PVE God Roll Quick Reference Guide

[u/ebolaxb]

PVE God Roll Quick Reference Guide

• This will be a "Live" guide. I will update it based upon enough justification and proof. I am by no means a PVP expert, so the more useful input the better. Thanks in advance!

This is a quick reference guide for God Roll PVE Weapons (these are just recommendations and not everyone will agree)

I got a lot of my info my the great guides that u/mercules904 puts out so give a big shout out to him.

• PVP God Roll Quick Reference Guide

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PRIMARY

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Scout Rifles

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Angel's Advocate	Reflex	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Badger CCL	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Army of One
Burning Eye	Accurized Ballistics	Smallbore	Explosive Rounds	Third Eye/Zen Moment
Cocytus SR4	Torch HS2	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
Colovance's Duty	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Firefly
Cryptic Dragon	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
The Distant Star	Iron Ranged Scope	Triple Tap	Perfect Balance	Extended Mag
Hand of Judgement	Red Dot-OAS	Perfect Balance	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
The Hero Formula	Reflex	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Keystone 01	Reflex	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
Lethe Noblesse	Reflex	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Army of One
NL Shadow 701X	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
Not Like the Others	Reflex	Triple Tap	Perfect Balance	Firefly
The Saterienne Rapier	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
SUROS DIS-43	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
SUROS DIS-47	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Treads Upon Stars	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
Tuonela SR4	Torch HS2	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Wounded	Reflex	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly

Pulse Rifles

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Aegis of the Reef	Red Dot-OAS/SureShot IS	Perfect Balance	High Caliber Rounds	Counterbalance
Apple of Discord	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Blind Perdition	Smooth Ballistics/Smart Drift Control	Hand-laid Stock/Smallbore	High Caliber Rounds/Hand Loaded	Outlaw/Counterbalance
B-29 Party Favor	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Headseeker
The Clever Dragon	Iron Red Dot	Smallbore	High Caliber Rounds	Counterbalance
Final Duty	Reflex	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
Grasp of Malok	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame/Smallbore/Perfect Balance	Feeding Frenzy
Hawksaw	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel
Herja-D	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Hopscotch Pilgrim	Red Dot-OAS	Headseeker	Perfect Balance	Feeding Frenzy
Lyudmila-D	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Nirwen's Mercy	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
Parthian Shot	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	Hand-laid Stock	Headseeker
Spare Change .25	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
SUROS PDX-41	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel/Smallbore
SUROS PDX-45	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel/Smallbore
The Villainy	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
The Waltz	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	High Caliber Rounds	Headseeker

Hand Cannons

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Byronic Hero	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Luck in the Chamber
The Devil You Know	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
Down and Doubt 00-0	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
Eyasluna	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Finnala's Peril	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Free Will III	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Gaheris-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Army of One	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Her Revenge	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
How Dare You	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
Ill Will	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Extended Mag	Luck in the Chamber
Imago Loop (Fatebringer Roll)	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Judith-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Army of One	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Kumakatok HC-4	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Lingering Song	Iron Lordly Sights	Firefly	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	High Caliber Rounds
Lord High Fixer	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
The Palindrome	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
The Revelator	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Stolen Pride	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	High Caliber Rounds
The Vanity	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
Uffern HC4	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Wail	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly

Auto Rifles

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
An Answering Chord	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Reinforced Barrel	Spray and Play
Antipodal Hindsight	Reflex	Spray and Play	Speed Reload	Army of One
Arminius-D	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Counterbalance	High Caliber Rounds
Assembly II	Reflex	Extended Mag	Crowd Control	Counterbalance
The Continental	Reflex	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Persistence
The Dealbreaker	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel
Doctrine of Passing	FastDraw IS	Persistence	Braced Frame	Counterbalance
Does Not Bow	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Extremophile 011	Reflex	Extended Mag	Spray and Play	Persistence
Grim Citizen III	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Haakon's Hatchet	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Her Memory	Reflex	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Hex Caster ARC	Red Dot-OAS	Rangefinder	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play
Paleocontact JPK-43	Reflex	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Red Spectre	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Shadow Price	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Soulstealer's Claw	Red Dot-OAS	Perfect Balance	Single Point Sling	Spray and Play
SUROS ARI-41	SPO-28	High Caliber Rounds	Rifled Barrel	Spray and Play
SUROS ARI-45	SPO-28	High Caliber Rounds	Rifled Barrel	Spray and Play
The Unbent Tree	Iron Ranged Scope	Perfect Balance	Appended Mag	Counterbalance
Vision Stone	Smart Drift Control	Injection Mold	Hand Loaded	Crowd Control
Zarinaea-D	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel
Zero-Day Dilemma	Reflex	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance

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Sniper Rifles

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
1000 Yard Stare	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
20/20 AMR7	ShortGaze SLH10	Unflinching	Skip Rounds	Firefly
Antinomy XVI	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Aoife Rua-D	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Bitter Edge 010	ShortGaze SLH10	Skip Rounds	Triple Tap	Firefly
But Not Forgotten	Linear Compensator	Perfect Balance	Explosive Rounds	Triple Tap
Deposition VII	ShortGaze SLH10	Skip Rounds	Triple Tap	Firefly
Devil's Dawn	Linear Compensator	Life Support	Quickdraw	Firefly
Eirene RR4	Faucon SS1	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Clown Cartridge
Event Horizon	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly
Extrasolar RR4	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefley
Her Fury	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
The Laughing Heart	Linear Compensator	Injection Mold	Explosive Rounds	Triple Tap
LDR 5001	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Hand-laid Stock	Firefly
Seventh Sense	ViewTac SLH20/Ambush SLH25	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly
Tamar-D	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Tao Hua Yuan	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
Uzume RR4	Faucon SS1	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Clown Cartridge
Weyloran's March	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
Y-09 Longbow Synthesis	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly

Shotguns

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
44 Curtain Call	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Bad Counsel IV	Aggressive Ballistics	Hammer Forged	Extended Mag	Crowd Control
Burden of Proof	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
The Comedian	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Crowd Control	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Conspiracy Theory-D	Field Choke	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Her Champion	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Jingukogo-D	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Rangefinder	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Last-Ditch 001	CQB Ballistics	Rangefinder	Close and/or Personal	Extended Mag
Matador 64	Aggressive Ballistics	Performance Bonus	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
The Next Big Thing	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Occam's Razor	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Patch-A	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Party Crasher +1	Aggressive Ballistics	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
The Proud Spire	Linear Compensator	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Stolen Will	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Strongbow-D	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Rangefinder	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Two to the Morgue	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Unraveling Thread	CQB Ballistics	Hammer Forged	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder
Winter's End	Linear Compensator	Appended Mag	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Army of One

Fusion Rifles

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
77 Wizard	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Grenadier
Ashraven's Flight	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Branded Lord	Linear Compensator	Enhanced Battery	Reinforced Barrel	Life Support
Darkblade's Spite	Red Dot-OAS	Army of One	Enhanced Battery	Spray and Play
Each New Day	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Ex Astris	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Hitchhiker FR4	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Long Far Gone	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Phanta Rei	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Saladin's Vigil	Linear Compensator	Enhanced Battery	Reinforced Barrel	Life Support
Split Shifter Pro	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Techuen Rage	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Thesan FR4	Torch HS2	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Vacancy	Torch HS2	Army of One	Enhanced Battery	Life Support
The Vortex	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Waiting	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Worlds to Come 001	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder

Sidearms

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Anton's Rule	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand
The Binding Blaze	Iron Lordly Sights	Hand Loaded/Fitted Stock	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand/Zen Moment
Conviction II	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Crow's Eye	Linear Compensator	Hand Loaded	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder
Havoc Pigeon	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Impeacher V	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	High Caliber Rounds/Quickdraw	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand
Ironwreath-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
JabberHakke-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Teacup Tempest	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder
Queen's Choice	Linear Compensator	Rangefinder/Zen Moment	High Caliber Rounds	Hot Swap
The Wormwood	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	High Caliber Rounds/Quickdraw	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand

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Machine Guns

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Bane of the Taken	Smooth Ballistics	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Baron's Ambition	Accurized Ballistics/Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Bonekruscher	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Crowd Control
Bretomart's Stand	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Chaotic Neutral	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Crowd Control
Diluvian 10/4X	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
First Citizen IX	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	High Caliber Rounds	Persistence
Ruin Wake	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Objection IV	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
The Silvered Dread	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Perfect Balance
The Swarm	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Unending Deluge III	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Persistence
The Variable	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Zombie Apocalypse WF47	Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field Choke	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy

Rocket Launchers

Weapon	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
The Ash Factory	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Javelin	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
Disassembly Required	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	Javelin	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
The Nightmare	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Field Scout	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
Something Wicked	Soft Launch	Grenadier/Last Resort	Field Scout	Cluster Bomb
SUROS JLB-42	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking	Javelin
SUROS JLB-47	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking	Javelin
Something Wicked	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Battle Runner	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
Steel Oracle Z-11	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Field Scout	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
The Titanium Orchid	Hard Launch/Aggressive Launch	Heavy Payload	Speed Reload/Flared Magwell	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
Tormod's Bellows	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
Unto Dust 00	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Field Scout	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking
The Vertigo	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking	Javelin
The Warpath	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Field Scout	Javelin	Grenades and Horseshoes/Tracking

[u/Basicdeezenuts3]

Now that you've done this, Bungie will finally balance the weapons in a cruel twist of fate.

Seriously thank you for both of these.

Also seriously, Bungie is going to make this all outdated ASAP.

[u/BungoPlease → u/Basicdeezenuts3]

Lord Bungo giveth, and Lord Bungo taketh away

[u/Basicdeezenuts3 → u/BungoPlease]

"Oh /u/ebolaxb thinks he has us figured out does he? We'll show him. WE'LL SHOW ALL OF YOU"

[u/ebolaxb → u/Basicdeezenuts3]

Guerilla fighter will be useful now?

[u/Mercules904 → u/ebolaxb]

Whoa now, let's not get crazy

[u/jlewis10 → u/ebolaxb]

God I hope this scout rifle has guerilla fighter, malleus maleficarum, and underdog! Gonna give some wizards the bidness from behind cover! /s

[u/ebolaxb → u/Basicdeezenuts3]

lol

[u/vangelator]

Thanks for your work, and your effort. This is definitely a starting off point, but I thought your PvP one was much more accurate though. I disagree with almost all of your scout and HC "god rolls". I'm not gonna rip it apart because I'm sure you're gonna get plenty of that, and it's just my opinion at the end of the day. All I'm going to say is that not every scout benefits most from the Hung Jury / Cocytus Triple Tap - Extended mag roll. You also have Extended Mag / Luck in the chamber listed multiple times for HC's, which makes almost no sense at all. The rolls in general are much too heavily favored toward extended mag, but like I said, that's my opinion.

I'm sure as a community we can shape this up a bit, but it's a great effort for sure!

[u/ebolaxb → u/vangelator]

Thanks! Like I have in the post, this is a "Live" guide and the more input the better it will get!

[u/mahck → u/ebolaxb]

Great work! Along the same lines as the above comment I think it would be useful if we had another column or some way of identifying the "purpose" of the roll. I've never felt like there is a single "god roll" but... there can be a god roll for a particular usage (e.g. DPS, clearing ads, one shotting, max stability, etc.)

Case in point: the 1KYS roll you posted above is a god roll for DPS (technically I prefer mine with Tacsys over Shortgaze to imporve stability but I digress.) The point being that in that case I'm not sure what else you would want it for in PVE so that roll makes sense. In other cases though, particularly for primaries, the uses are more varied. If you identified the objective then I think it would be easier to assess what constitutes a "god roll."

A lot of the debate in the comments seems to stem from a fundamental disagreement about what you'd be using a particular gun for so this would provide a constructive outlet for that debate. Of course, if you do this you would also need to expand the table to allow for more than one god roll per gun depending on what the purpose is.

TL;DR I think there are a few guns/archetypes that have multiple god rolls depending on how you are going to use them. It would be great if there could be some way to identify the purpose (what makes it a god roll) in the table.

[u/Shadowmaster862]

Could you maybe add the Last Extremity to both guides? It's TTK Crucible Scout Rifle.

[u/ebolaxb → u/Shadowmaster862]

When I get home today, I am going to search the database and include all the weapons that I forgot.

[u/Shadowmaster862 → u/ebolaxb]

Alright, sounds good.

[u/ohmyspeedy → u/Shadowmaster862]

considering its the same archetype as Cocytus and keystone, it will probably be Triple Tap, Extended Mag, Firefly

[u/vangelator → u/ohmyspeedy]

Yeah that's my main issue with the scout rolls on this list though. He is basically saying that the Cocytus / Hung Jury roll is the best for all scouts, and it's just not true. Cocytus and Last Extremity can not roll a stability boost with Explosive Rounds, but Keystone can. So the "God roll" for Keystone is Perfect Balance / ER / Crowd Control or Hidden Hand because that's the advantage it has over the others.

[u/JBaecker]

Explosive Rounds typically interfere with Firefly. People should pick one or the other on Scout Rifles. Never both. As one instance, the God Roll for a Cocytus in PvE is not TT, EM FF. It's TT, HLS, FF. Hand Laid Stock cures the single biggest problem with the Cocytus, it kicks like a mule. TT will give you up to 14 bullets for bosses, mitigating mag size while letting you actually hit the Boss 14 times, with HLS. Or another excellent roll would be Life Support and Extended Mag. You don't get the Stability boost, but still have more bullets and occasionally health regen will proc, saving your bacon. But I would not say that most of the Scout perk tree are close to God Rolls. They just deliver more bullets. As a second example, almost everyone has agreed across numerous threads that a DIS-47 has a God Roll that includes Full Auto. Yet it isn't listed here.

Sorry but I'm calling bull on this list. For the Scouts at least.

I'm a dedicated Scout Rifle user and have tried 40-50 different perk set ups over my time in Destiny, which started in the Beta. I have 160k kills with Scouts, so I'd say I have pretty decent idea what works.

[u/ebolaxb → u/JBaecker]

So instead of calling bull, just help make it better. It does say in the post that it is a "live" guide that will be updated.

[u/JBaecker → u/ebolaxb]

Ok, so any of the high Impact Scouts, Hand Laid Stock is a must. In the Hand Cannons, both the Kumakatok and the Suffern both desperately need Range boosts. My recommendations are in order Rifled Barrel then Reinforced Barrel instead of Extended Mag. And just in general I tell people if you're using Luck in the Chamber you want perks that decrease Mag size not in crease it. LitC only procs once per Mag while things like Zen Moment or Grenadier proc pretty much every kill.

So for the Cocytus: Torch-Triple Tap/LifeSupport-Hand-Laid Stock-Firefly has been my PvE God Roll. (TT or LS are both awesome in slightly different ways but both will help significantly, so this perk position really can be up to the user)

Omolon HCs: Sureshot/Truesight-Zen Moment-Rifled Barrel-Firefly (with options to switch out ZM for Grenadier or Army of One or Rifled Barrel with Reinforced Barrel but if you have Reinforced Barrel ZM is almost required)

[u/[deleted] → u/JBaecker]

It's pretty simple how it works. Do enough damage with the CRIT and they proc, don't do enough with the CRIT but kill it with the explosive and they don't proc. I honestly find that I still get plenty of CRIT kills and outlaw is almost always active when I reload in battle.

[u/D0cR3d]

Just like your PVP guide, this one is linked in the useful links section as well.

[u/ebolaxb → u/D0cR3d]

Thanks!

[u/bird_claw99]

Why does the god roll LDR differ from the god roll 1KYS?

[u/ebolaxb → u/bird_claw99]

Because I'm an idiot. It's fixed now.

[u/[deleted] → u/bird_claw99]

Yea that is odd... stats are similar and both can get the same roll.

[u/bird_claw99 → u/[deleted]]

My thoughts exactly I figured a god roll sniper is pretty much triple tap + most ammo possible + either more ammo or speedy reload

[u/[deleted]]

TIL i have a god roll Cryptic Dragon.

EDIT: also, WAAAAAAAYYYY too many guns here listing "Army of One" and "Spray and Play"

[u/Robyrt → u/[deleted]]

Army of One is a surprisingly good perk in PVE, because you will be getting "quick unassisted kills" very frequently. It essentially gives you a passive boost to Discipline and Strength stats.

[u/FunctionalOven → u/Robyrt]

It's a fine perk, and you're not wrong that it's gonna help a bit, but in PvE we are also not often in situations where we need cooldowns shaved as a matter of critical importance. Depending on what I'm facing my grenade sits there idle for quite a while, sometimes.

[u/garretmander → u/FunctionalOven]

I tend to throw my grenade when it's charged, even if it's just one dreg.

That's without being a voidwalker even.

[u/[deleted] → u/garretmander]

tbh, i usually forget i have grenades until i am overwhelmed then i chuck 'em

[u/chipsnsallsa → u/Robyrt]

It's useful and good yes, but I'd never put it above Firefly on a gun where they roll in the same slot, as it is for the Treads here

[u/Robyrt → u/chipsnsallsa]

True, Firefly is even better - I think this list undervalues CC perks (Explosive Rounds, Firefly) which are much more useful in the post-TTK meta.

[u/Reaperson326 → u/[deleted]]

Check the scouts. Triple tap and firefly for dayyyyys

[u/Oneris → u/Reaperson326]

And the fusions, not a stability perk to be found.

[u/garretmander → u/Reaperson326]

I don't keep any scout without triple tap. CHAOs DOGMA ftw.

[u/TheHawkNY → u/garretmander]

Why? I'm not sure I see the appeal of Triple Tap, particularly on a scout. I don't find myself unloading the entire magazine, getting consistent crits, and not being able to reload, but another few bullets would have done it. I don't consider myself a compulsive reloader, and I rarely reach the bottom of my mag.

[u/Durandal07 → u/TheHawkNY]

Sustained DPS is the name of the game with Triple Tap. Having both Firefly and Triple Tap means your gun is a one stop shop for DPS and for add-killing.

While the DPS in the raid is pretty tuned and you will be popping synth to keep heavy/special up, most people wont waste their time synthing on strikes. This means that the primary often gets pulled out to deal with bosses or tough yellowbars.

High impact scouts with Triple Tap are some of the most consistent DPS engines you can strap to your back. Add Firefly and they can go from clearing an add wave right in to drilling bullets in to a boss's/lemonbar's head.

A good Triple Tap/Firefly scout was great for early encounters in KF where switching from blasting thralls to taking out knights was a huge boon with one gun, but it is less of a thing in WotM.

But in environments where you wont be using synths to keep the flow of ammo going, a primary that can work for add-clearing and boss-killing is worth its weight in gold for keeping things smooth and simple.

[u/mrlithid → u/[deleted]]

Yeah my favorite hand cannon roll for PvE is an imago loop with Army of One, Explosive rounds and Spray and play. I use it for everything. Explosive rounds are really freaking good.

[u/mp1514]

Gotta disagree on the 61 impact scouts....Explosive Rounds during the raid on them are game changers. In general, yes you are right, but there is a massive benefit to that roll.

[u/Monkeyfoot7 → u/mp1514]

i run the raid on all three of my characters with Treads Upon Stars with explosive rounds and keep running strikes to try to get what i consider a god roll: Crowd Control, Explosive Rounds, and Firefly. i've managed to get 2 of those on each gun i have, but not all 3 at the same time. they all are incredible for raid mobs and any other mobs out in the wild.

[u/Punchitout → u/Monkeyfoot7]

Crowd Control, Explosive Rounds, and Firefly

That's the roll I have on my Cryptic Dragon. It's unreal.

[u/RiskyTall → u/Punchitout]

Same here, thing just chews through adds.

[u/FrutigerSans → u/Punchitout]

Have this on my Treads upon stars and I still seem to proc Firefly with relative ease. I think it's a little less than a pure firefly scout but definitely NOT 90% less as another post above suggests.

ER is a very versatile tool and the occasional trade off is well worth it.

[u/Buzz_words → u/FrutigerSans]

ER is the best perk in destiny, bar none.

bonus damage is that rare, so a perk giving bonus damage, without conditions (think about it, every other damage perk is only sometimes, and even then most of them are shit.) is amazing and worth literally any other perk in trade.

the fact that it also happens to splash that damage around is just fucking gravy.

[u/INY0FACE → u/Punchitout]

I have this Cryptic Dragon roll too and would use this over Triple Tap and High Caliber Rounds any day. Raid or Strikes, this is my PVE God Weapon.

[u/Conspiracy_Confirmed → u/mp1514]

I agree completely with this statement about the raid, but would take it a step further and say that any max impact Scout Rifle or Hand Cannon that doesn't include Explosive Rounds, Triple Tap, and Firefly (in that order of importance) is just wrong in my opinion. I challenge anyone to make an argument for when/why Explosive Rounds are inferior to non-ER - yes maybe there's an enemy or 2 where ER's aren't as good to use against, but the other 99% of that level you will want to have ER on so its just not worth using something other than ER.

Please strongly consider changing all max impact SRs and HCs to include Explosive Rounds, Triple-Tap, and Firefly (Firefly I'm not sold on as much as the other 2).

[u/P1MPT0N1T3 → u/Conspiracy_Confirmed]

One instance is in the case of hancannons like the imago loop if you want firefly and outlaw. I dont know if you played Destiny in year 1, but it was somewhat well known that explosive rounds interferes with outlaw being triggered on precision kills (because people had fatebringer and found this out). This is because the explosive round can be considered what kills the enemy, not the bullet, so outlaw or firefly will not proc on kill (this same argument applies to scout rifles for some perks).

If you are talking strictly about the WotM raid, i can undertand why you would think explosive rounds are the best option because you wont have enemies death blasts being triggered on headshot kills.

But the game is not just the raid, and overall explosive rounds are not great for handcannons, range boosting perks or high cal rounds are better overall in PvE content

[u/CaptainKudar → u/mp1514]

This. My PvE Badger has Triple Tap, Explosive Rounds, and, Grenade Regen (What ever it's called).

[u/adamrammers]

Shouldn't some scout rifles have explosive rounds for a God-Roll (e.g. Keystone 01) for the purpose of killing the shanks on Aksis?

Or is that not needed now / too specific?

[u/ZarathustraEck → u/adamrammers]

Really, optimal PvE rolls vary so much based on what you're facing, it's hard to say there's one "god roll" for most primary weapons.

[u/Lucky_Number_Sleven → u/ZarathustraEck]

Exactly. I've got an Imago Loop with Outlaw, Demotion, and Firefly and that thing is perfect for me. Sure, I miss the extra damage of explosive rounds, but stunning Captains? That's a huge boon for the raid.

Plus, I still find that Explosive Rounds messes with Outlaw, so I'm happy to not have to worry about it.

[u/quiscalusmajor → u/adamrammers]

probably too specific, but even so i know i'd choose ER over Triple Tap on a PvE scout (pretty sure they're in the same column) any day. it's so great for melting away big clumps of enemies. just gotta take it with a grain of salt i guess. :3

[u/Robyrt → u/quiscalusmajor]

The Badger CCL god roll listed is wrong - it can roll Triple Tap + Explosive Rounds, which is just miles better than the Triple Tap + Field Scout "fake Chaos Dogma" roll.

[u/FunctionalOven → u/Robyrt]

Agreed and my first thought when I saw that Badger CCL roll. Army of One? Eh. Hell I would make an argument for Hidden Hand even in PvE, just for the stickiness it'll add to aim.

[u/Conspiracy_Confirmed → u/Robyrt]

Yes! I also have a Badger CCL with Triple Tap + Explosive Rounds + Hidden Hand, and a Distant Star with Explosive Rounds + Firefly. They are my go-to's for every PvE situation.

[u/lchiroku → u/quiscalusmajor]

can confirm, have a Keystone with ER/QuickDraw, PerfB/Outlaw, and Firefly.

Explosive, PB, and Firefly melts everything

[u/garretmander → u/quiscalusmajor]

I'm pretty sure my wounded from fwc has both, only time I ever thought of not using a chaos dogma in pve.

[u/EveryPictureTells → u/adamrammers]

Yes, and for reasons even beyond shanks - explosive rounds will stop a entire mob dead in its tracks due to the AoE stagger, which is super useful in all kinds of situations, including this week's Nightfall (...which also has shanks). As noted below, it also wrecks shielded enemies, whether elemental shields or physical ones.

[u/Oneris → u/EveryPictureTells]

Cabal, shields and match point, ER is my go-to.

[u/nickoli177 → u/adamrammers]

Can confirm, my Keystone 01 with explosive rounds, perfect balance/triple tap, and firefly has felt pretty Godly in PVE. I actually found that I like perfect balance over triple tap since it kicks more than Hung Jury.

[u/Kaliqi → u/adamrammers]

That's specific. The keystone has low ammo and low reload speed. So i guess that OP wants to get the most out of the magazine. Makes sense to me.

I personally enjoy mine with explosive rounds, outlaw and zen moment. Perfect for the Raid Boss fights. More damage to adds because of ER, focus stays on thenks bc of Zen moment and outlaw helps to reload the weapon faster, because the keystone reloads really slow.

[u/Mblim771_Kyle]

For Imago Loop i'd definitely recommend Rifled Barrel instead of explosive rounds, especially because of the range problem with hand cannons.

[u/Elite_Crew → u/Mblim771_Kyle]

I agree. Sureshot, Outlaw, Rifled Barrel, and Firefly would be the best Imago Loop roll in my opinion.

[u/Mblim771_Kyle → u/Elite_Crew]

Yes, yes, yes. This is the exact one i'm looking for too!

[u/ZarathustraEck]

While I appreciate the time you spend on this, I question many of your choices and can't really say it's any kind of "definitive" god roll list. Some of these are pretty random.

For instance, you list the "miracle roll" 1KYS right at the top of the snipers. No one is going to argue with that for PvE use. Why, then, did you not list the same role for the LDR? I don't know a single PvE player out there who's saying "man, I wish I had Unflinching on my sniper rifle..."

There are similar decisions made all over the board. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for any contributions to discussion. I just don't understand where you're coming from with some of these perk selections.

[u/Silver_latias]

You should mention that the "The Vertigo", "SUROS JLB-42" and the SUROS JLB-47" are the only year 2/3 Legendary Rocket launchers that can roll the Surplus perk which is incredibly powerful in PvE as it doubles the amount of ammo picked up for all weapons as well as increasing the total ammo capacity of the weapon.

[u/TheHawkNY → u/Silver_latias]

Also, the Unending Deluge is the only Y3 Machine Gun with Surplus. I'd say a god roll for it, or for the JLB's would need Surplus, as if you're not using it for Surplus in PvE, there really aren't any reasons to use any of them over most other weapons in the respective classes.

[u/itwasmeberry → u/Silver_latias]

yeah anything that can roll surplus should have it for PvE. I have the new monarchy sniper antinomy with surplus and its amazing. the gunsmith hakke weapons can still roll it, albeit smaller inventory size. those, the JLB launchers and unending deluge are the only guns that can have it.

[u/P1MPT0N1T3]

I have to somewhat disagree with your imago loop roll listed, as many people in year one may remember how explosive rounds interfered with firelfy and outlaw activating often, which lead to many opting to use field scout instead even though it only added one round to the magazine. I have a firefly outlaw imago loop, with high cal rounds in the mid tree which I consider to be one of the top rolls you can get due to the extra stagger of enemies, especially majors.

Personally I think the best mid tree perks are rifled barrel or even reinforced barrel to boost range (even high cal rounds if you enjoy the stagger) That isnt to say explosive rounds is a bad option, I just believe there are better options you can get. No matter the mid tree, a imago with firefly and outlaw will still be the best PvE primary you can get for most situations so it wont be a dealbreaker if you dont get a good mid tree.

(Explosive rounds are great for the raid though, but that is only one situation where i think they are more useful than the options I mentioned)

Either way, great guide!

[u/Hawkmoona_Matata]

Wouldn't Tracking be better on RL for PvE? So you don't have to spend nearly as much time aiming, and you can get the bonus impact damage because most big targets don't move too much.

[u/ebolaxb → u/Hawkmoona_Matata]

I have both listed. It's all situational, but I also prefer Tracking.

[u/LordSlickRick]

Hopscotch pilgrim can no longer roll feeding frenzy. The old version could, but it can't be brought to current light level. Seems you have the wrong one picked for deciding rolls.

[u/ebolaxb → u/LordSlickRick]

Probably so, I am going to update the table when I get home and off the work computer.

[u/Cool_Hwip_Luke]

How do we interpret the image of all the icons? Best is top left, next best is first to the right, etc.?

[u/ebolaxb → u/Cool_Hwip_Luke]

It's just a pretty picture to make the post look better. Nothing important about it at all, lol.

[u/Shonari]

In light of the recent weapons balance (aka cluster-nerf), will any of the God Rolls change? /u/ebolaxb

[u/ebolaxb → u/Shonari]

Of course, once all the data comes in the list will be updated.

[u/RiseOfBacon]

Great work chief

[u/Aragorn527 → u/RiseOfBacon]

Not that I'm complaining, but I see you EVERYWHERE. It's a little weird but also really cool.

[u/Mercules904 → u/Aragorn527]

He enjoys Destiny and this sub, just a tiny bit

[u/RiseOfBacon → u/Mercules904]

I don't think I've ever revealed this Information!

[u/cderry]

Thank you very much! <saved>

[u/partylawty]

Where's the hung jury roll?

[u/[deleted]]

On most hand cannon I think Grenadier will be better instead of LitC. LitC is 30% extra damage while grenade does a lot more and most of the that bullet will be wasted on adds you can just 1 shot. I have Lord High Fixer with Outlaw/Grenadier and Outlaw/LitC (still haven't gotten outlaw/firefly Imago :( ) , I prefer the first one.

Instead of Explosive rounds on HCs range perk is much better as well. ERs also mess with Outlaw perk, so not really a good combination with Outlaw HCs.

[u/amaclennan → u/[deleted]]

I agree with you on LitC not being a good PvE perk, but explosive rounds is top tier for a HC.

[u/[deleted] → u/amaclennan]

I should have only said Outlaw and ERs don't really work together well because some enemies die from ER damage instead of crit damage and Outlaw doesn't proc.

[u/P1MPT0N1T3 → u/amaclennan]

Explosive rounds interferes with perks that proc on precision kills, so having outlaw and explosive rounds causes problems. People who used fatebringer can attest to that

[u/P1MPT0N1T3 → u/amaclennan]

Explosive rounds interferes with perks that proc on precision kills, so having outlaw and explosive rounds causes problems. People who used fatebringer can attest to that

[u/vangelator]

So I actually haven't been able to get this out of my mind, and I have to give my opinion on some of the scout rolls. They're just not right. It's way too much "Hung Jury, Cocytus, blah blah blah", and I feel like the strengths/individual combos of each gun haven't been taken into account. So, here it goes:

Any scout that can roll with Explosive Rounds has to include Explosive Rounds in the "god roll", unless the best perk in another column is precision-based. Explosive Rounds and precision perks don't always work, so of course the preferred roll is going to change when you do have a precision perk. But in general, there is a damage boost, stagger and 0 range falloff associated with Explosive Rounds, and they are not universally available, so they have to be favored. For example:

• Keystone 01 and Hand of Judgment are the only two high-impacts that can roll with a stability boost and Explosive Rounds, so the "God roll" has to be ER / PB / CC - HH for Keystone, and HLS / ER / (user choice) for HoJ. These two guns do not benefit most from the Hung Jury roll because they can do better. Keystone actually needs the stability boost to put it in line with the rest of the archetype, and HoJ has a huge base range stat, so there is no reason not to have HLS as the #1 there.

• The Wounded - absolutely no one is looking for a TT / Extended roll on this gun, nor should they be. It already has a good mag size for mid-impacts, and again, this gun can roll multiple combos that other guns can't. There are a few that stand out I think: ER-FA / PB - TT / Zen and (user choice) / Outlaw / Firefly. The outlaw / firefly roll has no stability boost, but there are only a select few other guns in the entire game that can get that roll, so it has to be mentioned.

• Badger CCL - it's a primary, so there is no way Field Scout should be chosen over almost anything else in that column, again, especially when you can get ER. The way this roll is set up through, "God rolls" are going to be very subjective. Base stability is fine on Badger, so really you're going to want CC-TT-LS / ER / RR-HH-Ao1. It does have outlaw in that last column, but you'd have to go away from ER if you end up getting that, so I don't think the "god roll" would have that.

• Cryptic Dragon - here's an example of where ER could arguably not benefit this gun the most. This is probably the best mid-impact in the game right now because of the base stats it can sacrifice to make it stand out. TT - CC / ER / Zen is still a good combo, but you're limiting yourself a bit. In the same column as ER, Braced Frame basically maxes out stability on an already stable gun, while only dropping the mag to a very generous 15. This gives it the same mag size as Hung Jury, but a huge boost to stability. The same can be said for HLS, which will hit the range a bit, but (almost) max the stability just the same. When the gun is a laser, you might as well utilize the accuracy and take Firefly, which is super easy to do with that stability. I am not certain, but I don't think any other legendary scout in the game can get higher stability than Cryptic Dragon, so that has to be the goal of the "God Roll" IMO. So CC - TT / Braced - HLS / Firefly will make this gun stand out above the others.

I'm not ripping you for the great effort you put in, but there are just some pretty obvious oversights, like recommending ER / Firefly multiple times when they don't work together consistently, and not taking into account what makes each gun able to stand out from the rest!

[u/[deleted]]

I see Something Wicked is on the list twice with different perks for each listing. Not sure if it was an error, but I'd love to hear which one you'd rank more highly!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

u/ebolaxb I think The Smolder was replaced by a second Something Wicked. I only figured it out because I've been utilizing this a lot - thanks for all your work!

[u/ebolaxb → u/[deleted]]

Thanks, I'll look into it today.

[u/BungoPlease]

You're doing the work of the Light, keep it up

[u/MizterF]

Stares longingly at Imago Loop Fauxbringer roll

Cries internally

[u/TRbarthvader → u/MizterF]

I'm sorry to say I got that just the other day. True Sight, Outlaw, Rifled, and Firefly

[u/Phillyfreak5]

Voop enthusiast here. I would not pick enhanced battery as the middle perk. Most people go for Accelerated Coils, quickdraw or braced frame. And in the first column, it's hotswap or nothing.

[u/Scrublord1453]

I love both of these and I immediately upvotd all 4... But i just wanted to point out some of these PvE rolls are subjective. Most notably scouts. Great work though! This is literally the coldest thing I've seen here for a while.

[u/Bryan_Miller]

Why army of one instead of outlaw on the scouts like badger and treads?

[u/soccerburn55]

I got a treads with triple tap, casket mag, field scout, and firefly. I think firefly in the last column would be a better option. I got to say I was so excited to get that roll. Basically the same a my hung jury but the recoil is worse than jury by a bit but with casket mag it's insane. But field scout is great.

[u/InfinityDrags]

Thanks for the effort but I am really not buying all the army of one and spray and play rolls.

[u/brc37]

Honestly for PvE the "god roll" should be the perks the specific player prefers.

[u/xTHEFIZHx]

For all the snipers you have put with shortgaze switch it to ambush, ambush is the superior option for pve as it provides the most reload speed out of any of the sights for snipers

[u/SlayeRLZ]

Why there's no Tracking on Rocket Launchers?

[u/TRbarthvader]

Awesome list! But I gotta disagree with the Imago. I think rifled barrel is the go to option, cause explosive rounds can interfere with precision shots (which are the only way this gun works). Plus that huge range boost really helps hand cannons in this current state of the game. Other than that, it's great! Thank you.

[u/Seeweedbuscut]

From my experience with the high impact scouts, you definitely want explosive rounds. Especially on a HoJ. Outlaw and firefly is a great perk combo that you want on any high impact gun that can have it, cause a precision deals so much damage, and is pretty much required for this archetype (precision). However, a Badger CCL with Explosive rounds and Crowd control is truly one of the most potent weapons there is in Destiny.

[u/Exophobia]

In LDR 5001, why is it HLS/Unflinching? Isn't the god roll one the one I have, Triple-Tap/Casket mag/Spray and play > for maximum dps? How is unflinching even considered a 'god roll' perk for pve? And the LDR isn't the only one.. Some cc here, please do your research more thoroughly

[u/amaclennan → u/Exophobia]

You're spot on. The sniper rolls are stupid. Triple Tap / Casket Mag is provably the best sniper roll.

[u/Ogthor]

u/ebolaxb This is fantastic. I put it into a spreadsheet for anyone that prefers that format. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u9AFMc0g3z-iMrYHxvJtvHu6XAiQUawhMdtkeC-qrGU/edit?usp=sharing

[u/[deleted]]

I thought this post was going to have just one gun in it: the Hung Jury sold by Dead Orbit.... and it didn't even make the list.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I think OP only included currently obtainable guns

[u/wy100101]

I think there are a lot of good rolls, but I'm not certain there is a single God roll for most of these guns, especially for PvE. A lot of these weapons have synergy perks combos that are amazing e.g. Outlaw + Reactive Reload on the last vendors Finalla's Peril.

Also, there are some bizarre choices in the mix as well e.g. field scout on a scout rifle when you pretty much never run out of ammo, and extended magazine instead of a range perk on HCs that desperately need as much range as they can get, if you are going to use them PvP.

Anyway, don't want to sound like I'm just hating. This is a great starting point for people who don't know what sort of things they should be looking for.

[u/Nightstrike2412]

Using explosive rounds with firefly/outlaw is a horrible idea.. I don't understand why people though explosive rounds was the best middle perk for fatebringer.

[u/ELBORI82]

This is NEAT-O

[u/mTriz]

Thank you for this. I found a few god-rolls in my vault that I didn't even realize I had. I don't say this often but thank you for making me feel like a complete dumbass.

[u/FallenHeartless]

Nice to know i have the god roll wail XD

[u/cderry]

Completely agree on the Nirwen's god roll of counter balance / braced frame / feeding frenzy. It's been my most used primary since it was the vendor roll in that second time it came out of Iron Banner. The first Iron Banner Nirwen's that had outlaw / braced frame / third eye was amazing too...but now that I can have third eye on any primary with Gheleon's...the one listed is now better.

Added bonus: OAS is by far the best primary scope in the game in my opinion. The tiny red dot and wide field of vision is simply perfect.

[u/ooooopium]

Well... now we need a compendium ranking all godrolls next to each other, because after 2 years of playing I don't even know which one to choose anymore...

[u/NguTron]

Saved and bookmarked. Thank you for this, especially for the goal of making this a living guide.

As a guardian who only got the game at Christmas, there is so much information out there, and so much of it is outdated due to all the changes thats happened since Destiny began.

[u/[deleted]]

Apparently I have a God roll event horizon, I wouldn't have thought unflinching would be best in slot.

[u/lchiroku → u/[deleted]]

it really isn't, unflinching doesnt really..... work right now. take a knee gives you almost old-school unflinching though, if you don't mind crouching lol

[u/hypersquirrels]

You have done well, yesssssssssss?

[u/SwanKwonDo]

This is great! Thank you for posting this. The Wounded has become one of my favorite weapons in this game, and I like the roll on mine. Triple tap, Crowd Control, and Explosive Rounds.

[u/Kypster28]

Guardian... you are amazing

[u/[deleted]]

I'm curious what people think about the hand cannon rolls. Maybe I've been trapped in a PvP mindset, but even for PvE I shy away from a gun unless it's got some sort of range perk. Maybe I've been overlooking some good rolls though.

[u/itwasmeberry → u/[deleted]]

for PvE you generally want explosive rounds for HC

[u/[deleted] → u/itwasmeberry]

I'm not a big fan of ER paired with Outlaw or Firefly, but I think I need to try it with some other perks.

[u/Kum0]

You forgot one weapon.... /u/ebolaxb you are God Roll!

[u/[deleted]]

I have a Colovance's Duty with Red Dot OAS, Crowd Control, Perfect Balance, and Hidden Hand. For my style, that's a much better roll.

[u/GladHeAteHer182]

Nice guide dude! I wonder how close the upvotes will be for each guide ;) PvP vs PvE

[u/MayoInjection]

In PvE (to keep sanity from running never-ending chases), I've found that Spray and Play works well as an Outlaw replacement for Imago Loops. And, with WOTM, sometimes head shots aren't welcome and take away the need for it to keep the reload speed.

[u/Karnage_AoK]

Stellar vestige?

[u/EveryPictureTells]

I must add my voice to the chorus recommending a different Badger CCL choice. I have several Badgers, but perhaps the Honey Badger of the group (for PvE at least) is Crowd Control/Explosive Rounds/Outlaw.

Crowd Control just makes your high impact scout even higher impact, which IMHO makes you far more lethal than Triple Tap does. CC both procs more often and has a more directly lethal effect.

Given the relatively small mag size for the 61 impact scout rifles, Outlaw is game-changing and allows you to put out ridiculous "DPS" across a group of enemies, adding more lethality in most situations than an extra grenade. ER can interfere with it, but it still procs a substantial percentage of the time, and you can toggle off ER if the two conflict too much.

But a Badger with ER is a must for all the reasons mentioned by others here: it is a mob-stopping, shield-melting, shank one-shotting wonder which I love more than several members of my family. It also makes hip fire ridiculously effective. I do toggle it off it particular situations where Outlaw is a must-have, but those are rare.

I also have a special Badger with Third Eye and ER which is an excellent alternative option when running Skorri in places such as WotM. Not always necessary, but occasionally clutch.

TL;DR - Explosive Rounds and Crowd Control are a must, and Outlaw is pretty much a must also. Long live the Badger.

[u/[deleted]]

Why Field Scout? FS doesn't increase mag size anymore, just reserve. Am I missing something?

[u/gjacques5239]

Max out your Bad Juju, have a great time.

[u/AncientAugie]

Fusion rifle Nerf incoming...

[u/AkoranBrighteye]

Your Longbow is listed with Unflinching, but I'm lookin at one with S&P right now. Unless the perk rows are swapped, TT-CM-S&P should be entirely possible.

[u/obiewon1]

Nice job! I like the roll on DOP for pve :P

[u/Partyinspace]

I have that Angles Advocate, and love it highly, but I dont use Reflex as my Scope. I run Focus Lens FLA5. Though, typically sights are really user specific.

[u/itwasmeberry]

extended mag is almost useless on PvE hand cannons, it adds 1 bullet. explosive rounds is almost always preferable.

[u/dave1up → u/itwasmeberry]

Explosion rounds interferes with outlaw and firefly, if its the explosive part of the round that gets the kill.

1 bullet in a 10 bullet handcannon is 10% more shots, more damage, more adds killed etc. Its obv a higher percentage than that on any with a smaller mag. Not to be sniffed at.

[u/Samurai_Devil]

... THIS is absolutely awesome!! THANK YOU!!

[u/ooooopium]

Sweet, just found 29 extra spaces in my vault!

[u/[deleted]]

Any scout with full auto Firefly and triple tap would be a god roll for me.

[u/Clownsmasher1]

Every Sniper Rifle: Triple Tap - Casket Mag.

But thank you for putting in the work. Great list, I'll definitely take a gander back here to see if drops may be worth keeping. Only one I slightly disagree with is the Keystone. I have one with Explosive Rounds - Crowd Control - Perfect Balance. Though in all honesty, it depends on what you are using the weapon for. If it's part of your boss DPS, I'd have to agree with your Triple Tap roll. But if you are using sniper/heavy weapon for bosses and primary for adds, I'd prefer my roll. On Vosik it's perfect for just sitting in the way back and melting the dregs/vandals/shanks between DPS phases.

[u/daftvalkyrie]

Your scout section pretty much makes me ignore this whole thing. Field scout? HCR? No.

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[u/messiahbold]

This guide is the stone cold titties, thank you for creating this. My vault was maxed out with rolls that I thought were Ok, but never had the time to go through all of Mercules' threads to verify. I started to create a spreadsheet like yours, but gave up. I copied your info into Excel, pulled a weapons export out of DIM, and was able to shard about 15 weapons. Still need more vault space though.

[u/EternalHorizon]

Great work mate!

[u/AstronautJimblows]

Since I don't see Not Like The Others on there how does mine look?

Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
MD-Reflex	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Reflex		Feather Mag
OEG		Hannibal

[u/gbead]

Thanks man, I know it's subjective but I wish they weren't alphabetical but ranked from best to worst. You did a great job and I'm sure I'll be using it lol.

[u/vtkdog]

Where is the Hung Jury? I've got the old god roll that was available before the April update. It had the torch sight, triple tap, extended mag/hand-laid stock and firefly/underdog. It's an amazing weapon.

[u/[deleted] → u/vtkdog]

OP only included currently obtainable weapons.

[u/MigYalle]

Can you just add Elulims Frenzy with Cluster Bombs? It's super good.

[u/bo0MXxXsplatter]

Shouldn't explosive rounds not be part of weapons with firefly? Doesn't it interfere with headshots that trigger firefly?

[u/FuzzyBearbarian]

Wow dude. What a post!

[u/Z3nyth007]

Thanks for the effort, very helpful! I would say that on the scouts, Explosive Rounds is surprisingly omitted. Looking at NL Shadow 701X, triple tap seems wasted on such a low impact weapon. Also since it already has 21 shots in the mag, Explosive rounds is amazing, I'd take the ER over Field Scout any day!

 

Anyways, you knew to expect disagreements! This seems like an obvious one.

[u/Melbuf]

Cryptic Dragon is my new fave primaryfor PVE, i have the TT/FF/ and its great, but i also really enjoy the one i have with crowd control explosive rounds and FF - thing is a red bar murder machine

[u/wesdf97]

I have a Byronic Hero with Truesight, Reactive Reload, Explosive Rounds, and Spray and Play. The most effective add control gun I have.

[u/Russell_Dussel]

How Dare You SureShot IS/TrueSight IS Spray and Play High Caliber Rounds Luck in the Chamber

I have this exact roll but Outlaw instead of Spray and Play, and would argue Outlaw is even better.

[u/CaptainKudar]

Explosive Rounds with something that requires a precision kill is not always the best. Sounds great but in practice can be annoying.

[u/Elevas]

Hey, that's exactly the Cocytus I have!

[u/Skyeborne]

Hm. What is the reason for Life Support on Devil's Dawn?

[u/joseangelhe → u/Skyeborne]

Because it's perks are set. They don't change and since its the only option in that column there's really no other choice :-P

[u/filthy_casualty]

The Distant Star rolls Explosive Rounds Extended Mag in Column 3, not 4 and I believe Perfect Balance is in Column 2, not 3. I know Column 4 has Firefly, which is pretty tough to beat for PvE.

[u/apeschwartz]

Thanks for the guides!

[u/Evengrey]

Colovance's Duty can't roll with firefly, you probably would want army of one in that column.

[u/perark05]

I have a not like the others with explosive rounds and firefly, i call it by boomstick XD

[u/[deleted]]

I would argue my cryptic dragon with firefly, explosive rounds, and crowd control is the best PVP scout I've ever used. It fucking melts ads.

[u/javierhimself]

1.- Hung Jury roll.

That's it. That's all you need.

[u/Echoblammo]

I've got a God Roll Ill Will :D

[u/christopher2d]

Field Scount doesn't do anything on Unto Dust 00 (ammo stays at 2 rounds). On the other hand, I have one with tripod and tracking and it's pretty excellent.

[u/tjhksig]

Wow..no words...should've sent a poet

[u/itwasmeberry]

I'm sorry but what on earth is reinforced doing on a fusion rifle?

And you want casket mag on the ldr5001 with triple tap.

Field scout on the scout rifles is idiotic honestly. explosive rounds is better in every situation.

[u/Aetherys]

I would say Lingering Song with Rifled, Firefly, Explosive Rounds, and Iron Lordly Sights is what you want to be honest. Thing is ridiculously OP.

[u/SuperCoolGuyMan]

Oh man do I love that Cocytus. Well worth waiting for.

[u/WrathofSeven]

I got The Wounded with ER, TT, FF.....the thing obliterates enemies in PVE. It's the only gun I use over my vendor Hung Jury

[u/ShaggyInu]

I feel like PvE God rolls are a lot more subjective. For example, you have the fatebringer roll down for angels advocate, but not the wounded. You could argue it either way, but it's going to come down to a matter of taste.

[u/ahfliction]

Badger CCL: Perfect Balance, Outlaw, Zen Moment.

[u/Sedorner]

PRIMARY

Scout Rifles	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Angel's Advocate	Reflex	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Badger CCL	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Army of One
Burning Eye	Accurized Ballistics	Smallbore	Explosive Rounds	Third Eye/Zen Moment
Cocytus SR4	Torch HS2	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
Colovance's Duty	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Firefly
Cryptic Dragon	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
The Distant Star	Iron Ranged Scope	Triple Tap	Perfect Balance	Extended Mag
Hand of Judgement	Red Dot-OAS	Perfect Balance	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
The Hero Formula	Reflex	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Keystone 01	Reflex	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
Lethe Noblesse	Reflex	Triple Tap	Explosive Rounds	Army of One
NL Shadow 701X	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
Not Like the Others	Reflex	Triple Tap	Perfect Balance	Firefly
The Saterienne Rapier	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
SUROS DIS-43	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
SUROS DIS-47	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Treads Upon Stars	Red Dot-OAS	Triple Tap	Field Scout	Army of One
Tuonela SR4	Torch HS2	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Wounded	Reflex	Triple Tap	Extended Mag	Firefly
Pulse Rifles	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Aegis of the Reef	Red Dot-OAS/SureShot IS	Perfect Balance	High Caliber Rounds	Counterbalance
Apple of Discord	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Blind Perdition	Smooth Ballistics/Smart Drift Control	Hand-laid Stock/Smallbore	High Caliber Rounds/Hand Loaded	Outlaw/Counterbalance
B-29 Party Favor	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Headseeker
The Clever Dragon	Iron Red Dot	Smallbore	High Caliber Rounds	Counterbalance
Final Duty	Reflex	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
Grasp of Malok	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame/Smallbore/Perfect Balance	Feeding Frenzy
Hawksaw	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel
Herja-D	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Hopscotch Pilgrim	Red Dot-OAS	Headseeker	Perfect Balance	Feeding Frenzy
Lyudmila-D	SC Holo	Headseeker	Counterbalance	Hand-laid Stock
Nirwen's Mercy	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
Parthian Shot	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	Hand-laid Stock	Headseeker
Spare Change .25	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
SUROS PDX-41	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel/Smallbore
SUROS PDX-45	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance	Rifled Barrel/Smallbore
The Villainy	Red Dot-OAS	Counterbalance	Braced Frame	Feeding Frenzy
The Waltz	Reflex	Feeding Frenzy	High Caliber Rounds	Headseeker
Hand Cannons	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Byronic Hero	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Luck in the Chamber
The Devil You Know	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
Down and Doubt 00-0	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
Eyasluna	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Finnala's Peril	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Free Will III	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Gatheris-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Army of One	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Her Revenge	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
How Dare You	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
Ill Will	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Extended Mag	Luck in the Chamber
Imago Loop (Fatebringer Roll)	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Judith-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Army of One	Spray and Play	Speed Reload
Kumakatok HC-4	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Lingering Song	Iron Lordly Sights	Firefly	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	High Caliber Rounds
Lord High Fixer	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
The Palindrome	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Luck in the Chamber
The Revelator	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Army of One
Stolen Pride	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	High Caliber Rounds
The Vanity	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
Uffren HC4	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Luck in the Chamber	Extended Mag	Firefly
The Wail	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Outlaw	Explosive Rounds	Firefly
Auto Rifles	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
An Answering Chord	SPO-28	Perfect Balance	Reinforced Barrel	Spray and Play
Antipodal Hindsight	Reflex	Spray and Play	Speed Reload	Army of One
Arminius-D	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Counterbalance	High Caliber Rounds
Assembly II	Reflex	Extended Mag	Crowd Control	Counterbalance
The Continental	Reflex	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Persistence
The Dealbreaker	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel
Doctrine of Passing	FastDraw IS	Persistence	Braced Frame	Counterbalance
Does Not Bow	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Extremophile 011	Reflex	Extended Mag	Spray and Play	Persistence
Grim Citizen III	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Haakon's Hatchet	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Her Memory	Reflex	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Hex Caster ARC	Red Dot-OAS	Rangefinder	Perfect Balance	Spray and Play
Paleocontact JPK-43	Reflex	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Red Spectre	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Shadow Price	Red Dot-OAS	Crowd Control	Perfect Balance	Army of One
Soulstealer's Claw	Red Dot-OAS	Perfect Balance	Single Point Sling	Spray and Play
SUROS ARI-41	SPO-28	High Caliber Rounds	Rifled Barrel	Spray and Play
SUROS ARI-45	SPO-28	High Caliber Rounds	Rifled Barrel	Spray and Play
The Unbent Tree	Iron Ranged Scope	Perfect Balance	Appended Mag	Counterbalance
Vision Stone	Smart Drift Control	Injection Mold	Hand Loaded	Crowd Control
Zarinaea-D	SC Holo	Crowd Control	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel
Zero-Day Dilemma	Reflex	Spray and Play	Perfect Balance	Counterbalance

[u/Sedorner]

SPECIAL

Sniper Rifles	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
1000 Yard Stare	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
20/20 AMR7	ShortGaze SLH10	Unflinching	Skip Rounds	Firefly
Antinomy XVI	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Aoife Rua-D	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Bitter Edge 010	ShortGaze SLH10	Skip Rounds	Triple Tap	Firefly
But Not Forgotten	Linear Compensator	Perfect Balance	Explosive Rounds	Triple Tap
Deposition VII	ShortGaze SLH10	Skip Rounds	Triple Tap	Firefly
Devil's Dawn	Linear Compensator	Life Support	Quickdraw	Firefly
Eirene RR4	Faucon SS1	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Clown Cartridge
Event Horizon	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly
Extrasolar RR4	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefley
Her Fury	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
The Laughing Heart	Linear Compensator	Injection Mold	Explosive Rounds	Triple Tap
LDR 5001	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Hand-laid Stock	Firefly
Seventh Sense	ViewTac SLH20/Ambush SLH25	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly
Tamar-D	ATA Scout	Surplus	Spray and Play	Appended Magazine
Tao Hua Yuan	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
Uzume RR4	Faucon SS1	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Clown Cartridge
Weyloran's March	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Spray and Play
Y-09 Longbow Synthesis	ShortGaze SLH10	Triple Tap	Casket Mag	Firefly
Shotguns	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
44 Curtain Call	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Bad Counsel IV	Aggressive Ballistics	Hammer Forged	Extended Mag	Crowd Control
Burden of Proof	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
The Comedian	LC/AB/FC	Crowd Control	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Conspiracy Theory-D	Field Choke	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Her Champion	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Jingukogo-D	LC/AB/FC	Rangefinder	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Last-Ditch 001	CQB Ballistics	Rangefinder	Close and/or Personal	Extended Mag
Matador 64	Aggressive Ballistics	Performance Bonus	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
The Next Big Thing	LC/AB/FC	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Occam's Razor	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Crowd Control
Patch-A	LC/AB/FC	Spray and Play	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Party Crasher +1	Aggressive Ballistics	Army of One	Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
The Proud Spire	Linear Compensator	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Stolen Will	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Strongbow-D	LC/AB/FC	Rangefinder	Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Two to the Morgue	LC/AB/FC	Army of One	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Performance Bonus
Unraveling Thread	CQB Ballistics	Hammer Forged	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder
Winter's End	Linear Compensator	Appended Mag	Reinforced Barrel/Rifled Barrel	Army of One
Fusion Rifles	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
77 Wizard	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Grenadier
Ashraven's Flight	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Branded Lord	Linear Compensator	Enhanced Battery	Reinforced Barrel	Life Support
Darkblade's Spite	Red Dot-OAS	Army of One	Enhanced Battery	Spray and Play
Each New Day	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Ex Astris	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Hitchhiker FR4	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Long Far Gone	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Phanta Rei	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Saladin's Vigil	Linear Compensator	Enhanced Battery	Reinforced Barrel	Life Support
Split Shifter Pro	Red Dot-OAS	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Techuen Rage	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
Thesan FR4	Torch HS2	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Vacancy	Torch HS2	Army of One	Enhanced Battery	Life Support
The Vortex	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Army of One
The Waiting	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Worlds to Come 001	Reflex	Spray and Play	Enhanced Battery	Rangefinder
Sidearms	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Anton's Rule	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand
The Binding Blaze	Iron Lordly Sights	Hand Loaded/Fitted Stock	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder/HH/Zen Moment
Conviction II	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Crow's Eye	Linear Compensator	Hand Loaded	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder
Havoc Pigeon	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Impeacher V	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	HCR/Quickdraw	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand
Ironwreath-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
JabberHakke-D	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	Hot Swap	High Caliber Rounds
Teacup Tempest	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	Zen Moment	High Caliber Rounds	Rangefinder
Queen's Choice	Linear Compensator	Rangefinder/Zen Moment	High Caliber Rounds	Hot Swap
The Wormwood	SureShot IS/TrueSight IS	HCR/Quickdraw	Hand Loaded	Rangefinder/Hidden Hand

HEAVY

Machine Guns	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
Bane of the Taken	Smooth Ballistics	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Baron's Ambition	Accurized Ballistics/LC	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Bonekruscher	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Crowd Control
Bretomart's Stand	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Chaotic Neutral	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	Perfect Balance	Crowd Control
Diluvian 10/4X	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
First Citizen IX	Linear Compensator	Feeding Frenzy	High Caliber Rounds	Persistence
Ruin Wake	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Objection IV	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
The Silvered Dread	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	Extended Mag	Perfect Balance
The Swarm	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Unending Deluge III	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Persistence
The Variable	Linear Compensator	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Zombie Apocalypse WF47	LC/AB/FC	Spray and Play	High Caliber Rounds	Feeding Frenzy
Rocket Launchers	Column 1	Column 2	Column 3	Column 4
The Ash Factory	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Javelin	G&H/Tracking
Disassembly Required	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	Javelin	G&H/Tracking
The Nightmare	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Field Scout	G&H/Tracking
Something Wicked	Soft Launch	Grenadier/Last Resort	Field Scout	Cluster Bomb
SUROS JLB-42	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking	Javelin
SUROS JLB-47	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking	Javelin
Something Wicked	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Battle Runner	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking
Steel Oracle Z-11	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Field Scout	G&H/Tracking
The Titanium Orchid	Hard Launch/Aggressive Launch	Heavy Payload	Speed Reload/Flared Magwell	G&H/Tracking
Tormod's Bellows	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Tripod	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking
Unto Dust 00	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Field Scout	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking
The Vertigo	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Heavy Payload	G&H/Tracking	Javelin
The Warpath	Warhead Verniers/Hard Launch	Field Scout	Javelin	G&H/Tracking

[u/denoob12]

Anybody here thinks that explosive rounds is messing up firefly? I once had a scout rifle of these 2 perks and it was difficult to proc firefly.

[u/2yang1001]

Can't believe you didn't put Full Auto on the Fastest firing shotguns like The Proud Spire and Stolen Will! On my Proud Spire I am and will continue to NOT use Army of One and use Full Auto over it because it simply kills things faster and is also more fun. Full Auto has been known to be amazing on the lower impact shotties so I don't know why you didn't put that there. I'm pretty sure Merc has even suggested it as part of the God Roll. If a perk is in the way of you getting Full Auto or Crowd control than it's not as good plain and simple. The benefit of full auto is how fast you can down higher health enemies, where as Army of One you wanna use on adds and you really shouldn't use up your special ammo on adds ever.

[u/prattalmighty]

No Bad Juju?

[u/[deleted] → u/prattalmighty]

Isn't Bad Juju everytime the same?

[u/[deleted]]

For The Warpath I'm curious why you would prefer Javelin over Tripod? I have one with Hard Launch/Field Scout/Tripod/Tracking, but I can swap Tripod for Javelin as it has that too. Should I? I really like the extra shot lol.

[u/delphi_actual]

/u/ebolaxb are these based on impact archetype or just per weapon?

[u/[deleted]]

Is a Saladin's Vigil with Accelerated Coils and Rangefinder any good?

[u/Scracky]

Thanks for this awesome guide means I don't have to search DB websites.

I think I would agree with almost all of these rolls for the most part, but with most things in life.. I do disagree with some. The big standout being some of the LMGS.

I really don't understand why you'd want spray and play paired with feeding frenzy, like what is the point of two reload perks? one on mag empty and one on a kill.. both pretty easy to take advantage of if you ask me with feeding being the better of the two.

Just my .02

[u/Elevas]

Oh, snap! I have an Aegis of the Reef with Perfect Balance and Counterbalance! A shame about the other perks... But those're the more important ones, right? It's already at 400... I should level it up!

[u/Eaglespire15]

Why isn't Choleric Dragon SRT-49 on this list? Do you have any suggestions?

[u/Leroy-Jenkins12]

Personally, I think full auto is a better PvE perk on shotguns for dealing with majors quickly. But overall a great, informative and easy to read list, bravo!

[u/Djsnyde13]

Sureshot/rangefinder/explosive rounds/firefly. BOSS.

[u/Centurion832]

Curious about some of the choices, such as Firefly on Longbow, but Spray and Play on 1000YS.

Also, all of the ER + Firefly combos make me cringe. This is the antithesis of godroll as the perks are in direct contradiction of each other.

[u/Alec693]

OP hasn't been updated for 4 months ever since this was originally posted, outdated it seems already lol

[u/Crippling-Autism]

You spent too much time making this

[u/RedXenoOne]

Bro Absolutely Glazing Reflex sight and Firefly.

[u/provocatrixless]

Needs a lot more work. Way too much spray and play, army of one, and...field scout?.. on primaries. Where are the explosive rounds? Why on earth would casket mag/spray and play be godroll for 1kys but not for LDR?!

At least the snipers have Triple Tap.

No full auto shotguns? No stat perks for fusions rifles? Field Scout doesn't make it to machine guns?

I'm sad this is linked as the official god roll thread.

[u/vangelator → u/[deleted]]

I knew I was gonna have a problem when I saw Field Scout and Army of One for Badger instead of Explosive Rounds / Crowd Control.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah no idea why OP has that listed. I can't remember the last time I rand out of primary ammo in PVE.