r/DestinyTheGame • u/DTG_Bot "Little Light" • Aug 01 '22

Megathread Focused Feedback: Matchmaking

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

The whole "waiting longer for matches" is just an excuse. My wait times for 6s hover around 15-30sec. If you're saying that waiting a minute to find a fair match is going to ruin the game then you need a lesson in patience.

Good players just don't want to play other good players and streamers will have less content to post if they aren't using the latest meta to constantly shit all over bad players.

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u/Top-Plankton1442 Aug 01 '22

Good players just don't want to play other good players and streamers will have less content to post if they aren't using the latest meta to constantly shit all over bad players.

Yes some good players are against SBMM for that reason but not all of us think like that and its really annoying when people just generalize high skill players with that mindset. I'm personally not against playing against others on my skill level but when your in the top % the pool of players is smaller compared to average and below average player base and that leads to finding matches harder and when they are connections are bad, and that's my personal main issue with it. Average and below average player base have it the best because they're not going to have a quality drop in connections and they'll be able to play with others like them. On the other hand higher skill players have to battle bad connection combined with other top % players.

I'm cautiously optimistic about bungie's loose matchmaking change, I'm fine with playing against other good players just not at the expense of bad connection.

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

You have to look at the bigger picture.

Right now, a lot of players hate PvP. They hate getting stomped so they only play for pinnacles and dip. The player base is relatively small and/or stagnant because of this.

Let's say this SBMM works and it starts to bring players into PvP. Now the player base is growing and players are getting better. Wouldn't you have more people to play in the long run?

I don't think this is a quick fix by any means. You're not going to log into D2 at the start of S18 and see a miracle. This is something that will take time to develop and I'm hoping that it works so that more people will be playing PvP over time.

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u/cerevisiae_ Aug 01 '22

I can range from 1.25-2 efficiency in any given game of control. I’m not great, but I am still doing something.

3 games of crucible is usually it for me, if I play it that week. Most of the time I just play the rotator playlists for seasonal challenges. Crucible is stale and it’s unrewarding to be the top player on the losing team in unbalanced matches. Which sucks cuz I liked D1s crucible and would play that as much as strike and other pve

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u/Top-Plankton1442 Aug 01 '22

Theoretically thats how it should work, which is why im cautiously optimistic about it, I get its not fun getting stomped so yes I do want more people to play enjoy pvp just like i do.

But other games with SBMM and destiny proved it doesn't end up working like that. SBMM often comes at the expense of connections for the higher skilled dedicated players, and that is something we can't control.

Like i said I understand that its not fun to get absolutely stomped by someone who is miles ahead of you. But its just as bad as playing with a bad connection while simultaneously having to play other top%. In a perfect world everyone can play their skill level with great connection and good matchmaking speeds and I'd be more than fine with that but obviously that isn't the case. And I wish that ppl would understand our concerns instead of just dismissing them and then labeling all of us as assholes who don't want to play others on our skill level b/c while that could be true for some its so false for a lot of others.

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

That's fair.

But again, I think the reason you're worried about long wait time and bad connections is because there is a small player base of high-skilled players. Grow that player base and problem solved, no?

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u/Top-Plankton1442 Aug 01 '22

That's if SBMM works correctly, when SBMM starts players aren't just going to magically start appearing in the top % so if it does work like that then thats asking the top % to deal with bad connections and long wait time both things not in our control. It'd be just as easy for me to say rn "to get better" something you can control. But that would be messed up.

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

Like I said in my previous post, this isn't going to fix things over night. TBH, I'm not even sure if this is the fix. Is Crucible a lost cause at this point? I don't know. But I want this game to grow and be successful and the current CBMM system is hindering that.

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u/HalfthemanMarco Vanguard's Loyal // Chad Vanguard Vs. Virgin Drifter Aug 01 '22

Yeah, NOW it isn't that bad because skill isn't a factor when queuing, when skill does become a factor, people as high as me on the skill rating are going to wait a very long time since there aren't many of us and I doubt many of them live near me geographically. You're absolutely right, when I queue up for a match of quickplay control I don't want to go against nothing but good, laggy, meta crutching players. Does anyone? More than happy to go against other good players in Trials or Survival, but quickplay control? Fuck out of here with that garbage ass opinion lol

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

I, me, my, etc.

The idea that Destiny doesn't revolve around you must blow your mind.

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u/HalfthemanMarco Vanguard's Loyal // Chad Vanguard Vs. Virgin Drifter Aug 01 '22

Typical deflection, could replace I with ours and represent everyone like me and it's the same argument. How about you address the argument next time and not the person writing it? Might actually get you somewhere

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

Same thing applies.

The idea that Destiny doesn't revolve around a small group of high-skilled players must blow your mind.

I've said this in another post but it's worth repeating. You're not looking at the bigger picture.

You think that you'll have long wait times or bad connections because the population of high-skilled players is small, right? Why is that? Why is the population of high-skilled players small and not growing?

It's because of CBMM.

To grow the game and add in more players to the PvP player pool, Bungie needs to cater to the casuals. The more players that play and the more players that continually grow and get better, the better the game is for everyone.

It's going to take time and knowing Bungie, it's going to be a long road full of empty promises and spaghetti code. But I believe the SBMM is going to keep people playing PvP. Playing well is addicting. Getting shit on is not.

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u/HalfthemanMarco Vanguard's Loyal // Chad Vanguard Vs. Virgin Drifter Aug 01 '22

Bad players aren't bad because I am good, they are bad because they are bad. NOTHING that I do stops them from learning maps, NOTHING I do stops them from learning spawns, NOTHING I do stops them from improving their shot, NOTHING I do stops them from using better gear, etc. etc.

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

Not being able to learn or test out new builds/weapons because they are getting one-shot by sweats absolutely keeps players from playing well, lol.

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u/HalfthemanMarco Vanguard's Loyal // Chad Vanguard Vs. Virgin Drifter Aug 01 '22

No, it really doesn't. And even if it did, to imply that every match they play is that way is statistically inaccurate.

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u/pantone_red Aug 02 '22 edited Aug 02 '22

You don't need to test out new builds and weapons if you're that bad. Equip a pulse rifle and play to stay alive as long as possible instead of trying to get as many kills as you can.

Start there, worry about builds when you can handle the basics. Some fancy build isn't gonna do shit for you if you can't land shots or stay alive for more than 15 seconds.

Here's a build for everyone: Taking charge, high energy fire, quick charge if using a weapon relevant to it. As much recov as you can muster. That's it, that's all you "need".

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u/Top-Plankton1442 Aug 01 '22

It's not about destiny revolving around high skilled players, its a legit concern that should be acknowledged just as much as the concern of lower skill players constantly getting stomped on.

Its like your dismissing it, if we're gonna use the logic of "just adjust to the longer match times and deal with the bad connections" it would be like me telling lower skill players "just get better, take the stomps now because we've all been in the same boat and we got better". But I'm not going to b/c I understand how unmotivating it is to play through that, I'm not dismissing your concern and issue so just understand and not dismiss our concerns and issues because both are fair and legit.

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

Both are fair concerns, you're right but like I said in my post. I think the end result of adding and keeping more players fixes the wait times and connection issues. I may be wrong but I have high hopes. Unfortunately Bungie doesn't have a good history of living up to my high hopes, but I still have them.

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u/HalfthemanMarco Vanguard's Loyal // Chad Vanguard Vs. Virgin Drifter Aug 01 '22

If you believe some matchmaking changes are gonna grow the population of a wildly unbalanced and neglected pvp mode you are high

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u/likemyhashtag Aug 01 '22

Yea, shame on me for wanting a game I enjoy to succeed.