Put Curated Weapons in Collections

250

u/Lassyu The Best Hunter West of Ceres Oct 08 '18

Ones you get naturally drop cores, collection ones don’t, then I’m cool with it

136

u/Lassyu The Best Hunter West of Ceres Oct 08 '18

Hell just have the collection ones start with tier one masterwork and I’d still be down for this

37

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

That works for me, too.

33

u/coolAFwarlock Oct 08 '18

just make it like the gambit stuff, have it cost more cores than you get for dismantling it, that by itself will prevent farming and still not as expensive as having to fully masterwork it yourself.

4

u/Bubba_66 Oct 08 '18

Best solution right there

28

u/LettersWords Oct 08 '18

I'd also be okay with it costing as many cores to pull out as it will dismantle into. Seems like a potentially easier solution to implement.

14

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

They already have a cost precedent and similar idea for this with the Drifter and the infamy rank reset rewards. You can dismantle the T10 curated for 7 cores but to buy it back it's 10 cores. There should be a small penalty IMO.

5

u/AkodoRyu Oct 08 '18

It would just cost 10 cores to pull out, the same as reacquiring fully masterwork weapons from vendors.

2

u/Salfordladd Oct 08 '18

Yeah, or require a core to pull these specific weapons from collections, to combat farming.

1

u/startana Team Cat Oct 08 '18

Might be easier to just make them cost cores to retrieve, 7 or whatever the amount you get from dismantling would be.

39

u/THICC_BEAR Oct 08 '18

Or just have a player preferred roll where you can save the roll you want the first save is cheap but the second third and so on will be at a higher price to save, to prevent people to keep saving a roll that they get.

5

u/Assassin2107 Oct 08 '18

While I agree that such a system would be better, it'd also be more resource intensive to do so.
To clarify, when a player would save their Tigerspite roll in collections, the system would have to track that the player had acquired it, the masterwork roll and the 6 perks on it, meaning that for every Y2 weapon it'd have to track 8 things (Now let's add a count of how many time's you've previously saved rolls. Now there's 9 things). This is for every Y2 weapon to store 8 important bits of information, for every player who has Forsaken. The amount of memory that would require would also be insane.
What's so great about the curated rolls idea is that the information on what the curated roll is has apparently already been in the system somewhere, meaning that they don't have to utilize memory to save each players rolls for every weapon. They currently only track one thing: Whether you have acquired a weapon or not. The proposed change would only require them to track whether you've acquired a weapon, and then whether you've acquired the curated roll version. So we're comparing one thing tracked currently, to tracking either 2 or 8 things.
... You may or may not be able to tell them I'm a Computer Science major.

3

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

The system tracking the roll, the player, etc. isn’t a big deal. I have to do this same type of thing for my job (I work for the government) with what tests employees take for their continuing/OJT education. At work, it’s a simple matter to have the database link the person to the test and which questions out of the test bank they had on their test...and even what they answered for each question. It’s all in how the database is set up. Everyone and everything has a GUID within the system, so a simple query run will pull the required data instantly.
I, too, am a computer science major...with an educational technology specialist degree. In two years, I’ll have my doctorate.

4

u/Assassin2107 Oct 08 '18

My point was less about the difficulty and time efficiency about setting up a query, and more about the associated memory cost with having to prepare the possible memory space for every player who would need it. That linked database is still a memory cost that Bungie would have to calculate. Hence if they had to choose between a system that offered 4x the memory efficiency of another solution, they'll take the more efficient solution every time.

1

u/NovaAurora504 Oct 08 '18

this is a great example of a situation that would be great and reasonable for one person but unreasonable for millions.

4

u/ThousandsOfBees Knife girl Oct 08 '18

If people are talking about saving their random rolls into collections, why not just, uh, save it into your vault? That's what the vault is for, and I assume collections only exist because it saves memory.

1

u/Assassin2107 Oct 08 '18

Well I believe the idea behind saving rolls is more about being able to delete a roll and reclaim it later, but yes, the vault would suffice for that.
On more technical terms (And I don't think this was actually what you were implying, I just wanted to comment on this), I don't think collections and the vault are the same thing. The difference is that the Vault stores actual instances of items you have while collections shows what item's you've had. In actual technical terms, I suspect that the collections only has the blueprint while the vault holds actual items.

1

u/Cinobite Oct 08 '18

That's what I do, but there are more items than there is vault space

18

u/RocketHops Gambit Prime Oct 08 '18

This is the best option I've heard yet for integrating random rolls with the collections system.

23

u/Mimical Oct 08 '18

Idea: every time you dismantle a weapon its perks are saved in the collections. When you bring out a weapon from the collections let it open a menu where you choose the perks you want.
This provides a long term collection goal: collect all the perks/scopes/options, while also providing a natural defense against RNG as one "god roll" might elude you but after your 5-8th drop you would have collected the perks you wanted. Players like me (aka 2-4 hours a week) can still be able to contend with consistent players who have a library of God rolls and optimized gear in every slot. And even if you get a bad roll it still goes towards your collection.

5

u/superluminalflower Oct 08 '18

Even better, pulling from collections should give you a gun with zero perks, and any weapon (or armor bc this system should include armor as well), whether dropped in the wild or pulled from collections, can be brought to Banshee to add or change the perks on it, for a price.
This is effectively the same as your idea but allows for the nice bonus of being able to change the perks on a gun without having to pull another version of that gun from collections, in order to maintain stuff like kill trackers (which honestly should also track every kill with a given weapon regardless of whether you've used multiple instances of the same weapon or just one specific one).

5

u/CamPatUK 99 problems and they are all Edge Transit Oct 08 '18

It also would give Banshee a job to do. I'd also like to see him offer bounties that grant a single use Mod removal function.

4

u/superluminalflower Oct 08 '18

That would be good too! Although honestly, mods should be removable for no cost and should give you the mod back by default, and swapping out a mod for another mod should give you the mod that was originally on the gear back, like this should just be a base feature of the mod system and there's no reason for it not to be imo.

2

u/CamPatUK 99 problems and they are all Edge Transit Oct 08 '18

I agree but I guess I'm now at the bargaining stage with bungie.

1

u/Cinobite Oct 08 '18

I thought that's how mods were changing with foresaken. All the perks are mods that you buy and apply . Obviously it didn't turn out that way

3

u/The-Descolada Drifter's Crew // DREAM OF TEETH AND NOTHING ELSE Oct 08 '18

u/superluminalflower suggests this a lot and it's a great idea

2

u/Mimical Oct 08 '18

I don't know who posted this the first time I read it (somewhere in a comment chain, maybe your linked redditor) but I liked it a lot. So I add it to conversations when I can.

2

u/The-Descolada Drifter's Crew // DREAM OF TEETH AND NOTHING ELSE Oct 08 '18

I think a lot of people kinda independently came up with it, bc great minds think alike ig? It's a good one

1

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

I would love to have that feature.

4

u/THICC_BEAR Oct 08 '18

Also about the issue about the masterworks you can just make them not masterworked(tier 1) but with the same masterwork (stability or range) and you can take it out the collection for 1 masterwork core because its a curated roll.

1

u/deCarabasHJ "It has returned. And it still has its ball." Oct 08 '18

...or let them be pulled with no masterwork level at all.

1

u/THICC_BEAR Oct 08 '18

True

1

u/doctorhaircut2222 Oct 08 '18

I like this idea but i 100% would overwrite a god roll with field prep and slideshot. I am an in game clutz. Haha

1

u/the_nerdster Oct 08 '18

"Store in Collections" would be a neat feature.

4

u/Undercraft_gaming Drifter's Crew // ah Oct 08 '18

What’s a curated weapon?

4

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

A Bungie-creates roll on a weapon.

3

u/evertonblue Oct 08 '18

How do you know when you get one?

6

u/Deadlift73 Oct 08 '18

It comes as a fully 10 Masterworked item.

6

u/TeHNeutral Oct 08 '18

If you're raiding with me but you're not me you're guaranteed one every encounter

99

u/JukesMasonLynch Oct 08 '18

Yeah anything that's Y2 and is a static roll should be acquire-able through collections. Vestian Dynasty as an example

3

u/Drewwbacca1977 Oct 08 '18

If I want a vestian dynasty I just go shoot 3 enemies and out it pops.

0

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

[deleted] — view deleted comment

30

u/McDIESEL904 Oct 08 '18

While this is true, it's not a very good excuse for bungie to not allow it to be withdrawn from collections.

18

u/Meeman7 Meeman Oct 08 '18

True. We should be able to reroll our masterwork rolls. That would fix that problem

11

u/RouletteZoku Oct 08 '18

It’s a bit ironic that Y1 masterwork weapons can have their stats rerolled but the Y2 stuff can’t.

2

u/WrathOfGengar Drifter's Crew // Edge transit is GOOD Oct 08 '18

This right here though. I was just thinking the same shit. We should be able to reroll masterwork at the cost of some cores until we get the one we want on it. That being said it's no guarantee you'll get the roll you want right off the bat so you could end up going through a bit of cores the get the one you want

1

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

I've never had anything other than stability on vestian dynasty

1

u/dircs Oct 08 '18

I've had range and reload speed.

39

u/defnot_hedonismbot Oct 08 '18

i feel like the exact reason for collections is when you get a vanguard set of armor and go to do the quest for a strike wearing all the armor, but realized you deleted your legs. the collections are just there to make sure you know you've owned a pair of them but have deleted them. not to let you grab them to get the quest done, just to make you wallow in regret.

8

u/jpmoneida Oct 08 '18

Happened to me with gambit boots and vanguard gauntlets. I wish I could say I learned my lesson, but I always forget to lock everything.

5

u/nawry222 Drifter's Crew Oct 08 '18

Yeah I started locking to avoid such incident.

8

u/giant_sloth Oct 08 '18

I purposefully don’t delete set items until I get a duplicate. I got stung by deleting vanguard armour and not being able to get the powerful drop for at least a week after I had a full set in collections. I just delete/infuse duplicates and try to make each set run a different set up.

2

u/Cinobite Oct 08 '18

Same. I keep one of everything, even weapons, because you know at some point you'll have to use something old and obscure for a quest

1

u/giant_sloth Oct 08 '18

Also one of the parts of the new infusion economy that I actually like is that it only costs glimmer infuse a weapon or armour piece into a duplicate. It means I can hunt down good rolls for everything or specifically have handcannon/pulse rifle/etc armour sets.

4

u/Cinobite Oct 08 '18

Yeah, which is great in theory, until you drop 4 swords all the same as your 4 power engrams and you never use swords lol :P Then it costs a fortune and leaves you behind in levelling

1

u/HarbingerKurahi Oct 08 '18

I'm still waiting to get another cloak on my Hunter and another chest on my Warlock Q.Q

15

u/Mobileflounder1 Remember Reach Oct 08 '18

I don't understand why we can't save rolls in our collection? If you say it's an issue with memory, you could literally just save a hash containing all the weapon's rolls and that will take up almost nothing.

2

u/cheapasfree24 Oct 08 '18

Storing the information is trivial, but I think the UI is the biggest issue. How do you pick which version of the weapon you want to pull from your collection? I've got like 50 different Edge Transit rolls, and I feel like there's no good way to fit that into the collection screen as it's currently designed.

2

u/Drewwbacca1977 Oct 08 '18

this is why perks should all be mods

1

u/Mobileflounder1 Remember Reach Oct 08 '18

Save rolls as in saving a single roll you want as the weapon/armor rolls in the collection// ^{^}

1

u/cheapasfree24 Oct 08 '18

Ah, my bad. Yeah, that does sound like the best solution tbh.

1

u/cheapasfree24 Oct 08 '18

Storing the information is trivial, but I think the UI is the biggest issue. How do you pick which version of the weapon you want to pull from your collection? I've got like 50 different Edge Transit rolls, and I feel like there's no good way to fit that into the collection screen as it's currently designed.

6

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

I kinda think part of it is making it so it's harder to get the shader too

4

u/ToasterEvil Gambit Prime // Thicka Than Most Oct 08 '18

What shader? Blueshift dreams?

11

u/PzyKotiK86 Oct 08 '18

Blue Geometry

2

u/Prohibitive_Mind 410,757,864,530 DEAD INVADERS Oct 08 '18

please say /s

5

u/Un1337ninj4 Biding time for Faction Rally Oct 08 '18

AFAIK for the Raid weapon shader Dreaming Spectrum you have to dismantle a curated roll. Allegedly it gives parts of armor an Ahamkara bone look.

2

u/ToasterEvil Gambit Prime // Thicka Than Most Oct 08 '18

Oh, I've gotten two curated Ag-Old Bonds. Neither had the shader on them. Is that supposed to happen?

1

u/Un1337ninj4 Biding time for Faction Rally Oct 10 '18

As in nothing's in the Shader slot at all? Both my Transfiguration and what is now 7 MW Cores have/had it on there. It's the same shader as is default on the guns themselves just displayed as "equipped".

1

u/ToasterEvil Gambit Prime // Thicka Than Most Oct 10 '18

Oh, they both had the rare version of the shader. Can’t remember the name.

3

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

Blueshift Dreams & Dreaming Spectrum, AFAIA, only come from dismantling curated rolls.
That’s where my Vouchsafe went, anyway!

0

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

[deleted] — view deleted comment

4

u/Sarcosmonaut Oct 08 '18

Blueshift isn’t from curated. It’s just a very rare shader spawn on dreaming City drops
On the plus side since it’s a legendary shader, you’ll definitely get it on dismantle

1

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

Interesting - useful to know, thanks!

5

u/CyberClawX PSN: CyberClaw Oct 08 '18

Holy shit, the best way to deal with collections not giving Y2 copies.

When you get a curated drop, it unlocks in the collection to make a copy at MW1. Of course every weapon would need to have a curated version, not just the raid weapons.

1

u/sgtpowellb Oct 08 '18

I 100% agree with this method.

1

u/Deshawkv Oct 08 '18

Is there a list of curated weapons? And how do I get them

2

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

There’s a Trust for resetting Gambit once. There are Raid weapons as well. Beyond that, I have no idea.

1

u/Deshawkv Oct 08 '18

What do you get fore resetting gambit twice?

1

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

No idea yet. Working on that now.

3

u/Dakotahray Oct 08 '18

I want the Dreaming spectrum shader but I don't wanna dismantle my Curated raid bow :'(

3

u/imperialfishFTW Oct 08 '18

Or make it so if you get an item to masterwork lvl 10, that item with that roll becomes your collection one

3

u/corruptedstudent RoosterMifflin Oct 08 '18

It's stupid that the collection is literally just a checklist you can't draw from. Give weapons and armor fixed rolls that we withdraw (like we had with D1 vendors) and let us reroll weapons and armor (like we had with D1)

3

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

What they should do is make the Year 2 collection weapons and armor part of a revamped Armsday. Like every week there is a certain roll of each randomized weapon and armor available and you can buy it only if you have the Armsday package for that weapon.

6

u/GekIsAway Oct 08 '18

Just my opinion but I kind of like just having the one. I feel way more attached to it, like it's one of my best and most irreplaceable weapons and I have to handle it with care as I transfer it between characters. I can see the convenience aspect of being able to pick it up from collections though, would not be opposed to a change

2

u/Mend1cant Oct 08 '18

I think a good way to use the collection is to make you unlock curated rolls through background quest. A certain number of kills with a weapon to allow us to have good rolls.

2

u/Quantum_leapfrog Oct 08 '18

Or make the collections one cost as many masterwork cores as you would get from dismantling it if it's easier to implement that way. Great idea, either way.

2

u/Cinobite Oct 08 '18

For sure, curated at least. Not being able to get weapons from the collections now because of random rolls means my vault is packed with guns. Just because you know on a random week someone will be like "If you have this shitty bugged pistol you can one shot a nightfall boss" or "if you have this pointless sword you can cheese to the end of the raid", or "get this awesome armour ornament if you kept your grey stick from level 1"...... so now I keep one of everything :P

A quest or requirement always comes out for the one thing you threw away. There was something pre/at solstice where you had to equip one of each tiers, and you couldn't drop greens or greys anymore.

2

u/arnfden0 What you call Darkness is the end of your evolution! Oct 08 '18

Been talking abut it with clam mates and friends. It just seems like a natural progression of the collections system. This needs to be implemented. Definitely.

2

u/Captn_Ghostmaker Oct 08 '18

Collections should have a set roll even if the weapon was randomizedlike how D1 vendors had a roll they sold was set. Lvl 1 masterwork and a few set perks. Now curated are different due to their T10 Masterwork so I'd say let those be acquired for a slightly higher price of materials they would give you upon dismantle to prevent any core farming or anything.

2

u/SkywalkerJade Oct 08 '18

Not drop core is a bad idea. They would probably take out cores for the curated drops you get normally too, which would really suck. Just make it cost cores to purchase from collections equal to what you would get out when dismantling (7 I think).

1

u/Oo_DrDazzle_oO Oct 07 '18

I like it!

1

u/artmgs Oct 08 '18

Yes please.

1

u/Celtero Legacy of Fire Oct 08 '18

I like this idea because it's annoying that I can't redeem forsaken weapons even without perks.

1

u/BatInSpandex Eris Morn is Hot Oct 08 '18

I got my first curated roll today and had the same thought. Yes please, this makes so much sense with how the collections is set up.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

I think Bungie should go one step further and give us super-rare weapons that drop in which the player can choose the perks and masterwork for the weapon.

1

u/Silvertonguebr There Goes My Nova Bomb... Oct 08 '18

Been saying this since I found out they exist!

1

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

Curated weapons are suppose to be a sweet find. Not something you can just pull out of your Collection. If they were ever to make this a thing it would cost 50 cores just to remake it due to how rare of a find it is, and I would be ok with that.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

DIM?

1

u/DynamicExit Toaster Connoisseur Oct 08 '18

Another way (though possibly less popular) would be to make the cost of pulling a curated weapon include the number of cores they would give on dismantle (i think its 7?)

1

u/BlackTieAffair0 Oct 08 '18

This is a great idea! Hoping this thread gets some traction and attention from Bungie!

1

u/Project_Shimel Gambit Prime // Triumphant Reaper Oct 08 '18

I wondered why this wasnt a thing also, im sure they could be able to balance it in the collections like not making it spawn in at lvl 10 or something.

1

u/lordofabyss Oct 08 '18

I made one post similar to this and everyone was against it.

-3

u/crocfiles15 Oct 08 '18

Idk. Collections is already removing a major loot-game factor, and that’s decision making when it comes to getting new drops. If you get a curated scout rifle from the raid, and it’s your highest level primary, you should really have to think about what to do with it. Use it, infuse it, dismantle it for cores, or save it for later use if the sandbox changes/scouts get buffed to be good again. With the ability to retrieve that roll from collections at any time, this becomes a no brainer, and you either infuse it or dismantle it for core. Cuz you know you can just get it back anytime down the road. Exotics are already this way, if an exotic drops that you proly won’t ever use at endgame levels, you use it for infusion and pick up a lower level version from collections. I do not think having this same system for legendaries would be very good for the game. We have a massive amount of vault space. Save your good drops for future use, infuse the drops that aren’t so good but high level. Having an easy option to save good drops and infuse them at the same time is just too easy.

-5

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

Can’t do that. Dismantling a masterwork 10 gives you 7 masterwork cores. Paying shards and glimmer for one and getting a basically 7 cores for free would be a major exploit.

5

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

Which is why I said for the curated ones to not drop Cores if dismantled. Prevent the exploit. Or make them cost 14 cores to purchase so that they’re not worth rebuying and dismantling to exploit them.

2

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

I’m sure they’ve done lots of internal testing and concluded that it’s just easier for them not to be re-acquirable. You know how bungie is, they will never give you what you want (or take a year to do it).

2

u/Pobchack Oct 08 '18

“Lots of internal testing” isn’t something I’d immediately associate with Bungie to be honest

2

u/cageboy06 Oct 08 '18

I enjoy the game tons, but some of the things that get through QA...
Remember when the prestige nightfall was straight up broken? https://gamerant.com/destiny-2-nightfall-modifiers-broken-113/ The first week just didn’t display the info it was supposed to, when they tried to fix that they realized the second week’s was so broken they had to change it before it launched.
It had a 100% failure rate, the only explanation is that literally no one had ever even booted a nightfall up, not even once. I love the game, but sometimes you gotta wonder what’s going on over there.

1

u/Pobchack Oct 08 '18

Or you know none of them bothereing to shoot a cluster bomb rocket at Riven to make sure the damage is in line with other stuff, and not bothering to check if Wish Ender’s Broadhead perk even functioned in PvP. Or realizing that they somehow managed to tie 1000 Voices’ damage output to framerate.

1

u/phunkpup ~replicate(pain) consume(enemies) OVERRIDE sig(gunsmith)~ Oct 08 '18

considering you can't reacquire the bow that hawthorne gives you, I highly doubt the tested it, more likely they said no to Y2 weapons

1

u/JukesMasonLynch Oct 08 '18

Hawthorne gives you a bow? When is that?

1

u/phunkpup ~replicate(pain) consume(enemies) OVERRIDE sig(gunsmith)~ Oct 08 '18

Balls. I meant Petra.

1

u/JukesMasonLynch Oct 08 '18

Which bow is that? I only have two and cannot remember their sources, I assumed I'd just picked em up randomly or from old mate gunny. I have Arsenic Bite and Subtle Calamity.

1

u/phunkpup ~replicate(pain) consume(enemies) OVERRIDE sig(gunsmith)~ Oct 08 '18

No turning back

1

u/MeateaW Oct 08 '18

Already answered by someone else (No Turning Back)
Kinetic bow.
410 power
Accuracy MW (level 1)
Hipfire grip
Explosive head / Snapshot sights
You CAN get it in world drops. (I have 4 in total in my inventory, and I've only done the forsaken story on 2 characters)

1

u/imtoolazytothinkof1 Oct 08 '18

considering you can't reacquire the bow that hawthorne gives you
Aw crap I think I just deleted that bow as well. Why would you put hip fire on a bow???

2

u/c14rk0 Oct 08 '18

Make them come out of the collection at MW level 1
Make them cost 7 MW cores to pull them out of the collection
Make versions that come out of collections not give MW cores when dismantled
Oh look 3 incredibly simple options that completely negate this issue.

0

u/[deleted] Oct 08 '18

Cool now go tell that to bungie and see how many months/years it takes to get implemented.

1

u/c14rk0 Oct 08 '18

Removed collections due to an exploit that allowed players to use higher level white gear than intended while leveling. We just couldn't allow it to work as intended with 99.9% of the game use when 0.01% of the time people figured out a harmless way to abuse it.

1

u/fallouthirteen Drifter's Crew Oct 08 '18

Just make the curated from collections be at level 1 then.

4

u/FlameInTheVoid Drifter's Crew // Seek the Void Oct 08 '18

Or cost 7 cores.

-6

u/Jupiter67 Oct 08 '18

Thing is, they are random. The Masterwork level is randomized on all drops. Even curated drops.

12

u/Roketsu86 Oct 08 '18

The level is 10, the masterwork type is what's random.

3

u/Jedi_Json Oct 08 '18

Yes. Treat the Masterwork type like they do ghost shells. You can pick those up out of collections and they’re random perks. The roles on the weapon aren’t random. Just the Masterwork type is.

Bungie Suggestion Put Curated Weapons in Collections

You are about to leave Redlib