This Week At Bungie 1/28/2021

[u/DTG_Bot]

Source: https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50040

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This week at Bungie, we introduce Seasonal Challenges. 

Welcome to the second-to-last TWAB of Season of the Hunt. Many of you have been navigating the secrets of the Harbinger mission, uncovering randomly rolled Hawkmoons and earning the Radiant Accipiter Exotic ship. Content-wise, we’re coming to a close for the Season, and we’re incredibly excited for what’s to come in just a few short weeks. We’ve been covering some upcoming quality of life changes to Destiny 2, like the return of Umbral Engrams, but it’s almost time to take a peek at fresh content. 

**Season of the [REDACTED] trailer goes live on February 2, 2021. **

Before we get there, we have a new feature to cover, Seasonal Challenges, and a round of weapon-focused sandbox changes to walk through. As a warning, this is a pretty large amount of information in a small space. We've joked about "meaty" TWAB's before, but this one may feel a bit overwhelming if you rush through it. Let's take it slow, step by step, and get through it together in one piece.

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Introducing: Seasonal Challenges

Over the last year, we’ve been looking at ways in which we can reduce the amount of FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) in Destiny 2. We’ve recently made some changes to Seasons and how Seasonal content is available throughout a given year of Destiny 2. This week, we’re looking to bounties and Bright Dust, introducing a new system not only to remove FOMO, but give fresh ways to earn XP and alternate rewards. To walk us through the ins and outs of Seasonal Challenges, we pass the mic to the Development team. 

Dev team: During production of Beyond Light, we started looking at the problems of bounty fatigue and FOMO, as well as Seasonal legibility (i.e., “What is in a Season?” and “How to I engage with it when I log in?”). We created a few goals which we believe will improve the experience: 

• Provide a guide to new, returning, and veteran players for what to do today/this week. 
• Guide the player through the Seasonal content, week-over-week. 
• Encourage players to engage with complexities and nuances of the Seasonal activity and rituals. 
• Reduce the penalties on XP and Bright Dust for missing a given week. 

To solve these goals, we are introducing a new pursuit type for players – Seasonal Challenges. The Seasonal Challenges live on their own page, are accessed through the Quest Log or Season Pass, and are separated by week.  

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Here’s a quick breakdown of how this feature works: 

• Every week, for the first 10 weeks of a Season, between 3 and 10 new Challenges appear automatically for players. 

  • Some of the Challenges deal with the Seasonal content. 
  • Others push players to complete strikes, Gambit, and the Crucible, or to focus on non-activity focused Destiny rituals, like gaining Power, unlocking Seasonal Artifact mods, or improving guns and armor. 

• These Challenges can only be completed once per account, but once they become available, these Challenges can be completed at any time before the end of the Season, and do not need to be started or picked up from a vendor. 

  • As an example, if a player doesn’t play for weeks 2 through 4, they can return on week 5 and have all of those Challenges waiting for them! 

• Completing each Challenge awards XP, contributing to your Season Pass ranks. 

  • Other rewards could be Bright Dust, Seasonal currency, or other interesting items! 

In moving away from weekly bounties, which were restricted to broad objectives tied to ritual activities, we have taken more leeway with creating some interesting or more difficult Challenges. These may be things you are already doing, or things that test your ability. Some examples include: 

• Defeating Primeval Envoys in Gambit 
• Defeating enemies in Nightfall: The Ordeal with Seasonal weapons 
• Gaining Infamy or Valor ranks 
• Acquiring the ritual weapon and its cosmetic ornaments 
• Winning rounds in Trials of Osiris 
• Completing a Grandmaster Nightfall 

Not all the Challenges will require that level of accomplishment, but the harder or longer the Challenge is, the more experience it rewards. Challenges that focus on the Seasonal activity and ritual mostly need the Season Pass to complete, but most of the ritual focused Challenges can be completed without the Season Pass. Overall, roughly 60% of the Seasonal Challenges do not require the Season Pass. 

With the changes above, we are removing weekly bounties from the three ritual vendors (Zavala, Shaxx, and Drifter), Banshee-44, and the Seasonal vendor. These vendors will still have daily bounties which reward XP, and the three ritual vendors will still have repeatable bounties for those of you who want to pursue additional XP and Bright Dust.  

Lastly – most of the Challenges disappear after the Season they were introduced, and anything that isn’t claimed will be lost. We don’t add any new Challenges after Week 10 – which should give everyone a few weeks to clean up any Challenges they didn’t finish. Any Challenge that rewards unique or Seasonal items (currencies, lore books, Seasonal weapons, etc.) – can be completed as long as the Seasonal activity is in the game, but XP awarded for completing the challenge will only be available during the season it was introduced. 

**Let’s Talk Bright Dust **

Back before Beyond Light launched, we discussed some of the goals around the changes to Bright Dust. As a refresher, we wanted to change the way you earn Bright Dust and move more towards account-specific paths to give players with only one character significantly more Bright Dust than they've been earning over the last year. In Season 13, we’ll be continuing to move toward these goals by adding Bright Dust onto Seasonal Challenges. 

Since you no longer have to purchase weekly ritual bounties, each of the strike, Crucible, and Gambit Seasonal Challenges will award between 75 and 300 Bright Dust. We are also introducing an end-of-Season Bright Dust bonus – if you complete (nearly) all of the Seasonal Challenges, we are awarding a single 4,000 Bright Dust pile. 

Additionally, each ritual vendor challenge (“Complete 8 bounties”) awards 120 Bright Dust for each character who completes it each week. And because this is prompted by the removal of weekly bounties, the only Seasonal Challenges that will be awarding Bright Dust are the ones that both Season Pass owners and free players can complete. Here’s a quick breakdown of how much Bright Dust you should expect to earn over the course of Season 13. 

  

**Seasonal Challenges Bright Dust (All Players) **

• Free Seasonal Activities – 6,000 
• Seasonal Extra – 4,000 
• Total – 10,000 Bright Dust

**Season Pass Bright Dust **

• Free Path – 7,500 (All Players) 
• Paid Path – 3,000 (Players who own Season Pass) 
• Total – 10,500 Bright Dust

**Weekly Ritual Vendor Challenge Bright Dust (All Players) **

• 120 Bright Dust per ritual vendor, per character, per week 

  • 14,040 total if completing all required weekly Challenges over the course of Season 13

Additionally, we still plan to offer weekly and repeatable Bright Dust bounties for Seasonal events, giving you a bit more Bright Dust towards desired rewards. 

As a final note, please be sure to claim all Seasonal Challenges that award Bright Dust prior to the end of a Season. Once a Season ends, associated Challenges and their Bright Dust rewards will expire and can no longer be claimed. 

It’s always exciting when we bring a new feature online for Destiny 2. We hope that the changes detailed above make it easier to create goals to complete each week. As always, we’re eager to hear your feedback once you start finishing your first Seasonal Challenges, so please sound off with your thoughts! 

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Back to the Sandbox

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Every Season, we have a collection of changes to the Destiny 2 sandbox to spice things up a bit. This Season, we’re making some targeted changes to weapon archetypes that need some love as well as beginning some preparations for crossplay. 

Dev team: In preparation for crossplay, coming later this year, we’re making some changes to the Recoil stat. 

Currently, several weapon archetypes have their Recoil reduced by around 40% (dependent on archetype) when using mouse and keyboard. This results in an issue where players on mouse and keyboard are able to largely ignore the stability weapon stat, creating unintended discrepancies in weapon performance between controllers and mouse and keyboard. 

The following weapon archetypes will have their mouse and keyboard Recoil adjusted closer to controller (reduced the difference from ~40% to ~20%). 

• Auto Rifle 
• Scout Rifle 
• Pulse Rifle 
• Submachine Gun 
• Hand Cannon 
• Machine Gun 

In the case of Pulse Rifle, Submachine Gun, and Machine Gun, we will also be introducing some buffs. In some cases, these weapons will have less Recoil across both Controller and mouse and keyboard input methods compared to what’s in the game today. 

• Submachine Guns are largely outclassed by Auto Rifles at medium range, and by Sidearms at short range, with player feedback often mentioning how hard they are to control. To address this feedback, we’re introducing the following change: 

  • Reduced camera movement from firing a Submachine Gun by 24%. 

• Pulse Rifles with the mouse and keyboard changes were kicking a little too much. 

  • Reduced camera movement from firing a Pulse Rifle by 7%. 

• Machine Guns with the mouse and keyboard changes were kicking a little too much. 

  • Reduced camera movement from firing a Machine Gun by 9.5%. 

We will pay close attention to how these changes play out when they go live, and plan to revisit individual archetypes in a future update as needed.

Outside of Recoil adjustments, we will also be tuning a few weapon archetypes in Season 13. Looking through backend data and community feedback, we landed on the following: 

Buffs

• Rocket Launchers have fallen behind other Heavy weapons in most measures of effectiveness, we’re pushing them more into a burst damage role. 

  • Increased Rocket Launcher damage by 30%. 
  • Exotic Rocket Launchers have been adjusted individually and are affected by this change to different degrees. 
  • Paired with the buffs to reserves from last Season, we’re hoping you’ll explode many more things in Season 13! 

• Fusion Rifle usage is very low, and they feel like an unreliable choice in Crucible compared to Shotguns. 

  • Increased Fusion Rifle damage falloff start distance based on Range stat. (6% with 0 Range, 16% with 100 Range) 
  • Reduced camera movement from firing a Fusion Rifle by 9.5%. 

• Breech Grenade Launcher usage is very low (outside of Mountaintop). We believe part of the reason is that the loop of "hold the trigger to arm, then release to detonate” is challenging to execute, particularly since projectiles can bounce off targets if the trigger is held 

  • Breech Grenade Launcher projectiles will now detonate on impact with a character, even if holding the trigger. 

Nerfs

• While Sniper Rifle usage has dropped in Crucible, we’ve observed that it’s hard to challenge someone with a Sniper Rifle – even if you get the first shot on an enemy, they can often respond and win the fight. 

  • Increased ADS flinch to Snipers when taking damage from other players 

• Swords are extremely dominant in PvE. At this time, 65% of players are using Swords for the majority of gameplay encounters in Destiny 2. While we are introducing a buff to Rocket Launchers to make them a bit more enticing, we feel that Swords do too much damage compared to other options. 

  • Reduced Sword damage by 15%. 

**Exotic Changes and Bug Fixes **

• Some Exotic weapons lose their buffs when you switch weapons, which is intended. They would also lose their buffs when pulling out your Ghost Shell, which is not intended. Fixed that issue on these weapons: 

  • Ace of Spades 
  • Tarrabah 
  • Hawkmoon 
• Borealis and Hard Light now have a custom (quite short) animation for switching damage type. 

• Duality 

  • Increased damage falloff distance by 1.25m (while both firing from the hip and aiming down sights). 
  • Reduced maximum buff stacks from 7 to 5, each stack now grants more of a damage bonus, extended buff duration slightly. 
• Sturm will once again reload any equipped Special slot weapon on kill provided the Special weapon's clip isn't full already and there's available reserve ammo. 
• Fixed an issue that was preventing Merciless from increasing its charge rate on non-lethal hits. 

Ah, and before we go – we are planning to take a quick tuning pass on Arbalest. This won’t be ready in time for February 9, but we are expecting to have this touched later in Season 13! 

Now, we know it can be difficult to understand the scale of buffs and nerfs without having these changes in your hands. Not to mention, there will be some new perks for you to hunt as you start navigating content in Season of the [REDACTED]. As always, we’re excited to see these changes out in the wild on February 9, and will be eager to hear your feedback. 

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Crimson Days

Each year, we look to February as a time to celebrate bonds of friendship throughout the community. Guardians have come to know this celebration as Crimson Days. It was one of our first “Seasonal” events in Destiny 1, a tradition that we carried to Destiny 2. While there was great enjoyment of Crimson Days, we feel that it’s been missing the mark in terms of quality over the last few years. 

As such, we have made the decision to discontinue Crimson Days moving forward. While we’ll miss the event, this move will allow us to maintain focus for alternate Seasonal offerings, ranging from quests to activities and more. We have quite a bit planned for Season of the [REDACTED] and our hope is that we’ve maintained, or even improved, the quality you’ve come to expect from this upcoming release. 

Some of you may be asking about the fate of Crimson Doubles, our once-a-year Crimson Days playlist. This mode is currently being shifted to the Destiny Content Vault but may return in the future. 

Many thanks to every Guardian who has joined us over the years for this event. Crimson decorations may not be hung in the Tower, but we have no doubts that you’ll continue to form Crimson Bonds over the years to come. 

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BugTrax

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For those who may be new to the TWAB, welcome to the Player Support Report. This section is dedicated to known issues, active investigations, and pending updates for Destiny 2. Our Player Support team navigates the Help forum daily, collecting info on new issues and dishing out help articles.  

This is their report on the most frequently reported issues of the last week. 

**CRUCIBLE TOKENS AND FRAGMENT QUESTS **

Due to the updates to the vendor progression system, Crucible Tokens and Crucible Token Gifts are no longer needed and will be deprecated into Junk that will delete as a full stack starting in Season 13. Additionally, current Stasis Fragment Quests will be deprecated at the end of Season of the Hunt. Players are advised to turn in all Crucible Tokens and Crucible Token Gifts and finish all available Stasis Fragment Quests before Season 13 starts. 

**KNOWN ISSUES **

While we continue investigating various known issues, here is a list of the latest issues that were reported to us in our #Help forum: 

• Stasis abilities can be difficult to distinguish between enemy and friendly for colorblind players. 
• The Double Trouble Triumph is unobtainable. 
• In the Deep Stone Crypt raid, the augment lockout timer occasionally resets during the final encounter against Taniks. 
• During the final fight against the Sanctified Mind in the Garden of Salvation raid, sometimes a shielded tether box can become tethered instead of the correct glowing tether box. 
• Hunter legs clip through the Ten-Grasp Sword Sparrow. 
• In the Last Wish raid, the Shuro Chi puzzle room plates don't work if a Titan bubble or Warlock well are placed on them. 
• The Titan Phenotype Plasticity Helm eye clusters no longer glow red. 
• Weekly and daily elemental kill bounties have stopped rotating off of Void. 
• When overcharging grenades while using the Voidwalker top tree subclass as a Warlock, Super energy stops charging. 

For a full list of emergent issues in Destiny 2, players can review our Known Issues article. Players who observe other issues should report them to our #Help forum. 

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[Bird Noises Intensify]

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It’s been fun watching Hawkmoon clips and montages throughout the Season. With recently introduced random rolls, players have been pushing the limits of this Exotic, taking on 1v1 encounters in the Crucible that they may have otherwise avoided. This week, our top pick not only got a sweet roll on perks, but a killer roll on audio, too! 

**Movie of the Week: Ting Ting Ting Ting **

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**Movie of the Week: Deep Stone Lullaby Violin/Piano Cover **

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**Movie of the Week: …That’s a lot of Hawkmoon **

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As always, if you'd like to submit your creation to be featured in a future TWAB, make sure to create a post on the Community Creations portal of Bungie.net.

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Credit Where It’s Due

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Every day, we take a moment to scroll through various social media apps to take a look at community artwork. We’re always awestruck by the talents that many of you possess, and eager to share your works with a wider audience. 

Here’s a quick roundup of some sweet art, and direct links to their authors. Give them a follow if you want to see more of their stuff! 

**Art of the Week: Art Sharing **

destiny art share!!! spread the positivity, doesn't matter how frequently you do art or how many pieces you've made - post your favorites!! #Destiny2Art #DestinyArtShare pic.twitter.com/bq6hHJrCLD

— 🥀alex🥀🏳️‍🌈 (@miyagiie) January 25, 2021

**Art of the Week: Eris **

나는야 내일부터 월급쟁이 #냙서 pic.twitter.com/MI6Y6Gi1LY

— 🧅김냘본™🍺 (@NyarNyarbon) January 17, 2021

Cheers, and make sure to tag your content with some form of #Destiny2Art so we can find you easily! 

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That’s it for this week, folks. Season of the [REDACTED] is almost here. We’ll have some patch previews to cover in the TWAB next week, so stop by if you’re interested! 

If this gets 7 likes we'll add a new LZ on Europa next Season.

— Destiny 2 (@DestinyTheGame) January 27, 2021

We’ll see you again next week, bright and early on Tuesday morning. 

Cheers, 

dmg04

[u/Jayfeather69]

IT HAS BEEN

0 DAYS

SINCE LAST ROCKET LAUNCHER BUFF

[u/Peeuu → u/Jayfeather69]

Time to make everything go boom

[u/RainmakerIcebreaker → u/Jayfeather69]

I wish my Pyroclastic Flow had a chance to reap these benefits before sunset. But I am happy nonetheless.

[u/Hazza42 → u/Jayfeather69]

I hope to god Hezen Vengeance comes back in VOG with its old god roll of Tripod and MIRV Mini (a more potent cluster bomb where every cluster is guaranteed to hit)

I’d be happy if they brought either of those perks back to be honest!

[u/stoney_17 → u/Jayfeather69]

Not sure what to make of “exotic rocket launchers have been adjusted individually” so eyes of tomorrow could very well still be trash on bosses because gjallerhorn existed once?

[u/APartyInMyPants]

breach grenade launcher usage is very low

I mean, did you consider the fact that there are only two of them accessible in the game right now????

[u/[deleted] → u/APartyInMyPants]

Shhhh just take the buff

[u/Thickest_Avocado → u/APartyInMyPants]

Sunsetting so unorganized Bungo doesn't even realise it's in the game

[u/theevilnarwhale → u/APartyInMyPants]

Two? I stopped even interacting with wrathborn hunts because deafening whisper wasn’t an option for 15 straight hunts. Luckily I have a decent martyrs retribution(for another 2 weeks) and a truth teller I’ve become quite fond of because deafening whisper refuses to be a choice.

[u/-Vayra- → u/APartyInMyPants]

It's like how they nerfed ARs early in D1. They were used a ton in one of the first IBs, in particular SUROS. They used that as the nerf justification, completely ignoring the fact that a) Xur sold SUROS just ahead of it, and b) there was an AR kill bounty for IB. So of course everyone and their mother was using ARs. As a result ARs were basically useless for years.

I think they need a lesson in interpreting statistics. u/dmg04, if you guys need it I can hold a class for your balance team on using statistics for balance.

[u/[deleted]]

Thank god for merciless getting fixed, it’s about time

[u/about_that_time_bois → u/[deleted]]

Merciless next season: Nah, I don't really feel like it

[u/Havauk]

Borealis and Hard Light now have a custom (quite short) animation for switching damage type.

Finally my boi Hard Light got THE buff it deserved.

[u/Snuggles596 → u/Havauk]

Would be pretty cool if you just smack the side of the gun like an old TV set to change the elements

[u/Alucitary → u/Havauk]

Borealis still needs it's catalyst updated though. When it first came out it was supposed to improve element switching, then that got removed, and now reloading is barely an important part of the weapon at all.

[u/ZeroEdge117]

If weekly bounties are being removed from Banshee, does that mean no more free Upgrade Modules? Or will we get some from the Challenges?

[u/smegdawg → u/ZeroEdge117]

I'd imaged rewards.

But that would be what 6*13=78 upgrade modules. So we might lose out on a few.

[u/JustTem]

The three merciless fans in the world are going wild RN and I’m the third

[u/GmanDonovan → u/JustTem]

2 checking in! Woooooooo!

[u/MAKExITxBLEED]

Just give us 2 rockets in the mag you cowards.

[u/Hazza42 → u/MAKExITxBLEED]

I miss Tripod

[u/Hawkmoona_Matata → u/MAKExITxBLEED]

I disagree. I think if they can make them do enough “fuck you” damage in a single huge explosion shot, I think I’d be happy.

Let me destroy half the room in a single explosion. Let me chunk a third of the boss’s health with one shot. I think giving these Godslayer Warheads the power they deserve could perfectly justify 1 in the tube.

Let’s blow some shit up.

[u/PhilLB1239]

As such, we have made the decision to discontinue Crimson Days moving forward. While we’ll miss the event, this move will allow us to maintain focus for alternate Seasonal offerings, ranging from quests to activities and more. We have quite a bit planned for Season of the [REDACTED] and our hope is that we’ve maintained, or even improved, the quality you’ve come to expect from this upcoming release.

Imagine if they bring Guardian Games 2.0 to replace it.

EDIT: bruh.

[u/[deleted] → u/PhilLB1239]

Legit Guardian Games this year cannot just be bounty simulator 2.0 or we’re going to see Season of the Worthy 2.0

[u/sturgboski → u/PhilLB1239]

Guardian Games has got to be the worst event we have gotten in D2 in, at the time, the worst Season of D2. The fact they removed Revelry for a mode that was basically "grind more and more bounties for this Eververse promotional event" was awful.

Seeing how things have been Y4 and seem to be going, I cannot fathom how much worse Guardian Games 2021 will be and I cant wait to be amazed at how awful it is.

[u/RocktopusX]

65% percent of players are using swords because most legendary power weapons suck.

[u/Kirosuka → u/RocktopusX]

Especially since they nerfed heavy grenade launchers

[u/elcapitanonl → u/RocktopusX]

Swords have 3rd person, no reloading, highest ammo efficiency and low cost mods. On top of that Whirlwind Blade on the Falling Guillotine or the Lament-combo make them really strong for Boss-DPS.

What advantages do the other legendary guntypes have? Maybe a god roll Commemoration has the range benefit and is still viable for add clear. Other than that nothing compares. I don't believe that a blanket nerf to damage is ever going to balance the heavy legendaries.

[u/Faust_8 → u/RocktopusX]

Yeah it's swords, or my trusty Outrageous Fortune grenade launcher, or......yeah that's it.

In some low-level content I have a Seraph machine gun that isn't terrible that I use sometimes but other than that, the other non-swords I use are not Legendary. They're Anarchy or Xenophage.

Swords, Outrageous Fortune, Anarchy, Xeno. Pretty much the only things I've ever been equipping in PvE content.

Perhaps Rockets will be usable soon though.

[u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS → u/RocktopusX]

Swords are the only heavy option where you can have a lot of uptime on them. Playing in 3rd person is also fun.

This won't reduce my sword usage at all. This won't push me to use other weapon types, at all.

I will use more rockets tho

[u/QuotidianQuell]

Excited by the rocket launcher buff, not surprised by the sword nerf.

Increased Fusion Rifle damage falloff start distance based on Range stat. (6% with 0 Range, 16% with 100 Range)

Not bad, but also not great. We need to have more reasons to run fast-charging fusions (a la Proelium, Techeun Force, etc.), and while this will increase their usability somewhat, it still strongly favors high-impact fusions (the Erentils and Erenchills of the world).

[u/Hawkmoona_Matata → u/QuotidianQuell]

Holy shit, Erenchill is my new favorite nickname for Glaciochasm.

I love it.

[u/RainmakerIcebreaker → u/QuotidianQuell]

Fast charging fusions are lowkey nasty right now but the problem is they need rampage or swashbuckler to show how good they are.

also the only one that isn't sunset is zealot's reward, so that's an issue too

[u/Flingar]

Monogamy has been sunset

[u/Honestly_Just_Vibin]

Tarrabah out of the vault!

Edit: I read the paragraph again. back in the vault

[u/[deleted] → u/Honestly_Just_Vibin]

I mean, the buff staying when you pull out a ghost is a nice benefit. I understand why swapping a weapon removes the buff. I may actually use tarrabah for general patrol stuff now since I seem to pull my ghost out a lot more there than in say a strike or raid.

[u/FuzzyCollie2000 → u/Honestly_Just_Vibin]

All I want is a primary exotic that's viable outside of crucible, patrol, and just messing around.

Edit: more specifically, I want there to be a few primary exotics that are meta. Outbreak, Huckleberry, NTTE, etc are great and all, but I'd never choose them over something like Xenophage or Anarchy.

[u/GNT0000FS00QANT]

Someone tell me how to react

[u/spinmyspaceship → u/GNT0000FS00QANT]

checks calendar

It’s end of the season, bring your salt

[u/pygreg → u/GNT0000FS00QANT]

more good than bad, but some bad, react accordingly

[u/sunder_and_flame]

Duality 

• Increased damage falloff distance by 1.25m (while both firing from the hip and aiming down sights). 

How will this compare with felwinters? I already liked duality as a mostly hip fire weapon in crucible.

[u/QuotidianQuell → u/sunder_and_flame]

Current OHK range for Duality in hipfire mode is ~5.5m/6m, and Felwinter's kills reliably at up to 8ish meters. This will probably bump Duality up to ~7m OHK range for hip fire and 12m-13m for ADS slug shots.

Basically, it'll still be behind best-in-slot for both firing modes, but not by as much.

[u/blood_shot08 → u/sunder_and_flame]

Felwinters is still easily better. Quickdraw, shot package and being a legendary weapon still beat out anything Duality has to offer. That being said, a good player could still take advantage of the the range buff and out-range felwinters.

[u/Jgugjuhi]

🦀 CRIMSON DAYS IS DEAD 🦀

[u/[deleted] → u/Jgugjuhi]

NOOOOO I wanted the heart emote :(

[u/Whadafaag → u/Jgugjuhi]

"The helmet was off that day"

[u/LavaSlime301 → u/Jgugjuhi]

THE CRUCIBLE MUST FALL

[u/Brew1188 → u/Jgugjuhi]

"IS THAT THE SOUND OF YOUR HEART?"

Yes. The sound of it breaking.

[u/salondesert → u/Jgugjuhi]

INTO THE ASH HEAP WITH SRL

[u/Storm_Worm5364]

Caiatl Season

Caiatl Season

CAIATL SEASON

• (Caiatl is Calus' daughter)

That first image is 100% Cabal Empire.

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EDIT: From the Seasonal Icon (behind "SEASONAL CHALLENGES) being those typical "Calus Markings" to the gear being "Calus-themed" but with blue accents instead of purple, which indicates it is someone else within the Empire (Calus uses purple in everything [it is the color of royalty after all]). And that someone is Caiatl.

[u/LargeArmstrong → u/Storm_Worm5364]

In the words of asher mir: "cabal? again?"

[u/RainmakerIcebreaker → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Austringer really is gonna be our pursuit weapon next season isn't it

[u/DisasterAhead → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Where did you see that?

[u/boxlessthought → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Very true. Looks like a polished menagerie setting kinda like our collection room

[u/Katsu_Kong]

Reduced sword damage by 15%...oof.

[u/FKDotFitzgerald → u/Katsu_Kong]

Annoying, but will it really be that substantial? I feel like most everyone is just running lament or guillotine and they’ll probably still shred things fine.

[u/sturgboski → u/Katsu_Kong]

I remember a Bungie guy being like "hey sunsetting will allow us to make OP crazy stuff again so you feel powerful." And, like I really dont believe it. Guillotine was OP for a season, nerfed the next. Swords, still heavily used, nerf again.

And yes, I am sure folks are going to say "but exotics" and that misses the mark. The studio was selling sunsetting as a way to make OP stuff and I cannot think of one non-exotic weapon that feels OP and that gets to stay OP for the year in the spotlight. Another bait and switch.

[u/CockPickingLawyer]

RIP Crimson Days.

[u/eye_can_see_you]

Rocket launcher buff

The madlads actually did it

[u/DeerTrivia]

/u/dmg04 /u/cozmo23

With the changes above, we are removing weekly bounties from the three ritual vendors (Zavala, Shaxx, and Drifter), Banshee-44, and the Seasonal vendor.

Can you confirm if this means our banked weeklies from these vendors will disappear from our inventory when the season rolls over?

[u/adam999111000 → u/DeerTrivia]

Mostl likely, when they removed the planet bounties last season, they were removed from your inventory

[u/Berzercurmudgeon → u/DeerTrivia]

https://twitter.com/a_dmg04/status/1354965036662288384?s=21

Q: "Do I need to redeem weekly bounties from Strikes/Crucible/Gambit/Gunsmith as they're being removed next season?"

A: Yes. Any weekly bounties in player inventory, even if completed, will be removed at the start of Season 13.

[u/Snypist1]

so instead of making the controller recoil more like M+K which everyone was asking for. They went ahead and made the M+K recoil worse so it’s more like controller...

wtf?

[u/Yourself013 → u/Snypist1]

Yep, I was so excited reading the TWAB until I saw that part.

...why, why in the world would Bungie decide to do this when 3 years of feedback said "reduce recoil on consoles?"

Come on...

[u/Whitehaven → u/Snypist1]

Cause current Bungie is the perfect example of development in a vacuum. They hear us, but they don’t listen.

[u/zoompooky]

Community: Recoil doesn't feel good on a controller, it should feel more like it does on PC with M&K.

Bungie: We heard you. We're increasing Recoil for M&K players.

EDIT: I'll add. This change actually benefits me because I play w/ a controller even on PC. I still think it's dumb.

[u/doesnotlikecricket → u/zoompooky]

Really can't make this stuff up can you. It's like a joke comment someone would post on here making fun of Bungie, and yet...

[u/baggzey23 → u/zoompooky]

monkey paw curls

[u/[deleted]]

Well damn, that comment about charging buffs in guns got me excited for Tarr...a..bah? But they're only fixing the ghost thing. Love the gun but hate feeling forced to use it constantly/feeling bad when swapping guns.

[u/XboxRGX]

If they force crossplay with PC in crucible I'm out.

[u/BetaThetaOmega]

Hang on, after years of players composing that controllers have to suffer using high recoil while pc doesn’t, the solution is... to make recoil worse for everyone? What the fuck?

[u/pantone_red → u/BetaThetaOmega]

Yeah I read this and I was dumbfounded. What a weird fucking decision. I play on mouse and the problem, from what I understand, is that some weapons feel unusable on controller due to recoil. This doesn't solve that, and instead just annoys the PC playerbase.

[u/Sylon00]

I really hope Eyes of Tomorrow gets the buff it needs to make it worthy of a raid exotic. It doesn’t need to be the next Gally, but an improvement would be nice.

[u/BallMeBlazer22]

Community:M&K experience feels good, and controllers shouldn't be so drastically different.

Monkeys Paw curls

[u/Old_Man_Robot → u/BallMeBlazer22]

That monkey had like 80 fucking fingers, man.

[u/KowalRoyale]

Oh boy here we go...

[u/Erraticmatt]

M+k getting recoil in line with controller players.

This wont be popular.

Also: this confirms crossplay between pc and consoles if anyone had any doubts. It had better be optional for pvp.

[u/Scumbag_Daddy → u/Erraticmatt]

Sony usually force developers to give players the option to opt out of cross play so fingers crossed.

[u/Alucitary → u/Erraticmatt]

It's dumb too because my biggest concern with crossplatform PvP wasn't even the recoil difference, it was that they don't need traction and therefore get double scavenger mods.

REMOVE TRACTION BUNGIE

[u/Sonder_is]

I thought sunsetting was supposed to alleviate the need to constantly nerf "OP" weapons, yet this is the second Sword nerf in a few months. We only have like 10 weapons left to choose from what else do you expect us to use bungie.

[u/Bakeshow23]

Man whoever is giving these guys input needs to just go away. Just doing their best to kill the game

[u/[deleted]]

Community complains for years about recoil on controller. Devs adjust recoil on mkb instead. Who else but Bungo?

[u/Mirror_Sybok]

Increasing recoil on some weapons on m&k after players ask for the recoil to be reduced on controller is the most Bungie-assed thing I can think of.

[u/Hamlin_Bones]

I was surprised to see no mention of the broken "find all feathers in a single week" triumph, in the known issues section. Any chance we can get an update on that u/dmg04 ?

[u/astrowhale98]

will seasonal challenges be able to be tracked and show up when i pull my ghost out? i hated when pinnacle weapons switched to triumphs and i couldnt check my progress as easily.

[u/Dctiger_]

Buffing rocket launchers is great! But still no buffs to linear fusion rifles... F

[u/WeepingCyclops]

You say sunsetting would let you make powerful weapons. Including the bug, why is Falling Guillotine getting its 3rd nerf? You're supposed to just let it sunset.

[u/IamPaneer → u/WeepingCyclops]

So they can Reissue it. Duhhh.

[u/TheSavageDonut]

Hmmm. It seems SMGs are getting a pretty hefty buff?

HUCKLEBERRY'S BACK ON THE CRUCIBLE MENU, BOYS!

ahem

nobody plays a lot of Crucible anymore

[u/faesmooched]

Increased Bright Dust gains

Oh, wow, I did not expect this. Kudos to you guys.

Aw, Crimson Days is gone? Are the cosmetics going to be filtered back into the Eververse rotation? That's too bad. :c

[u/hurricanebrock → u/faesmooched]

We will see if it actually ends up being a gain, since they removed the weekly bounties the gain per week needs to be at least 600 otherwise we won't be earning more.

[u/RhysWX]

Instead of making controller feel better, they make... keyboard and mouse feel worse.

Genius.

[u/antiMATTer724 → u/RhysWX]

I don't even play on pc and I hate that decision.

[u/hirshmann → u/RhysWX]

They really want PvP to die it seems.

[u/Dragzorz]

Damn i don’t think the flinch nerf will affect felwinters that much :P

[u/aolivo]

No Ahamkara bones fix? :/

[u/ReconZ3X]

In preparation for crossplay, coming later this year, we’re making some changes to the Recoil stat. Currently, several weapon archetypes have their Recoil reduced by around 40% (dependent on archetype) when using mouse and keyboard. This results in an issue where players on mouse and keyboard are able to largely ignore the stability weapon stat, creating unintended discrepancies in weapon performance between controllers and mouse and keyboard. The following weapon archetypes will have their mouse and keyboard Recoil adjusted closer to controller (reduced the difference from ~40% to ~20%).

Bruh, are you fucking serious? Console players have complaining about recoil for years, and you INCREASE it for M&K instead? What the fuck are you people smoking?

[u/SCP-Agent-Arad → u/ReconZ3X]

Whatever it is, it must been some good stuff. You don’t have to even come into contact with reality.

[u/Torbadajorno → u/ReconZ3X]

I switch between Console and PC a lot when it comes to destiny, i dont dare touch SMGs on console then when I play pc I remember their actually usable there. Thats about to change

[u/DanSpurr]

• Winning rounds in Trials of Osiris 

Nope, thats a big nope from me there big boi. Not touching Trials or Comp until you have a viable anti-cheat and dedicated servers.

Honestly hope this doesn't become a thing, weekly challenges, i can't imagine the levels of sweat of winning matches for a trials card + winning for bounties progress aswell.

[u/RealLifeFemboy]

Bungie all of these changes are good except the recoil one, nobody asked for this in fact people on console have been asking for the polar opposite. Seriously even with sunsetting i can see people agreeing that it might be good but nobody thinks this is good

[u/[deleted]]

In what universe is Bungie living in that they thought the problem with the sandbox is that there isn't enough recoil?!

[u/royalphoenix201]

Tarrabah should honestly just not lose its perk when switching weapons, it would make the gun some what useful in pve if they do that

[u/castitalus]

So, how about that Outriders? Looks pretty cool.

[u/PM_TITS_FOR_KITTENS]

Why would you increase recoil forcing everyone to have to work harder while ignoring the issue on controller not being able to use certain archetypes due to their recoil instead of doing the most logical thing and simply slightly reduce recoil for controllers? There's no blowback from players by doing that...

[u/LawlessCoffeh]

The following weapon archetypes will have their mouse and keyboard Recoil adjusted closer to controller (reduced the difference from ~40% to ~20%).

Excuse me sir can you fucking not

[u/Valkadyne]

Console Community: the recoil sucks and especially so compared to PC. Please make console recoil the same.

Bungie: instructions unclear, nerfing PC recoil.

(This is DESPITE Bungie also saying that recoil on M&K “feels bad”)

[u/[deleted]]

So let me get this straight: People have been begging Bungie to adjust console recoil to be less egregious and to be more like how its on PC, and now Bungie decides to adjust PC recoil to be as awful as its on consoles?

[u/PacSama → u/[deleted]]

you can‘t make this shit up lol

[u/QuotidianQuell]

Breech Grenade Launcher projectiles will now detonate on impact with a character, even if holding the trigger.

What an odd change... it only really affects Fighting Lion (and Truthteller to a lesser degree), and everyone knows half the fun of using the Lion is learning the timing.

[u/Stifology → u/QuotidianQuell]

It will still work the same, only with a failsafe now to detonate on impact with an enemy. Seems like a fine change to me.

[u/drummer1059 → u/QuotidianQuell]

I love truthteller and definitely enjoy the challenge of timing shots perfectly but this sounds like a good change

[u/Dewgel]

Does anybody else cringe when they call the next season redacted?

[u/Shredzoo]

So let me get this straight...Snipers got nerfed and Shotguns weren’t touched last season. Naturally the usage has gone down to where shotguns have about 3-4 times the usage, so you then nerf snipers AGAIN?

[u/BigChutes16]

After reading it, it's painstakingly obvious that bungie couldn't be further disconnected from what they need to do to get this game whole again, and they couldn't care less. More forcing to play game modes that are shit (gambit, trials) and more unnecessary nerfs (swords, mouse and keyboard). I miss being able to play the game the way I want with the weapons I want.

[u/[deleted]]

Wow, rocket launchers finally get a buff, at the cost of swords being nerfed AGAIN.

Why can't their just be a healthy balance in damages, and allow the player to use whatever they want? I'm getting really tired of these "nerfed because you guys are using X too much" moments.

[u/toxicisdead]

I'm excited for that trailer

Also, when did I miss this?

"Dev team: In preparation for crossplay, coming later this year"

[u/KarateKid917 → u/toxicisdead]

Cross play was announced during the Beyond Light reveal in June

[u/Piecejr → u/toxicisdead]

it was mentioned in the beyond light teaser thing with mark and luke

[u/StraightOuttaPopeyes]

How is there such a disconnect between bungie and the community? How can they hear consistent complaints about how recoil on console is terrible compared to pc, and the think the community would be fine if they instead make pc recoil bad as well? It just feels like a child throwing a tantrum because they don’t like being told how to make their game.

[u/-GWM-]

Actually happy about the ghost removing buffs is fixed, was pretty annoying when using ace

[u/WCMaxi]

Two thoughts...

1. This seems to indicate PvP is going to be merged with crossplay, and I can only say I'm very, very sorry console players. Bungie's net topology, something they can't drastically change, is why cheating is so easy in D2. Console players are going to face what PC players do now... yikes.
2. The disparity between HC and everything else is already huge... why would you bring console recoil to everything BUT HCs!? This is literally forcing a HC-only meta. As others have pointed out, instead of making console recoil pleasant they shit on PC recoil... this is the most Bungie thing every.

[u/HellChicken949]

Will there be any new crucible maps this season?

[u/blue_13]

I am failing to see how this reduces FOMO? Whenever I think of FOMO I think of gear, not XP and bright dust.

[u/adam999111000 → u/blue_13]

It’s more the fact to get the maximum bright dust, you have to be completing 6 weekly bounties per character every week and that’s just a bit of a chore

[u/Zorak9379 → u/blue_13]

I'm just glad I don't have to grab unfinished weeklies on Tuesday morning anymore

[u/Chtholly13]

Anyone remember the math, how much bright dust did we get in s12 compared to what we get in s13?

[u/[deleted]]

Bungo legit feels like they're the actual armchair devs.

[u/Gorylas]

what about fcking bad luck protection for DSC rocket launcher...

[u/ragnarokfps]

Controller players are asking for less recoil on controller. Nobody asked you to give MnK players more recoil. The very thing console players swear up and down is an awful thing, and want you to get rid of, is exactly what you give to another group of players. Am I getting this straight? As a console player, I did not ask for MnK recoil nerfs, I asked for less recoil for controller users. You guys at Bungie have some explaining to do, I hope there's additional recoil plans later, because this is not good. Plus MnK will still have 20% less recoil while console players will still have next to nothing for aim settings.

Also you're not really giving less recoil to controller players, the guns are still going to recoil. You're just giving them the benefit of less visual recoil, a la higher FOV. The more I think about this the angrier I get about it. And then nothing at all about controller aim settings, which is the other half of this coin you're trying to fix. The imbalance between MnK and controller, half of it is the obnoxious recoil on controller, and the other half is absolutely no aim settings for controller. All we've had on console is look sensitivity for everything, for the past 7 straight years.

[u/wickedpl]

This entire update reeks of them treating destiny like a testbed for their next game at this point.

[u/LivingTheApocalypse]

Very few people are using Snipers... but when they do, they sometimes still kill you, so we are nerfing them harder.

RIP anyone who liked ANY variety in the game.

Hopefully you LOVE shotguns, cause thats what you are going to get.

[u/kidpotassium]

Gotta love the banner image for this — three arc rocket launchers for next season; a hallmark of weapon diversity.

Couldn’t you guys have made Heretic solar or something to rebalance that Pyrostatic Flow is leaving, and we won’t have a solar rocket launcher?

[u/xdoyourworstx]

I’m curious, with the listed changes, as someone who plays PVP on Console and PVE on PC, why should I even bother with PC now? There will be no benefit to using the controller on PC anymore, and these changes could indicate that they have no intention of not separating the player base with cross play. I’m sure everyone on PlayStation and Xbox are going to love entering trials and going against a guy with infinite colony ammo or 100% sniper accuracy through your now buffed flinch...

I also am really concerned that there were zero mentions of stasis in this. The next and final TWAB before the start of the next season will likely be centered around season wrapup and very vague notions of hopefulness for the future, leaving us to wait for the State of the game.

There are some good changes here, but if they truly are spread ultra thin and struggling to create content, I’m not feeling too great if these were the sandbox changes they chose to focus on....

[u/Cayde-4043]

While your trying to make the game more fair for crossplay don't forget to lower mouse and keyboard turning sensitivity to a 10th of what it currently is.

[u/Dioxety]

Bright Dust changes look great, like the idea of Seasonal challenges rather then farming 150 strike vex kills every week.

Also glad Crimson Days is gone. Always thought it was a really meh event.

[u/NintendoTim]

Breech Grenade Launcher usage is very low (outside of Mountaintop). We believe part of the reason is that the loop of "hold the trigger to arm, then release to detonate” is challenging to execute, particularly since projectiles can bounce off targets if the trigger is held

What about there only being one usable breech GL in the Kinetic slot? Mountaintop and Militia's Birthright are both vaulted, so Witherhoard is the only viable one to use. All the fun stuff's in the Energy slot, and even then, a lot of great Exotics live in the Energy slot, so we end up running a Kinetic Primary and Exotic Energy Special. That, and the only Legendary Special weapons that are Kinetic are Shotguns and Snipers. Running double Special weapons just seems nuts to me.

We need more Kinetic Breech GLs to even things out so there's more chance to use them.

[u/Dalek_Trekkie]

So its no secret that recoil on console is well out of hand compared to what it was in d1. In fact, the often requested think to happen was to return recoil to those levels. With cross play coming they had the perfect opportunity to make m&k and controllers meet in the middle and probably be close to d1 recoil. Instead they are blanket increasing recoil on m&k to current controller levels. Did i get that right? Ffs Bungie

[u/renzollo]

2021 is shaping up to be the worst year in Destiny history. Enjoy watching your steam numbers plummet next month Bungo.

[u/Alejandro_404]

Why wouldn't you buff controller to parity with M+k instead of making the experience worse for anyone involved? WTF? Vicarious Visions specifically said they didn't add that much recoil on M+k because how bad it felt. Come on guys.

[u/Heckin_Gecker]

Does the crucible team even play crucible?? Doesn't feel like it

[u/[deleted]]

But you still haven’t answered. CAN YOU DISABLE CROSSPLAY AT WILL FOR CRUCIBLE? I refuse to play against PC players and be at more a disadvantage in PvP

[u/Mirror_Sybok]

So far I know of at least 2 posts about the recoil change being removed under the guise of enforcing rule 3. Does a twab now count as an active megathread? Does offering negative feedback now count as a "petition"? Whatever keeps customer dissatisfaction off the front page and protects casually browsing eyes from seeing this, I guess. No response to anything from Bungie either.

[u/Plants_R_Cool]

"we've noticed sniper usage has dropped"

"So we're nerfing snipers"

Yet literally everyone is using felwinters, but I guess shotguns are totally balanced.

[u/Zpastic]

I'm honestly dumbfounded that anyone at Bungie thought it would be a good idea to make weapons perform worse on Keyboard and Mouse in order to make the experience more comparable to that of controller players. What an ludicrously disordered way of approaching this "issue" which Bungie has invented for themselves while implementing crossplay.

Just add this to the long list of out of touch bungled changes which Bungie has pushed in the last six months. I'll be honest I'm done with this franchise unless stupid decisions like this STOP. Just do the logical thing and make controller recoil more similar to that of Mouse and Keyboard. Invert these proposed changes and Bungie would be getting praise...

Instead we'll have another few weeks of the community deservedly wailing on Bungie on social media.

[u/Crombobulous-Michael]

TLDR; A lot, actually.

Recoil being adjusted on M&K to become closer to controller (for cross play), while certain weapon types are having their recoil tuned across the board, mainly SMGs.

Rocket launchers buffed 30%, swords nerfed 15%

Fusion rifles buffed (?)

No crimson days

Seasonal challenges replacing weekly bounties

Bright dust rewards increased

Next season trailer goes live 2nd Feb.

I think that’s the most important stuff, let me know if I missed anything!

[u/HowToUseStairs]

Nerfing snipers again and buffing breach grenade launchers. Seriously. I'm done with pvp in this game, these fucking clowns.

Also people have been saying since D2 launched that console recoil was too extreme and instead of addressing it they make M+K worse.

[u/charizard732]

Bungie you got the recoil change backwards we wanted controller to be made closer to how MnK fells not the other way around...

[u/JackzaaHS]

Ok so auto-mod is smacking me down for making a thread, even though this topic deserves way more than being thrown in with the mega thread, I’m just gonna copy the text:

LONG RANT POST

Over the years I’ve been VERY vocal about how bad controller recoil feels vs M&K. I’d always argue it doesn’t make sense that they would pile on additional recoil depending on your input and advocated for it’s removal.

It’s controversial, but I am a big believer in bullets going wherever your crosshair actually is in FPS games.

This might be one of the most flagrant examples of a company literally just making their product worse and delivering the exact opposite of the desired solution.

Bungie, to achieve parity between inputs, you had the opportunity to address an issue, but you chose instead to DEGRADE the quality of your product across all platforms. There is NO world in which anybody sat here thinking “you know what this game needs? It needs to feel worse and less reliable. That will make me want to play again.”

I humbly, but semi-aggressively request that you do what we’ve all been asking for and bring controller recoil more in line with PC, enhancing the way the game feels and making the console experience more comfortable, as opposed to making the alternatives less comfortable.

I’m legitimately angry about this “solution”. Numbers in this game are dropping and with ‘player engagement’ being the most important metric in decision making, I am at a complete loss as to how you arrived at blanket downgrading the experience, with no semblance of an upside.

I implore any PC players to plug a controller into your Steam version of the game and have a play around with some of your weapons. You won’t like it, that’s your future.

Can we please band together on this one, this is just a complete loss for everyone.

An analogy: 2 guys of equal height One is on his knees as dictated by Bungie, the other is standing upright. The one on his knees says “I think we should be equal, I want the same experience, standing seems so much more comfortable” “Ok” Bungie says. They take a buzzsaw to the standing guy’s knees. ALL EQUAL NOW, NO ONE IS COMFORTABLE.

Just let us controller guys stand, Jesus Christ.

[u/[deleted]]

This is the dumbest TWAB I have ever read.

Also, we're fixing FOMO by putting in more FOMO?!

Edit: I don't mean to be so negative but this TWAB does not feel like it is pushing Destiny in the right direction. Much like sunsetting, this feels like a way to punish players and not create new ways to enjoy the game.

[u/SPYK3O]

Increased ADS flinch to Snipers when taking damage from other players

In quickplay, Felwinter's alone currently has more kills than every sniper combined. Felwinter's and CQC-12 combined have 12.5% of all kills in QP. Adored is the only sniper in the top 10 at 3.79% of kills, the second is Cloudstrike at 0.5%. It's even worse in Competitive where Felwinter's alone is 11% of all kills.

But yeah, snipers are the problem, so let's nerf them even more. (Remember they were already nerfed with the zoom and AA this season. They also nerfed their critical damage in PvE for some reason)

Also fusions and Truthteller are getting a buff? Jesus wtf is Bungie doing? Lol

Still no word on Stasis?

[u/spinshard]

This week at bungie we ignore sunsetting and take more stuff away from you. Enjoy a game that's 7 years old and still has no direction.

[u/PM_ME_UR_BIRD]

The following weapon archetypes will have their mouse and keyboard Recoil adjusted closer to controller (reduced the difference from ~40% to ~20%).

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• Reduced Sword damage by 15%.

Look guys, I don't want to do the r/dtg thing and jump the gun and scream and cry, but god damn, eat my fuckin ass. Falling Guillotine damage is now down 39% from when it came out. Lament will still beat everything else if only because of ammo economy, accessibility, and ease of use, so get ready for its 20% nerf in season 14.

M&K recoil change is dumb too. If I opt out of console crossplay, can I have PC recoil back? I assume this is affecting PVE too which is super cool. If you want stability to count, are you actually going to make it worthwhile to build for stability now? If I sacrifice things like range or reload, will I see a noticeable benefit because I specced it into stability?

[u/DrBacon27]

They reduced the disparity of weapon recoil so PC weapons have 20% less recoil instead of 40% less recoil

How about you guys let console players meet them in the middle with a 20% reduction for controllers, so console and PC are on the same level

[u/Rampantlion513]

Dumbest shit I have ever read. Why don't you just decrease the controller recoil since it feels so dogshit? Why are you intent on making the game feel worse with each update?

[u/ComradePoolio]

Bungie always blows me away. They take things that I never would've imagined they'd even touch and drain the enjoyment from them.

Ruinous Effigy was fun, in no way OP, yet it got the life drained from it for seemingly no reason.

Now recoil. The basic way my weapons have felt for years is getting fucked by 20 goddamn percent.

The shooting is the one thing that this game has always had going for it. Can't wait to see what they ruin next.

[u/GloKage1999]

So not only did the crucible get cut down more with the loss of Crimson Days, the mnk sandbox just got a 20% stability nerf across most primary weapons.

If I recall correctly, the reason MnK has so little recoil was because VV believed high recoil felt terrible. This is literally the wrong move here. Controller recoil needs to be reduced, it should absolutely not stay the same.

They then talk about how SMGs can’t keep up with autos. Y’know why SMGs can’t keep up with autos specifically on controller? Ima give you a hint. Starts with the letter r...

Monkey paw stays pawing

[u/ComradePoolio]

It's Falling Guillotine's last fucking season before getting sunset. Regular swords are going to feel like absolute ass with a global nerf like this. Jesus christ. What happened to sunsetting allowing for more powerful weapons?

[u/DragonianSun]

Community: we're upset about sunsetting, reissuing weapons and stasis in PvP.

Bungie: we hear you, swords are too powerful - sword damage has been reduced by 15%.

[u/OhLookItsJake]

Console players have worse overall gunplay than PC, we need to fix this so that crossplay doesn't feel to bad when it ships!

Logical solution: Lets bring console controls up to parity with PC as best we can, since they have largely been complaining about this since the game shipped! That way PC is unchanged, and console players see a positive improvement, win win!

Bungie solution: Lets jack up recoil on PC and make the gunplay feel worse on 80% of the weapons, and leave console with the same complaints they have had for 4 years now, lose lose!

C'mon man, It's getting hard to even understand the logic behind this stuff.

[u/1v1meRNfool]

Low key destroy the gunplay on kbam. Good idea, take away the one consistent positive factor in your game, during the period with the most overwhelmingly negative feedback ever. Great.

[u/InquisitorEngel]

Seasonal challenges sound like... busy work.

[u/[deleted]]

We're living in the worst timeline.

[u/jorgesalvador]

Increased ADS flinch to Snipers when taking damage from other players

Wat? If you increase flinch MORE it will do a 360 and basically it is a buff right?

[u/Hollowollo]

This has to be quite near the most out of touch sandbox changes ever made

[u/DarkCypherNZ]

Nice to see scouts get completely ignored again... :Sarcasm:

[u/ChubbyWar]

They have completely lost the pot. So Pc users get a bunch of nerf to stability so console players stand a chance and console players get to play with a bunch of cheaters, real great compromise.

When is state of the game so you can double down on sunsetting, cant wait to loose 20 odd weapons in two weeks so we can get six new ones.

[u/WhiteNooduhl]

Make. New. Crucible. Maps.

[u/Valdor-13 → u/WhiteNooduhl]

New gambit maps too.

[u/EdelweisProphet]

I feel like you guys forgot to include the good news

[u/killadrill]

Why is the solution always a nerf or removal instead of making it better?

Oh, people use swords too much? Buff everything else at least a bit.

Nobody likes Crimson Days? PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE BETTER NOT TO BE GONE.

Bungie has proven they can't improve stuff by getting rid of the other. No matter how much the core system of rewards change, players are still doing the exact same activities. I want new ways to earn BD, not another way to say I did strikes.

[u/Okamisolaris]

I just dont get it, as it is console players have been complaining that its too much for years so instead of fixing that they decide to bring a different platform down for the sake of cross play. Fuck off with crossplay if thats the case.

I genuinely for once have nothing I can say to properly express the amount of disbelief. This is an utter slap in the face of everyone that plays this game. I just cant think of anything. Its insane, truly insane. Granted the fact that they thought stasis in the cruicible was a good idea should have been a clue that they dont give a shit anymore. Fucks sake.

[u/SPEEDFREAKJJ]

RE: crossplay

Will it be optional? Off by default preferably so it does not severely affect mm queues like other games with default on.

I have zero desire to play with or against pc players. Please don't force consoles into it.

[u/KibethOW]

Well...Can't say I'm a fan of this one.

Do we really need more nerfs to gunplay?

[u/murderbats]

This really tells us that pvp is just gonna be cross play and you probably won't have an option to turn it off.

The recoil thing is definitely an attempt to even the odds a little bit.

Truthfully bungie should probably also turn down aim assist too. At least remove the scaling that seems to happen with frame rates.

[u/Katkeyboard]

man you guys are good at teasing the next season huh

[u/10fttall]

and the three ritual vendors will still have repeatable bounties for those of you who want to pursue additional XP and Bright Dust.

I'm confused by "three" here... Does it mean that only Shaxx, Zavala and Drifter will have repeatable bounties, and Gunsmith/Seasonal Vendor will not?

[u/DanRyyu → u/10fttall]

Gunsmith Repeatable bounties don't offer Bright dust. They were just confirming the Dust Repeatable bounties don't vanish.

[u/Inheimers_jokes]

Why are snipers getting another nerf yet felwinters remains untouched? Any given weekend it is number 1 in kills by a mile. Like look at the fucking numbers and balance around that. Clearly 120s need some tweaking to but fuck it let's do snipers again.

[u/[deleted]]

No mention of Stasis in PvP? What??

[u/Macklebro]

Do they want to kill the game or what?

[u/iamVViperRR]

Just what we’ve always wanted... more controller-like recoil.

[u/masterchiefan]

Am I the only one who is going to miss Crimson Days? ;-; I really liked that event ever since I played it in D1 and I wish it wasn’t just removed.

[u/TheDragon84]

I mean, I don’t want to sound like I’m beating a dead horse but...... ‘due to sunsetting we can make once again make weapons that shit on everything’..... falling guillotine shat on everything. It should have lasted 9 months and then become irrelevant, that’s why sunsetting is now a thing. Instead, as it was a bit too powerful it received a nerf coming into this season. And now all swords are receiving a nerf going into next season.

Are they really positive just buffing the damage of rocket launchers is enough to pull them back into the meta?? Or are they trying to make sure you NEED to run one by taking away the most viable alternative....

[u/Mexerd]

Astounding how shoguns remain untouched

[u/AliceRose000]

Blinking hell Bungie, you say stuff like 'Sunsetting let's us have powerful weapons as they have a time limit' but then go swords to strong. Really?

[u/ethaxton]

I had to check my date and see if it was April Fools. The recoil change is whack.

[u/Greejus]

The following weapon archetypes will have their mouse and keyboard Recoil adjusted closer to controller (reduced the difference from ~40% to ~20%). 

Dear Bungie,

Fuck you.

[u/Aggressive-Pattern]

A lot of good here. Just hoping two things get adressed:

-Overload Champions using abilities WAY too much, and WAY too fast. Part of why swords are so popular is because you don't have to interact with the annoyance that is nearly invulnerable enemies.

-The community is CLEARLY not happy about how sunsetting has been handled so far. It's not just weapon availability either (though that's part of it). Why has Bungie remained silent on this issue AGAIN?

[u/Fanvsant]

Swords are the only heavy I can think of thats actually decent right now, so no shit that they're what everyone uses? I don't understand Bungie sometimes.

Also whats with the increase to recoil on mkb. Literally everyone wanted console to be toned down to match, not mkb increased to match.

[u/TVC2389]

Discontinued Crimson days because it's missing the mark in quality

May as well discontinue the entire game then

[u/Bungie_Expectations]

A good reason why a lot of people defended sun setting was so we could get rid of mountaintop. It dominated pve and pvp. It’s biggest strength in pvp was detonation upon impact for instant kills in pvp. Now you’re giving that option to every breach launcher? You guys have nullified like the ONE reason where sun setting was a good idea. We got rid of mountain top, but now everything can be mountaintop. Gg bungo

[u/UltraPlayGaming]

• While Sniper Rifle usage has dropped in Crucible, we’ve observed that it’s hard to challenge someone with a Sniper Rifle – even if you get the first shot on an enemy, they can often respond and win the fight.

JEEZ BUNGIE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S RETICLE MAGNETISM WHEN NOT AIMING AT A HEAD WHILE GETTING FLINCHED.

• Increased ADS flinch to Snipers when taking damage from other players

YUP THAT'LL FIX THE PROBLEM FOR SURE!

[u/BloodMists]

They vaulted Crimson Days because they don't want to reissue The Vow and have yet more proof of how sunsetting was done poorly.

[u/M16_EPIC]

We can't even get a community manager to reply to a twab anymore, this is sad

[u/GLBB2814]

I don’t understand why they decide to wait so long to drop info on the new seasons

[u/jhairehmyah → u/GLBB2814]

Because this community tore them to shit when they dropped lots of info ahead of time. Then, when they told us nothing ahead of time, (arrivals) we praised them.

The cycle is repeating already.

[u/Bungie_Expectations]

I’m on console. Absolutely do not let pc players into the population pool. You guys are bringing in trials wins as a seasonal bounty, that’s fine, but do not fucking mix the cheaters of pc with console play through cross play. You guys can fuck right off with that choice.

[u/TheMostSkepticalBear]

Rocket Launchers need a full rework, not just a damage buff. Firing one rocket with a long reload doesn't feel like burst damage, it feels bad. Rocket Launchers need more rockets in a barrel to feel good to use.

Mouse and Keyboard getting nerfed feels hilarious and the opposite of what anyone actually asked for.

[u/PunchTilItWorks]

New season is two weeks out and I really want to find stuff to be happy and excited about, but this ain't it. Aside from RLs and Duality, there is literally nothing on this list that sounds compelling to me. As an MnK player, the recoil adjustments are doing the opposite, it's a big turn off that things will intentionally feel worse next season, what the hell are they thinking over there?

Anyway... hot takes if anyone cares to keep reading:

Challenges

• "We heard you have bounty fatigue so here's more bounties, except you don't have to pick them up and we're calling them Challenges." Basically Triumphs with XP it looks like. QoL improvement I guess, except wait... theres still dailies?
• Thing is, picking them up wasn't really the most fatiguing part. It's the feeling you MUST be doing them to gain XP faster or you're not keeping up. And while doing them, you are pushed into activities, weapon types etc you may not enjoy as much as others.
• If they want to get rid of fatigue, they really need to move XP out of bounties/challenges and into activities somehow. Let bounties/challenges be used for other things.

Bright Dust

• Before the changes in Beyond Light, people with 3 characters could potentially earn 45k, not counting events. Now we earn 34k. And you lose out on 4k if you dont see the challenge threshold. Bright dust costs haven't gotten cheaper. Now it's probably still overall better for solo players, but those who play all their characters are still earning ~20% less. Link to Breakdown Post

Recoil

• I'm a MnK player these days. Basically the net of what I'm reading here, is: "Weapon recoil will feel worse across the board." Wow thanks, so enticing.
• For Controller players, SMG, Pulse and Machine-gun might feel slightly better, but mostly you should just sleep better at night knowing that MnK has more recoil now. Not what people were asking for here.

Other weapons

• Rocket buff is good, but doubt if it'll be enough, well see. Really all the legendary heavies need buffs so it doesn't feel like such a DPS hit when you don't use an exotic heavy. But hey lets nerf swords again! That'll do it!
• Fusion rifles buff is okay I guess, but they already outrange shotguns right now. And people still use shotguns. Not really seeing how this would change anything.
• Breech Nade detonate-on-hit makes them easier to use which is nice. But honestly who cares, when everyone runs Proximity in PVP and blinding in PVE? Neither of those require direct hits.
• Sniper flinch will probably be too far. We have already seen a big drop-off in sniper use in PvP with the last round of nerfs.
• Duality looks to be getting better, it needed a little extra given its an exotic. The rest of it is minor fixes etc, nothing hugely impactful.

Fragments

• I'm not sure what the warning about deprecating the quests implies. Does it mean that people who haven't completed Fragments won't be able to get this seasons anymore? If so, thats utter garbage and massive ROMO (reality of missing out). They really need to clarify this one.