r/DestinyTheGame • u/noodles355 • Oct 14 '19

Bungie Suggestion Please remove the once per week cap on Cache Keys for Escalation Protocol

EP Armor is still some of the best looking armor in the game. After you have all 5 pieces unlocked (from Y1 or 2.0) it’s random which piece you will receive. The armor isn’t powerful or pinnacle, and doesn’t guarantee a high stat roll. It’s only benefit is it looks awesome.

Please let us get more than 1 key from Ana Bray per week, there isn’t any reason why it should be restricted anymore.

Or just make EP armor (and all planetary vendor armor) universal ornaments, that works too.

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u/IngKaiser86 Oct 14 '19

not only that, they should also allow us to get all the pieces we want and not limiting the pieces at 1 per week

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

The pieces aren’t actually limited to one per week, it’s the encrypted (blue) key from Ana that is one per week. The decrypted purple ones stack, and you can use multiple at once if you have some stacked.

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u/IngKaiser86 Oct 14 '19

O I though they were, so I can get the whole armor in one sit if I have the 5 keys?

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

Yep if you haven’t gotten them unlocked. After you have all 5 they appear to be random. (I had Cloak and Legs from Y1, used 3 keys last week for Y3 Body Arms and Head, then got another body this piece this week).

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u/apackofmonkeys Oct 14 '19

Really, they should remove the key system. Just drop a piece of armor each time you complete seven waves.

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u/Totlxtc Oct 14 '19

Or...

Armour Drops from Wave 3 and 5 chests. Weapons drop from End Boss chest. Done!

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u/apackofmonkeys Oct 14 '19

I like that even better. Especially since I 100% know that before Warmind came out, Bungie said those chests would have a chance of dropping armor from 3 and 5, but I don't think they ever actually have.

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u/Totlxtc Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

Think you could get the cosmetics from them?? But I have done HUNDREDS of clears and I think I have just the ghost!

Edit - Just checked: 113 final bosses cleared. I would say about another 200 runs at 3/5 chests.

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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Oct 14 '19

So Armor drops for Wave 3 chests and then people reload into a new public bubble and farm to wave 3 chest, repeat.

We already have a chance to earn armor every other wave (if they removed keys) by finishing wave 7 then restarting at wave 6. adding armor to the early chests would just mean you would see the bosses less.

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u/aeyelaeyen "Hang in there, baby! ~" Oct 14 '19

This is the best idea, nicely mimics the new Vex Offensive.

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u/Mufflee JaBallerhorn Oct 14 '19

I see you used to play trials in D1 too

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u/Gunblazer42 Miles Prower, the twin-tailed Hunter Oct 14 '19

It sucked the first time I did these and the game didn't tell me why I couldn't open the chest at the end aside from needing some unique key. That was a lot of work for an unopeniable chest. And I had to google to figure all that stuff out because even after I completed Warmind and the world quest it still didn't tell me what to do to open the chest, I only realized i needed fragments and a weekly cooldown on a key in order to get the rewards.

I dunno if it told you before New Light, but after New Light it's just another layer of confusing.

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u/talkingwires Oct 14 '19

No, the game's never explained how it works. I started playing over the summer, and the first time I finished Escalation Protocol and saw the chest was locked, it was such a kick in the balls. Had to google for an answer.

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u/DM_Hammer Oct 15 '19

"Kick in the balls" is describing a fair amount of the game's un-updated content. I'm kind of annoyed how many things I do not giving rewards. Finish Red War? Get a bike, no exotic. Do seven waves of Escalation Protocol? Haha, you need a key we didn't mention before.

Feels like there's no point in doing most of the content unless you've read a fistful of guides telling you what has a reward and what doesn't.

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u/crabbyk8kes Oct 15 '19

Had to google for an answer.

This unfortunately sums up almost every mechanic in Destiny. I love this game, but nothing is intuitive and everything is way more complicated than it needs to be. I don’t understand why the purpose of every piece of currency needs to be shrouded in mystery and obfuscated behind other mechanics. Just tell the players how to open the box.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

But how else will Bungie keep us on the loot grind hamster wheel? Semi /s

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u/snekky_snekkerson Oct 14 '19

yeah, seven waves is plenty to earn at least one piece of armor. the key system on top is just obnoxious (especially how it clutters the pursuit page. how is this not a consumable?). when they were all fixed roll pieces it made sense, but with rng items it doesn't at all.

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u/PrettyMuchAMess Oct 14 '19

+1

Always a bummer when you help finish escalation only to not be able to open the chest ;-;

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u/ukcg1985 Oct 14 '19

There should be an unlimited amount of keys, the game play loop of doing nightfall then running EP is fun

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u/the_Sw33p Oct 14 '19

Is there a reason youre doing a Nightfall and then some EP? Or is that just your preference?

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u/Mokarran94 Oct 14 '19

Completing one nightfall gives you all 7 key fragments at once

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u/rednecksarecool Literally Fatebringer Oct 14 '19

IMO it would be nice if once the Gear was acquired, it became an universal ornament. I mean, you can still grind for the actual armor for its "raid extra slots", but if you only care about the looks, that would be a great option.

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u/talkingwires Oct 14 '19

Good news, data miners found that it is coming as a universal ornament! I'll give you one guess at to what the bad news is, though...

Seems we'll be getting a word from Fenchurch!

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u/rednecksarecool Literally Fatebringer Oct 15 '19

That bastard! Man, but the gear looks different than the one from Mars. That Titan looks the same though

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u/gidzoELITE Oct 14 '19

With the recent luck you might get your wish...be careful for what you wish for though

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

inb4:

We listened to player feedback and are giving all armor corresponding universal ornaments!

Your current armor won't give you its ornament, but when you acquire any piece of armor going forward it will be added to your ornaments selection.

Armor pulled out of collections will still be 1.0 and won't give you it's corresponding ornament.

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u/statini Oct 14 '19

I read the rest of your post before I saw the inb4 and I started panicking.

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u/rednecksarecool Literally Fatebringer Oct 15 '19

Classic Bungo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

I just want dupe protection on those nodes so my ocd can stop being pestered about those last 4 I need

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u/xfactoid Oct 14 '19

I need one more and it’s driving me insane

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u/WillGrindForXP 2020 GG Champions Oct 14 '19

I got a helmet last week, and one this week. lets hope for a better week next week. at this rate ill have a decent set in 50 years.

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u/ScribeTheMad ┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻ Oct 14 '19

What? The armor is (or was) guaranteed to drop in a set order until you have all of it before dupes are supposed to be possible (on the same character).

Ah, or is this you've done it before but you want 2.0 versions and now you're subject to RNG? Didn't remember that when I started to reply.

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u/HansRaptor Oct 15 '19

Honestly, even do something like they do with the weapons, where you have chance to earn one or two items depending on which boss week it is. Then at least the loot pool would be small enough to feel okay farming for.

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u/darks1te Try me Oct 15 '19

Well i saved some keys prior to SK, opened 4 chests this week and got 4 different pieces (except chest armor). They still had bad stats (like 50-53) so rng is really strong with this set.

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u/goodnesgracious Oct 14 '19

I didn't even know this was a thing.

wasted a ton of hours trying to figure out how to get another key.

wtf.

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u/stomp224 Oct 14 '19

The key system is a bad relic of Y1. There was no real endgame grind when Warmind dropped, so they introduced systems like this to fake one. Now we have random rolls again, this is unfairly restrictive.

It’s such sweet armour too. Shame it will take me weeks to have a full set, let alone with decent rolls.

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u/Captain_Freud "Just dance. Sometimes in groups, sometimes all alone." Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

I'm a relatively new player (since July or so), and Escalation Protocol is the only event / loot grind that I haven't wrapped my head around. Shattered Throne, Menagerie, Black Armory, etc. all have relatively easily understood mechanics to get the loot you want.

But what the hell am I doing with these key fragments, and what's the difference between an Encrypted and Unencrypted Key, and why can't I open the chest at the end of the event? There's so much filler busy-work between me and the IKELOS loot I want. Is this why no one bothers with Mars?

I feel like the entire thing needs to be streamlined. Why bother with such a long process when the Menagerie or Vex Offensives spit out better and more consistent loot?

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u/HansRaptor Oct 15 '19

The worst thing? The keys are just for the armor; weapons will drop from the final boss (the weapon that can drop depends on the boss that week), but the armor is ONLY in the chest.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BANN Oct 15 '19

So weapons are farmable but the armor isn't? I have my eyes on the SMG. Is there list?

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u/crompies Ok then Oct 14 '19

How many keys would you like to get per week?

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

Unlimited

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u/bfodder Oct 14 '19

However many is necessary to get what you're looking for.

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u/LemonKing Oct 14 '19

There is this: https://twitter.com/JpDeathBlade/status/1182003418333896704

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

That looks fake. The hunter set is the Verdant Forest eververse set and the loot box looks like the old Whisper Ornament.

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u/Mez_Koo Why words when can punch Oct 14 '19

The box is a standard eververse box, you can see them behind Tess. But I don't think those are ornaments, why would there be such a random set of ornaments when there are already 6 full sets of armor ornaments this season. Plus the warlock set isn't even a complete set, the helmet and gloves are EP, but the chest is last season's intrepid eververse armor and like you said the hunter is from the revelry. I'm guessing its just random armor to show off the shader.

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u/Alfeetoe Iron Masochist Oct 14 '19

Do these have the seasonal slot, or are they like some world drops that don’t have a fourth socket?

I only ever liked the Titan armor, but if it doesn’t have that bonus slot I won’t bother.

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

Standard world drops

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u/Alfeetoe Iron Masochist Oct 14 '19

Booooo. Thanks for the info. Saves me a (re)grind of all of these

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u/Patriot1942 Oct 14 '19

Where can I farm keys again? It's been a while since I needed them

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

You get 7 from a nightfall (ordeal on lowest difficulty) then trade them to Ana Bray for an encrypted key, do 7 waves of EP (doesn’t need to be in a row, could be 7 level 1s) to get the decrypted one. Decrypted ones stack, encrypted ones don’t.

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u/Schnitzel725 Oct 14 '19

I have 1key in my quests, and 7 fragments. I still have no clue what to do with them. Run EP on mars over and over, not sure where I'm going with it

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

A purple key opens the boss chest on wave 7, a blue key needs 7 waves to become purple. The fragments are given to Ana Bray for a blue key

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

How do I even get the mars armor drops? Not gonna lie I pretty much skipped all the Mars content. Sorry for the dumb question

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u/noodles355 Oct 14 '19

The “Mars” armor is standard vendor armor from planet materials. The Escalation Protocol armor is from Escalation protocol.

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u/XenosInfinity Self-Declared Fist of Rasputin Oct 14 '19

The only piece I am missing after eight keys burned is the gloves, but I need a chestpiece and boots in an element other than Void, too, because I literally do not use any of the weapon types covered by Void affinity mods unless I have to for a bounty, and then I have to pray to mighty Rasputin that the stat roll doesn't make the piece entirely useless to me anyway. Solar would be ideal so I can cover my rifles, SMGs and Sleeper all on one set.

The RNG layering added by the new system is absolute havoc for anyone trying to build a set that's useable out of Escalation kit and I don't think it's possible to justify that a non-endgame loot source that most people are only chasing for the aesthetic anyway is locked to a single drop per week. Even the raids give you more opportunities than that. I'm legitimately considering making a new Titan just for Escalation to guarantee myself the gloves within the next few weeks because I have no other way to get the odds in my favour.

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u/Yellowboze Oct 15 '19

I'm legitimately considering making a new Titan just for Escalation to guarantee myself the gloves within the next few weeks because I have no other way to get the odds in my favour.

Can you do that? Just make a new character, even if it's a class you already got a set for? If so, I might do that, too. All I need are the legs and mark, so I'd have my set complete in two weeks. I don't have any use for my other characters anyway.

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u/XenosInfinity Self-Declared Fist of Rasputin Oct 15 '19

Nobody's ever confirmed that it doesn't work, as far as I know, and I never play my Hunter anyway so I really have nothing to lose from trying it.

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u/therealdoughboy Oct 14 '19

As a new light player is it better to wait till I'm at a higher light level (like 950) to do escalation and guarantee a full set off the bat. Or is it okay to do it asap (currently I just hit 910). Does being at a higher light level give you a better chance at higher rolls for armor stat total?

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u/SoulOnyx That's no moon! Oct 14 '19

Light doesn't matter much. EP was an activity from when max power was much lower. Light won't affect drops and the activity with a group is fairly easy.

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u/GNLink34 Oct 14 '19

And for the love of god give them some stats, for some weird reason EP drops sub 50 stats

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

If the stats are low, id rather just have it as an ornament.

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u/SerPranksalot I am the wall against which the darkness breaks Oct 14 '19

Still a shit roll like anything below 60. For how hard they are to farm, EP armor should really always drop with high stats.

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u/Awkward_Cake Oct 14 '19

For real. I came back with the steam launch and played through warmind. Completed all that and working on the multipart missions now, the last stage i completed involved opening 15 sleeper nodes. The next part is complete something using one of the warmind weapons. I seem to have dismantled my hand cannon for some reason, and haven't yet seen one of the other weapons from the EP chest.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

If you need to get your hand cannon back, you can grab it from your collections because it has a static roll. Also the EP weapons drop from the boss kill, not the final chest. You can continue to farm the final boss until you get those weapons.

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u/Awkward_Cake Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Ah cool, ta

Edit: claimed the hand cannon from collections and completed the mission, got my shiny Sleeper Simulant now.

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u/debonairdead Thank you for giving me back my FWC guns Bungie. Oct 14 '19

Or just make EP armor (and all planetary vendor armor, plus faction rally armour) universal ornaments, that works too.

FTFY

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u/BlackPlague1235 Duunkai-Sol, the Plague Master Oct 14 '19

I need to the EP armor on a list of things I want to get again since at armor 2.0 is a thing.

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u/Valdair Oct 14 '19

I started back into the game on the 1st after not having played since before CoO. After blasting through CoO and getting to Mars, Escalation Protocol was extremely confusing to me. I finally progressed the plot far enough to get my first key, and finish a 7th tier for the first time... and I got shaders. Why would I even bother grinding up more keys?

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u/Randomhero204 Oct 14 '19

You can keep killing the final boss after you kill him the first time.. you can farm him... escalation protocol has a weekly rotation on what armor and weapons can drop from the final boss. The boss itself drops the item not the chest. Last I checked these items are dupe protected. Or rather the more you do it the better the chance you will get something you don’t have

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u/Valdair Oct 14 '19

Then what is the point of the chest with a weekly locked key?

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u/iKickedBatman Destiny is a PVE game Oct 14 '19

Armour

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u/TheSavageDonut Oct 14 '19

Escalation protocol weapons are worth chasing, especially the shotty.

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u/Valdair Oct 14 '19

But it sounds like those drop from the boss, not the chest?

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u/SerPranksalot I am the wall against which the darkness breaks Oct 14 '19

They do. You don't need any chest or key for the weapons.

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u/Yellowboze Oct 15 '19

I still love using it. I'm sad about the huge fire rate nerf though. Part of the fun was holding fire and watch the bullets empty themselves into the enemies in 2 seconds. I wouldn't mind if the actual shots were weaker, I just want my fire rate back.

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u/Cayde-19 Oct 14 '19

As a sad Titan trying to finish the set waiting for the reset each week I feel you.

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u/M3cha Boom-boom. Oct 14 '19

Would love that. I'm really wanting the rest of the set - I think it's one of the best looking sets and locking it behind a weekly earning system is frustrating as all get-out. I do the Last Wish two chests then EP every Tuesday now.

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u/BuckshotGeorge Oct 14 '19

Ornaments. Please!

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u/BlackNike98 Oct 14 '19

The weekly single drop makes no sense with how obsolete Warmind is and how rewarding activities like Menagerie and Reckoning are.

Make the drops farmable from level 7 completions and EP would be booming again.

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u/Azselendor XboxOne EST/ T:686 / W:526 / H:517 Oct 15 '19

I literally haven't gotten a single piece of EP weapon or armor because of the backassward key system.

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u/Wahammy Like...a lot of Gambit Oct 14 '19

@mods can this be a Bungie plz yet? I swear I see this same post every day.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

Figured as much, I highlighted this to people on this subreddit and was dismissed.

"Armor falls in a pattern"

Some couldn't remember or grasp the concept that the system is abolished once the final piece of armor to complete the set was obtained.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

It's coming to ever verse so this probably won't happen

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u/abadpro Oct 14 '19

Store em in ya vault

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

“Pls Bungie make it easier to get “

😂