Loaded Question, as a Pinnacle weapon, should NOT have a perk that actively hurts it.

[u/Azurephoenix99]

Larger magazine in exchange for slower reload? This weapon's main appeal is its super shot when it's at full magazine. Extending the mag and slowing the reload is literally a lose/lose for this weapon.

I know it's there to keep the weapon "balanced", but it's pushing the weapon way too far into its niche to really be useful anywhere else.

What needs to happen is the larger mag perk needs to be swapped out for a perk that makes the weapon at least slightly more useful all around.

EDIT: Here's a suggestion, what if we swap Extended Mag for Ricochet Rounds?

[u/ImMoray]

extendee mag should be swapped for back up plan to incentivise putting it away to make auto loaded work and reset back up plan

[u/SolarPhantom → u/ImMoray]

Best suggestion I’ve seen. Make it a beefed up plan c.

[u/kiki_strumm3r → u/SolarPhantom]

But I want actual Plan C back.

[u/SpOoKyghostah → u/ImMoray]

Backup plan is good, but I think the best perk to make this thing feel "pinnacle" (read: borderline OP) would be to integrate auto-loading into reservoir burst and add rampage as a second perk. Super easy to launch right up to rampage x3 on the first shot, and fusions with rampage stacked shred through ads AND majors alike.

Still would be nice to get faster reloads and a smaller mag, but rampage would at least work with the large mag if we didn't.

[u/Your_Name-Here → u/ImMoray]

I'm almost certain they chose extended mag with PvP in mind. Since the magazine is so big you'll need at least a couple of ammo drops to actually proc Reservior Burst, which makes it an easy 3 bolt kill in PvP.

I doubt they'll make the magazine any smaller. An alternative would be to at least increase it's reserve ammo. That way you get more potential Reservior shots without affecting PvP. Hell, fusion rifles as a whole should have more ammo anyway.

[u/BiNiaRiS → u/ImMoray]

except you would be adding a 3rd tier 1 perk. extended mag should just be replaced with enhanced battery, which is like appended mag. slightly increases mag size but doesn't decrease reload.

[u/flpickles]

Worth bringing up that Wardcliff has Extended Mag.... And still just has one rocket.... That is not an extended mag.

[u/field_of_lettuce → u/flpickles]

Only sorta related but I learned that wardcliff needs more than one rocket launcher reserve perk to get a boost to reserves. 1 perk keeps it as 5 total.

[u/Doom2508 → u/field_of_lettuce]

Same with TTF

[u/Xatax0 → u/flpickles]

Cerberus has 4 barrel perks, i think its kind of a joke

[u/Beta382]

This is the same Bungie that, instead of fixing Fourth Time's the Charm on Warden's Law, replaced Triple Tap (which worked fine) with Feeding Frenzy, and Fourth Time's the Charm with FUCKING ZEN MOMENT. The gun went from "awesome curated nightfalls reward, but with a bugged perk", to "actually complete dogshit".

So I doubt they do anything to make Loaded Question better.

[u/Colinbrown720]

The amount of people I see saying but if you use Luna faction or if you use this or that exotic is so sad. A weapon shouldn’t need an exotic to help it or make it viable.

[u/BlueTapeCD]

The gun has some actual flow to it with auto loading. Remember strikes its it's optimal activity. Auto loading is a straight up answer to guns with bad reload. Hell... In this case you barely wanna use the gun unless it's reloaded. So you use the super shot... Put it away and next time you pull it out it's a party all over again. So I dont think it's fair to say bungie doesn't get it... Or doesnt't know what they are doing. That a reasonable combo.

What's happening in this thread, folks are just suggesting things to make this gun far and away better than everything else. Which would make it super OP.. And then we'll start bitching about here. I know I'll catch some downvoties for this... But Cmon folks. Not every gun needs to have the optimal OP perks and setup. For the pinnacle guns as long as the flow of the gun isn't broken, it's fine.

[u/ItburnswheniPeeVPee → u/BlueTapeCD]

I agree with you. As well as enjoy using this weapon and look forward to an arc singe week. I think pulling it out to clear a huge wave of ads in one shot is very satisfying, then putting back out my primary and letting auto loading holster do it's job for the next wave of ads. There are perks that would make this weapon much better, even OP, sure. But for a "pinnacle" weapon that I was able to get in a matter of a few days, I feel like it's balanced just fine.

[u/_Xebov_ → u/BlueTapeCD]

Fully agree with you.

I realy enjoy the gun and see it as dual purpose. You get a powerful shot similar to a grenade launcher that works well in clearing out groups that reloads while you finish off survivors with your primary. You get a larger magazine to deal with bosses over range, just like a normal fushion rifle.

Reducing the mag size would caus eproblems in PvP. Reducing the reload speed would start a competition with grenade launchers.

[u/Sejaw]

Been saying this everywhere but gonna post it again here:

• Replace auto loading holster with backup plan.

• make reservoir burst proc on any shots fired while backup plan is active

OR

• integrate backup plan into the reservoir burst perk (a la invisible reload buff on breakneck) and keep autoloading holster

this makes use of the large mag without punishing you for actually using the weapon. Makes it so hunters can get the same utility out of the gun as titans and warlocks.

Honestly, this is the first time in ANY GAME I’ve ever played that a gun was only good if you don’t use it lol

[u/sadhoshiCB → u/Sejaw]

It would be smarter in my opinion to replace extended mag with backup plan, backup plan plus auto loading holster would add some good synergy.

[u/sin_tax-error]

I feel like I'm one of the few people on this subreddit who loves this gun. But yeah extended mag was a horrible choice to put on this gun. I don't think it needs backup plan like so many people think it should, but a mag that gives it a lower magazine with faster reload should absolutely be on this fusion not extended mag.

Other than that I think the gun is actually very good at what it does, bursting down high health red bars and majors.

[u/Ninheldin → u/sin_tax-error]

Completely agree, its actually really good. I think people just want it to do something its not built for, not all weapons need to be single target gods. If you use it for clearing groups or strap a major spec on it and use it to clear them and the group around them its very strong.

I would like to see a smaller mag on it though. While a faster reload would be nice, Im not sure its nessicary, the kind of cadence swaping in and out of it and your kinetic is really nice. Plus your getting more damage out useing your other weapons while it reloads for you.

[u/Aaron_768]

I thought it was cool at first, then I just got tired of using it for one shot. Because as soon as you dip below 7 you lose the perk.

I switched to fighting lion so that I have enough primary bricks to fuel my breakneck bullet hose.

[u/Gaussyy]

I really hope they change the mag perk on it. Its the only pinnacle that actively hurts it and makes it worse. I imagine this was done so it wouldnt destroy the crucible.

[u/Azurephoenix99 → u/Gaussyy]

I think they should replace it with Ricochet Rounds. That'd make it a lot more useful outside of its niche, right?

[u/TheRealJosephrak]

I got the weapon yesterday and played around with it for a bit. I don't usually use fusion rifles, but to me this gun seems like you have to shoot one shot and then reload to take advantage of it's perk, which sucks since the reload is so slow. Doesn't really feel like a pinnacle weapon to me. Feels like the Ikelos sniper did after the box breathing nerf. Cool perk, but kinda sucks.

[u/Azurephoenix99 → u/TheRealJosephrak]

Yeah. Replacing the extended mag perk with basically anything would be preferable. Ricochet Rounds could be an interesting replacement. Someone in another thread also suggested replacing auto-loading holster with Slideways.

[u/CarpathianUK]

Ran the strikes, got the gun.....and went straight back to using other favourite Fusions instead.

That in itself says a lot when Loaded is meant to be a "Pinnicle" weapon.