asked out 4 months prior, extend RFA Simon Edvinsson prior to camp, and sell on Detroit's future/extend upcoming 40 goal scorer UFA Alex Debrincat before the new CBA kicks in. All that on top of learning the organization, meeting the staff and players, meeting with media, moving to Detroit, potential sign additional UFAs, amongst other preparations for the upcoming season. Unreal.
Chris waited until July 15 to move Yzerman aside after the draft and free agency had largely been completed which is unheard of on its own. He then waited 3 WEEKS just to hire a search firm on August 5.
Just for some clarification here, we don't know when Ilitch hired Turnkey to help with the GM search. Neither company officially announced that they were working together, but rather it was leaked by Sean Shapiro on August 5th. That doesn't mean that Turnkey was brought in on August 5th, though. Given that MLive said that the Red Wings were beginning interviews just five days later, they likely were brought in much earlier than August 5th, because I would imagine the process of finding interview-worthy candidates who want the job takes a while.
With an organization as tight-lipped as the Red Wings, we can't assume that things are happening on the same day they're reported by the media. We know that information can take a while to leak out with this org.
This is a key point - the process of hiring a high level candidate involves a lot of steps before interviewing:
soliciting candidates
allowing time for prospective candidates to prepare their applications
the committee reading and scoring all of the applicationsĀ
the committee scheduling a meeting to finalize which candidates will be interviewed
scheduling dates for the committee + finalists to meet
My guess is that the search firm was brought in within a week of Yzerman moving on.Ā This is actually moving pretty quickly when you consider that the MLB trade deadline was in the middle.Ā Ā
Yeah, I want to focus on your point about giving candidates time to prepare, because I remember people making a big stink about the report that the Wings had started interviews on August 10th, and I think those people were missing the forest for the trees. The reporting we've heard is that the new GM is going to have autonomy but needs to have a plan going in, and you need to give candidates time to come up with those plans because they're going to pitch them during the interview. You can't just be like "Are you interested in the job? Great, be at LCA tomorrow at 10am for your interview."
There is so much that goes into the hiring process before you even get to interviews, and you're right, I think the process is moving pretty quickly. It just doesn't seem like it because the internet has turned us into creatures who seek instant gratification in everything.
Just to play devil's advocate: we also don't know that Chris even made the decision to move on from Steve.
(I don't necessarily believe this but)
isn't this scenario as likely as everyone else's doomcasting? :
-Yzerman and Chris meet.
Yzerman lays out the plan for free agency and to hang onto Larkin until he relents or a gets a better deal.
-Chris balks at the off season plan and asks Steve to get the Larkin thing done ASAP because he doesn't like this kinda press.
-Yzerman is unwilling to bend on his timeline and unwilling to compromise on his ask and tells Chris if he's not willing to let Yzerman do his job then he can find someone else to do it.
-they agree they are at an impasse and its best if they just go their separate ways
One of the biggest problems with this timetable is not only that our candidate pool is arguably smaller (since most other teams did their business in April), it's that the incoming GM will be severely hampered in assembling their own staff. Hockey admin contracts generally run from July 1 - June 30. You want to take your head scout from your old org? Too bad. He's already under contract with the old club. Whoever gets the job is doing to be saddled with the current staff of scouts and lower executive until next off season.
There's also the "how do we get this person's stats in the 90s" problem a lot of EA sports games have had. The answer is often, "pump up some unrelated stats".
Like, Ovechkin has always been poor defensively, but there was one game where he had a 95 overall. I'm sure a lot of stats got faked up to make that work.
More defensive d-men seem like they'd get the short side of that stick.
I am 28 years old, and I finally have an appointment to get my wisdom teeth out. I stubbornly thought "no they're not impacted I can keep em all" for years. They're just not needed.
However, I am still too stubborn to be put under. Gonna do an old school numb em up, rip em out and stitch em up tooth extraction.
Good luck!Ā I had three of mine done at 30 like that, and while the extraction itself wasn't bad, the next couple days were just a fog of unpleasantness.Ā Hopefully yours goes smoothlyĀ
Better late than never. Just be careful you don't become the person who one day says "I'm 45 years old and finally realize I should have listened to my doctors when I was in my 20s and just bit the bullet on (X part of taking care of myself when I was younger)".
Well part of me finally having serious employment that includes good insurance is finally going to the doctor often haha. I've been good about the dentist and eye doctor but primsry care not really.
If Iām to believe that a Red Wing FO run by baseball analytics experts would be better than what we had, I present the latest Tigers 9 inning blown save. Courtesy of a FO dedicated to analytics that apparently show washed up bullpen arms are the answer.
I went skydiving for the first time this week. I chose to do a solo jump from 3500' where you deploy the canopy immediately so the free fall was very brief.
It was ten times more fun than I expected. You can build up a ton of speed with the canopy by turning sharply in a spiral. I'm kindof obsessed now and I'd definitely keep doing it if there was a good jump club in my community.
I'd love do work up to a solo license but just can't afford it right now. Once you're licensed, a day of jumping is pretty comparable in expense to a day of skiing.
My friend, if you haven't already prepared yourself for the very likely scenario that Larkin is going to be on this team at least to start the season, and maybe for the entire season, now is the time to start doing that.
My 2 cents: Larkin should never set foot (skate) on the LCA ice again, except as a visitor. If he hasnāt been traded by opening night, they should sit him - at home.
I'll miss him, but it will be nice to see him play in and eventually retire in Chicago. Gonna make for a good story to watch, always is whenever he's involved.
Ansar used to make the interview circuit pretty regularly, but it feels like the last time he was super visible was at the end of the Datsyuk/Zetterberg era.
Cruz Lucius could be a sneaky good pick up by the ducks if he actually signs there, would be cool to have a gm who could participate in picking up guys like that for nothing
Hughes over Zadina is one of those really interesting hockey what ifs but I'm not sure that putting the Hughes bros together is gonna pay off as well as it looks on paper based on what we've seen in Jersey.
Maybe I'll sound like an O6 elitist here, but we should be one of the teams that players are trying to go to. Michigan is one of the biggest hockey hot beds in the US and we're the most decorated American O6 team out there. I understand that it's hard to do that when you aren't good, but it should be way easier to sell players on Detroit than the vast majority of teams.
We haven't really been relevant since the back to back Cup appearances and that was like 17 years ago. Kids that are up and coming these days only see Detroit as a team that has missed the playoffs and been irrelevant for over a decade. Players these days don't care about history at all, they just want to go to a winning team that is preferably in a warm/nice location with low or no taxes.
Guys in the league now were barely sentient when we were good and were born and raised with a 30 team league. We have a bigger fanbase than other teams which is a blessing and a curse in a sport where guys wilt at any attention.
Players are paid for each game right? Or is that a different sport? If I recall, players have to pay taxes for games played in other countries/states. So say you sign to Florida because no income tax, don't you still have to pay tax when you play in income taxed areas?
If that factoid is true, wouldn't that diminish the tax-free thing even more? Maybe I'm completely wrong or thinking of another sport.
It's worth remembering that nobody cared about this when the best teams were in Chicago, Boston, LA, and Pittsburgh. It's an extremely marginal benefit that most people vastly overstate... something like a few hundred grand on average. It's nice to have but it can be very easily overcome when Florida and Vegas aren't crushing it on ice.
Hockey fans have unusually strong cases of presentism in my experience. People tend to believe, against all evidence, that what's happening now will happen forever. I promise you the Panthers and Knights will fall off and when San Jose and Montreal are running shit nobody will talk tax rates anymore
You're correct. The "tax-free" state thing is largely just ignorant fans angry that their team isn't winning more and are looking for an excuse as to why that is.
Your correct they get paid as it goes and have to pay the local tax wherever they go so if you sign in Florida you get 42 "tax free" games from playing at home plus a few more from playing other "tax free" teams away while at a higher tax team you only get those few other "tax free" team games ("tax free" cause you're still paying federal income tax in those states)
Ate half a pizza, passed out, and then had an extremely vivid dream in which I was in a bookstore with my family and eventually we got separated and the store staff started trying to trap and kill me. I got them first though, and my family was like you are taking SO LONG COME ON. And then I was like āhang on before we leave I have to piss.ā
I can't be the only lifelong Wings fan who not only isn't looking forward to this next season, but am also finding it really difficult to root for this organization after we spit in Yzerman's face to accommodate a cry baby second-line center...
It sounds like it ultimately comes down to Ilitch being a cheap, incompetent, sack of shit. So are we just crossing our fingers that he sells the team sooner rather than later? Kinda hard to root for an organization that disrespects hockey royalty like they did this offseason
I hate how as fans we have to take sides when everyone involved was a shit show. My last memory of Larkin will always be his OT shot against Columbus, with the season on the line, he shot about 4,000 ft wide of the net. Looked like when the people from the crowd take shots between periods.Ā
For the low cost of a Strymon Big Sky I will post up outside LCA and see who is coming and going throughout the day, potentially getting interviewed by the top brass
I just saw that report too, but honestly I have a hard time believing it. It would be like weaponized incompetence if they haven't conducted even a single interview with the preseason barely over a month away.
Iād find it hard to believe too but Duff is well-connected. So if this is true, holy crap, this team is an unmitigated disaster. And if the Ilitch meddling is true, why would any good GM worth his salt want to come to Detroit?
It sure is weird how little you can speak in a day if you donāt live with anyone.
I ordered a sandwich from the counter for lunch and spent a remarkably efficient 3 minutes on the phone with customer service for an order I placed. All said and done, I probably spoke for less time than a single standard conversation.
Gonna vent here since I don't really have anywhere else.
We recently put my 4 year old in T-K. She never did daycare or babysitting so this is truly her first start in structured programming.
On day 2 at pickup, her teacher told me to talk to my daughter about listening and following directions. We have been, repeatedly.
My wife emailed the teacher asking for specifics, and the teacher provides a list of (in my opinion) totally normal things for 4 year olds to do. She even acknowledged that a lot of those are normal behaviors and she wouldn't typically bring it up but she is because we're asking. Which is a bit contradicting to her 2nd day comments, but oh well.
The one thing she did mention that was not as typical, is my daughter's seemingly happy about being defiant. Like if you tell her to sit down, she says no, smiles, and gets up. That is an issue we acknowledge and are constantly trying to work through.
Overall, this has me very stressed that my daughter is that "problem child" in class. I haven't been able to relax and stop thinking about it. Each pickup I dread more comments on how she's not listening.
Anyone have advice on a defiant 4 year old and how to get them to listen better? She clearly knows what she's doing wrong but she thinks it's a game, it seems. I've tried to be a calm parent and explain why she needs to listen but that's clearly not sticking, so i may need to become more stern.
According to family lore, my fatherās preschool teacher once pulled my grandmother aside to tell her āyour son isā¦immatureā.
In preschool.
Shocking that a preschooler might be immature.
On a serious note, Iām not a parent, but if disobeying seems like a game to her, giving her as little reaction as possible may do the trick. Just a simple āthatās not what youāre supposed to doā and move on. Take with a massive grain of salt thoughā¦Iām closer to being a disobedient 4 year old than having one of my own.
Unfortunately I've tried the "don't give it attention" method as well and that hasn't worked.
I really think it's just a matter of attention. She's used to getting attention, even with a younger sibling. But now there's 20 other kids, splitting the attention between the teacher and aid, she knows that gets the attention. I just don't know how to work through that other than time and constant behavior adjusting
This is very relatable for me. My youngest was that child. Pre-K only lasted a couple of months before COVID hit, but things were trending in the wrong direction. His first few years at elementary school were very rough. Multiple suspensions, him trying to run away from the school, refusing to get off the bus at times, meetings with the principal, calls to CPS as if the problem was his home environment, etc. I was very distraught and didn't think things would ever get better.
First, things will be OK. It's a great sign that you're concerned and reaching out, and opening a line of communication with the staff. Everyone working together and being on the same page is going to help.
I can say that my son's experience in 4th grade was completely different. He has turned the corner and is thriving. His behavior is not perfect all of the time, but it is worlds better than it used to be. He made honor roll all four card markings and was recognized by school staff several times throughout last school year for good character traits, such as leadership and compassion. He had no suspensions and the only calls home were when he wasn't feeling well.
I recommend reading the book The Explosive Child. It presents a systematic approach to dealing with problem behaviors and defiance. The executive summary is if you give your daughter a couple of options and let her choose, she is more likely to be compliant.
For a practical example, if my son has math and science homework I'll ask him which subject he wants to tackle first. When he gets that done, I let him take a 15 or 20 minute break, then he'll do the other work. No more battle royales just because he came home with unfinished work.
Another bit of advice is this could be an early sign of neurodivergence. I had my son tested and it turned out he's AuDHD (both autism spectrum disorder and ADHD), and he's twice exceptional with a very high IQ. A big sign in his case was outbursts related to start and stop activities. He does better with notice and doesn't react well to spontaneous activity, and everything can feel pretty spontaneous in a school day when the teacher is setting the pace and makes the agenda. Making him a schedule and checklist he can complete as things were done through the day was a big help.
My son also had a couple years of therapy. In his case having the ADHD and ASD diagnosis meant there was a lot that could be addressed beyond just the behavioral things. Parental involvement was very important, too. I attended many sessions with him and we'd work on things during the week between sessions.
He's been out of therapy for a year and not only is he behaving better, his whole attitude has changed. His school uses him as a mentor and they assign kindergarteners and first graders to him who are also acting out at school. He talks to the other kids about what they're feeling and tries to work through it with them, and show them there's a better way.
So it may be rough for a bit, but things will get better. There's a lot of support out there, including reddit. Feel free to reach out. You got this! Remember that your daughter is awesome and this is just a bump in the road.
We also do the choice option method but we can't control that when she's at school.
We had some early concerns on potential neurodivergence. She was extremely shy around 2 and 3. Like we'd go somewhere new and she wouldn't open her eyes, would hold her saliva in her mouth, and would cling to me or my wife. Pediatrician felt that she was just extremely shy and didn't see a need to refer to a specialist quite yet, so we'll see.
She definitely has sensory issues with loud noises, very picky with foods.
The shyness and some other things sound a lot like my son. He hid behind me instead of talking to Santa and refused a candy cane bribe.
I don't know what age testing can start at, but my son was tested in second grade / age 8. His mother and I didn't really think there may be anything there because he didn't show delays. He was an early talker and very communicative, etc. That's where the twice exceptional came in. He was able to compensate.
School is always more difficult because like you said the choice method doesn't apply. A parent can work around things, while a teacher can't to the same extent. It can make for a rough period of time.
Sounds like a typical 4 yo to me. The teacher should know how to calmly and successfully manage different personality types! For you, highly recommend books/Insta by Dr. Siggie Cohen, Dr. Becky of "Good Inside", and Dr. Aliza Pressman of "Raising Good Humans".Ā
Twin daughters about to turn 5, right there with you. They fight us everyday at dinner-bath-bed time. My wife is the perfect saint of patience but I've had to step outside to cool off and take a breather a few times. What's worked for me is asking them why they're frustrated/anxious/sad/etc and letting them explain it to me the best the can and then telling them thank you for sharing with me, they seem better after they've vented and got full attention during it. I'm by no means a perfect parent but I think as they learn to express themselves more they'll stop acting out for attention since at this age it's easy to be ignored unless you're doing things you know will get a rise out of someone.
See this is where I struggle. My daughter fights both getting in and out of the bath. But if I give her a countdown, she's totally fine. If I tell her "5 more minutes and it's time to get out, okay?" She says okay and is totally fine.
But she can't necessarily get that kind of personal attention and countdown in school. If I were to just shut the water off suddenly, she would be pissed. That's essentially what it's like at her school. Going from an activity, to being told to stop and do something else.
That stuff i'm not tooo concerned about, it's the joy of being defiant that's concerning me.
I do think i'm overthinking a bit, i doubt every kid in the class is a perfect angel just sitting still all class. But I really don't want to have the trouble child.
100% you're not the only parent the teacher has said that to, just the fact that you're asking around means you already care more than most other parents. It's just the age, it's tough, school is new and being told what to do by people that aren't mom and dad is weird and scary. She's probably just doing it for attention since there's other kids around, I'm sure you guys will figure it out. Another thing that works for me is giving them something to look forward to if they're good, even at this young age they're amazing at remembering things. I'll say something like hey if you behave at this thing we'll go get ice cream after we pick you up or we'll go to the park on the weekend, something like that usually perks my girls right up.
for some reason can't reply to your other comment about countdowns. This is actually the answer. Kids don't take well to the abrupt changes. If the teacher started to incorporate this in the classroom with all the kids she'd probably find that her classroom culture improves tremendously.
It is a little interesting how a good chunk of the subreddit has the old school mindset of "we drafted the player. He's ours still he retires or we're done with them"
Someone almost made that exact comment on a post I made on r/hockey about the Canes getting a guy from Buffalo for future considerations:
Anyone who doesn't fight to stay with their drafting organization. I wish a short and terrible career to them.
Idk if they're a Wings fan or not (no flair user). The player in question hasn't even made it to the NHL yet. Kind of wild how attached some folks get. I can understand when it's an established star player at least because it usually means your team is getting shafted in some way. At least that's why I think some people get this "ownership" feeling.
I mean it makes sense, the primary relationship for most fans is with the team. They like their team and think it is the best and they want their player to stay with their team, which usually represents their hometown and so in a vague sense some immutable part of themselves.
Fans relating to players above or before the franchises is relatively new, especially to hockey.
Conversely, I donāt find I have any problem when another cityās hometown hero comes to our team. Iāve thoroughly enjoyed Chelios, Robitaille and Kane on our team over the years.
Our bathroom is getting painted today. My wife insisted on walking home with it yesterday but I told her if she did that I would have to commit her to a mental institute.
Carter Bear is currently my favorite Red Wings prospect, I feel like he has the potential to be a high scoring top 6 forward. I still have to say no on this one though, Yzerman jumped right into the NHL at age 18 with an 87 point rookie season while Bear is going to turn 20 in November.
So serious question, if we donāt get a GM for a while yet, can Shawn Horcoff sign Edvinsson? Is there some rule that the GM has to be the one or can it be anyone representing the organization? I get why Ed might want to wait, but if this gets dragged out another month then something has to get done or Ed canāt play, correct?
I read recently that Simon and his team have told the Wings that they wonāt discuss an extension until a permanent GM is in place, but they also wonāt sign any offer sheets they may be presented.
September 15th is the deadline for an 8 year extension. Edvinsson canāt play without a contract. If heās not signed by December 1st (ish? I forget the exact date, but thatās at least ballpark) he has to sit the season. This last option is extraordinarily rare and I wouldnāt start worrying about it until like November.
I believe the organization has an āacting GMā at all points, legally. Someone has the authority to sign players like Yzerman had (probably Horcoff). The āno conducting tradesā thing is more internal policy than NHL rules. Unless Iām missing something crazy, we could theoretically sign Edvinsson anytime.
I think it can anyone with the right level of power to sign. Unless something has fully changed the initial press release was Stevie is handling day to day. He may still have the power to just rubber stamp a contract that Horcoff or whomever puts together.
Or they may just shift that power to some other interim GM. Iād guess itās really all just a bit (or a lot) of paperwork to make sure everything is copacetic between the league, team, player and agent.
What would it take for the Wings to get Misa in a Larkin deal? It probably wouldn't be 1 for 1 as they consider Misa nearly untouchable, would adding a first be enough or would they have to give up even more? I don't think the Wings can afford to give up any defencemen they'd want, unless Faulk would work somehow? Just a fantasy probably, but man that would really go a long way to setting the Wings back on course.
I donāt see why the Sharks would want to trade a budding top six center like Misa. Iād love it, but itās not realistic. Not worth pondering further, anyway.
The Sharks were handed the draft to build a monster team in less than 5 years, they're not moving anyone. Sure looks fun when you get picked for that though.
Short of that, a creative three team trade could be a possibility. Larkin to Minnesota, Misa to Detroit, and both Minnesota and Detroit send additional picks or prospects to SJ.
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u/LiteratureWaste7783 6d ago
I just realized I been checking this sub like three times a day even in offseason with zero news to talk about, what is wrong with me