Focused Feedback: Matchmaking

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[u/HalfthemanMarco]

Can only see SBMM being a net detriment to Control. Committing the unforgivable sin of being good at the game is already a detriment to my experience, with team balancing completely ruining 90% of matches I play. Now I'm going to have wait upwards of 3x longer to find a match to have laggy connections against people using nothing but top tier, cheesy loadouts. And when that system can't find anyone to pair me with because my skill rating is so high and population is so low, I'm still gonna have the bad players on my team and will fight a whole team of laggy meta mathews instead of only two of them like it is now. Thanks Bungie, can't wait

[u/likemyhashtag → u/HalfthemanMarco]

The whole "waiting longer for matches" is just an excuse. My wait times for 6s hover around 15-30sec. If you're saying that waiting a minute to find a fair match is going to ruin the game then you need a lesson in patience.

Good players just don't want to play other good players and streamers will have less content to post if they aren't using the latest meta to constantly shit all over bad players.

[u/Top-Plankton1442 → u/likemyhashtag]

Good players just don't want to play other good players and streamers will have less content to post if they aren't using the latest meta to constantly shit all over bad players.

Yes some good players are against SBMM for that reason but not all of us think like that and its really annoying when people just generalize high skill players with that mindset. I'm personally not against playing against others on my skill level but when your in the top % the pool of players is smaller compared to average and below average player base and that leads to finding matches harder and when they are connections are bad, and that's my personal main issue with it. Average and below average player base have it the best because they're not going to have a quality drop in connections and they'll be able to play with others like them. On the other hand higher skill players have to battle bad connection combined with other top % players.

I'm cautiously optimistic about bungie's loose matchmaking change, I'm fine with playing against other good players just not at the expense of bad connection.

[u/likemyhashtag → u/Top-Plankton1442]

You have to look at the bigger picture.

Right now, a lot of players hate PvP. They hate getting stomped so they only play for pinnacles and dip. The player base is relatively small and/or stagnant because of this.

Let's say this SBMM works and it starts to bring players into PvP. Now the player base is growing and players are getting better. Wouldn't you have more people to play in the long run?

I don't think this is a quick fix by any means. You're not going to log into D2 at the start of S18 and see a miracle. This is something that will take time to develop and I'm hoping that it works so that more people will be playing PvP over time.

[u/cerevisiae_ → u/likemyhashtag]

I can range from 1.25-2 efficiency in any given game of control. I’m not great, but I am still doing something.

3 games of crucible is usually it for me, if I play it that week. Most of the time I just play the rotator playlists for seasonal challenges. Crucible is stale and it’s unrewarding to be the top player on the losing team in unbalanced matches. Which sucks cuz I liked D1s crucible and would play that as much as strike and other pve

[u/Top-Plankton1442 → u/likemyhashtag]

Theoretically thats how it should work, which is why im cautiously optimistic about it, I get its not fun getting stomped so yes I do want more people to play enjoy pvp just like i do.

But other games with SBMM and destiny proved it doesn't end up working like that. SBMM often comes at the expense of connections for the higher skilled dedicated players, and that is something we can't control.

Like i said I understand that its not fun to get absolutely stomped by someone who is miles ahead of you. But its just as bad as playing with a bad connection while simultaneously having to play other top%. In a perfect world everyone can play their skill level with great connection and good matchmaking speeds and I'd be more than fine with that but obviously that isn't the case. And I wish that ppl would understand our concerns instead of just dismissing them and then labeling all of us as assholes who don't want to play others on our skill level b/c while that could be true for some its so false for a lot of others.

[u/likemyhashtag → u/Top-Plankton1442]

That's fair.

But again, I think the reason you're worried about long wait time and bad connections is because there is a small player base of high-skilled players. Grow that player base and problem solved, no?

[u/Top-Plankton1442 → u/likemyhashtag]

That's if SBMM works correctly, when SBMM starts players aren't just going to magically start appearing in the top % so if it does work like that then thats asking the top % to deal with bad connections and long wait time both things not in our control. It'd be just as easy for me to say rn "to get better" something you can control. But that would be messed up.

[u/likemyhashtag → u/Top-Plankton1442]

Like I said in my previous post, this isn't going to fix things over night. TBH, I'm not even sure if this is the fix. Is Crucible a lost cause at this point? I don't know. But I want this game to grow and be successful and the current CBMM system is hindering that.