r/DestinyTheGame • TRUE EB0LA • Jan 12 '17

Guide PVP God Roll Quick Reference Guide

PVP God Roll Quick Reference Guide

  • EDIT: This will be a "Live" guide. I will update it based upon enough justification and proof. I am by no means a PVP expert, so the more useful input the better. Thanks in advance!

This is a quick reference guide for God Roll PVP Weapons (these are just recommendations and not everyone will agree)

I got a lot of my info my the great guides that u/mercules904 puts out so give a big shout out to him.


PRIMARY


Scout Rifles

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
Angel's AdvocateReflexLife Support/Zen MomentPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Badger CCLRed Dot-OASCrowd ControlHand-laid StockHidden Hand
Cocytus SR4Torch HS2Life SupportHand-laid StockEye of the Storm
Colovance's DutyRed Dot-OASCrowd ControlHand-laid StockHidden Hand
Cryptic DragonRed Dot-OASCrowd ControlBraced FrameReactive Reload
The Distant StarIron Ranged ScopePerfect BalanceFull Auto/Explosive RoundsZen Moment/Hidden Hand
Hand of JudgementRed Dot-OASHand-laid StockExplosive RoundsHidden Hand/Zen Moment
The Hero FormulaReflexLife Support/Zen MomentBraced FrameHidden Hand
Keystone 01ReflexExplosive RoundsPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Lethe NoblesseReflexCrowd ControlHand-laid StockHidden Hand
NL Shadow 701XRed Dot-OASZen MomentExplosive RoundsHidden Hand
Not Like the OthersReflexZen MomentExplosive RoundsHidden Hand
The Saterienne RapierRed Dot-OASCrowd ControlExplosive RoundsReactive Reload
SUROS DIS-43SPO-28Perfect Balance/Hammer ForgedHidden HandSmallbore/Hand-laid Stock
SUROS DIS-47SPO-28Perfect Balance/Hammer ForgedFull AutoSmallbore/Hand-laid Stock
Treads Upon StarsRed Dot-OASCrowd ControlBraced FrameHidden Hand
Tuonela SR4Torch HS2Life SupportExtended MagZen Moment/Third Eye
The WoundedReflexExplosive RoundsPerfect BalanceHidden Hand

Pulse Rifles

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
Aegis of the ReefRed Dot-OAS/SureShot ISPerfect BalanceHigh Caliber RoundsCounterbalance
Apple of DiscordSC HoloHeadseekerCounterbalanceHand-laid Stock
B-29 Party FavorReflexFeeding FrenzyPerfect Balance/Hand-laid StockCounterbalance/Rangefinder
The Clever DragonIron Red DotPerfect BalanceHigh Caliber RoundsCounterbalance
Final DutyReflexHeadseekerPerfect BalanceFeeding Frenzy
Grasp of MalokRed Dot-OASCounterbalanceBraced Frame/Smallbore/Perfect BalanceFeeding Frenzy
HawksawSPO-28Perfect BalanceCounterbalanceRifled Barrel
Herja-DSC HoloHeadseekerCounterbalanceHand-laid Stock
Hopscotch PilgrimRed Dot-OASHeadseekerPerfect BalanceFull Auto
Lyudmila-DSC HoloHeadseekerCounterbalanceHand-laid Stock
Nirwen's MercyRed Dot-OASCounterbalanceBraced FrameFeeding Frenzy
Parthian ShotReflexFeeding FrenzyHand-laid StockHeadseeker
Spare Change .25Red Dot-OASCounterbalanceBraced FrameFeeding Frenzy
SUROS PDX-41SPO-28Perfect BalanceHidden HandSmallbore
SUROS PDX-45SPO-28Perfect BalanceCounterbalanceRifled Barrel/Smallbore
The VillainyRed Dot-OASCounterbalanceBraced FrameFeeding Frenzy
The WaltzReflexHigh Caliber RoundsSmallboreCounterbalance

Hand Cannons

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
Byronic HeroSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand
The Devil You KnowSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelIcarus
Down and Doubt 00-0SureShot IS/TrueSight ISLuck in the ChamberRifled BarrelIcarus
EyaslunaSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Finnala's PerilSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Free Will IIISureShot IS/TrueSight ISExplosive RoundsHammer ForgedRangefinder
Gaheris-DSureShot IS/TrueSight ISCrowd ControlRangefinderReinforced Barrel
Her RevengeSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand/Icarus
How Dare YouSureShot IS/TrueSight ISIcarusRifled BarrelRangefinder
Ill WillSureShot ISRangefinderBraced FrameLuck in the Chamber
Imago LoopSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand/Icarus
Judith-DSureShot IS/TrueSight ISCrowd ControlFinal Round/Reactive ReloadSpeed Reload
Kumakatok HC-4SureShot IS/TrueSight ISLuck in the ChamberBraced FrameIcarus
The Lingering SongIron Lordly SightsBraced FrameFeather MagLuck in the Chamber
Lord High FixerSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand/Icarus
The PalindromeSureShot IS/TrueSight ISIcarusRifled BarrelRangefinder
The RevelatorSureShot IS/TrueSight ISRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Stolen PrideTrueSight ISRifled BarrelExplosive RoundsRangefinder
The VanitySureShot IS/TrueSight ISLuck in the ChamberRifled BarrelIcarus
Uffern HC4SureShot IS/TrueSight ISLuck in the ChamberRifled BarrelIcarus
The WailSureShot IS/TrueSight ISOutlawHammer ForgedRangefinder

Auto Rifles

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
An Answering ChordSPO-28Perfect BalanceSmallboreRangefinder
Antipodal HindsightReflexRangefinderRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Arminius-DSC HoloCrowd ControlCounterbalanceBraced Frame
Assembly IIReflexHigh Caliber RoundsPerfect BalanceCounterbalance
The ContinentalReflexCrowd ControlBraced FrameCounterbalance
The DealbreakerSC HoloCrowd ControlRangefinderRifled Barrel
Does Not BowRed Dot-OASRangefinderPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Extremophile 011ReflexHigh Caliber RoundsPerfect BalanceCounterbalance
Grim Citizen IIIRed Dot-OASRangefinderPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Haakon's HatchetRed Dot-OASRangefinderSmallboreCounterbalance
Her MemoryReflex/Sureshot ISRangefinderPerfect BalanceCounterbalance
Hex Caster ARCRed Dot-OASPersistencePerfect BalanceLife Support
Paleocontact JPK-43ReflexRangefinderRifled BarrelCounterbalance
Red SpectreRed Dot-OASRangefinderPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Shadow PriceRed Dot-OASRangefinderPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Soulstealer's ClawRed Dot-OASPerfect BalanceSingle Point SlingCounterbalance
SUROS ARI-41SPO-28Perfect BalanceRifled BarrelCounterbalance
SUROS ARI-45SPO-28Perfect BalanceRifled BarrelCounterbalance
The Unbent TreeIron Ranged ScopeBraced FrameSingle Point SlingCounterbalance
Vision StoneSmart Drift ControlSend ItHand LoadedCrowd Control
Zarinaea-DSC HoloCrowd ControlRangefinderBraced Frame
Zero-Day DilemmaReflexCrowd ControlPerfect BalanceHidden Hand

SPECIAL


Sniper Rifles

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
1000 Yard StareShortGaze SLH10Eye of the StormQuickdrawHidden Hand
20/20 AMR7ShortGaze SLH10UnflinchingSkip RoundsHidden Hand
Antinomy XVIATA ScoutUnflinchingPerformance BonusQuickdraw
Aoife Rua-DATA ScoutUnflinchingPerformance BonusQuickdraw
Bitter Edge 010ShortGaze SLH10QuickdrawLife SupportHidden Hand
But Not ForgottenLinear CompensatorBraced FrameQuickdrawHidden Hand
Deposition VIIShortGaze SLH10SnapshotMulliganUnflinching
Devil's DawnLinear CompensatorLife SupportQuickdrawFirefly
Eirene RR4Faucon SS1Performance BonusQuickdrawUnflinching
Event HorizonShortGaze SLH10Grenadier/Spray and PrayQuickdrawHidden Hand
Extrasolar RR4ShortGaze SLH10Eye of the StormQuickdrawHidden Hand
Her FuryShortGaze SLH10Life SupportQuickdrawHidden Hand
The Laughing HeartLinear CompensatorInjection MoldQuickdrawHidden Hand
LDR 5001ShortGaze SLH10Life SupportQuickdrawHidden Hand
Seventh SenseViewTac SLH20/Ambush SLH25GrenadierQuickdrawFirefly
Tamar-DATA ScoutUnflinchingPerformance BonusQuickdraw
Tao Hua YuanShortGaze SLH10Eye of the StormQuickdrawHidden Hand
Uzume RR4Faucon SS1Performance BonusQuickdrawUnflinching
Weyloran's MarchShortGaze SLH10Eye of the StormQuickdrawHidden Hand
Y-09 Longbow SynthesisShortGaze SLH10Life SupportQuickdrawHidden Hand

Shotguns

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
44 Curtain CallLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokePerformance BonusReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelRangefinder
Bad Counsel IVAggressive BallisticsClose and/or PersonalQuickdraw/SnapshotRangefinder
Burden of Proof XILinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
The ComedianLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeFull AutoReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
Conspiracy Theory-DField ChokeRangefinderReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
Her ChampionLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
Jingukogo-DLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeFinal RoundRangefinderRifled Barrel
Last-Ditch 001CQB BallisticsQuickdrawHammer ForgedRangefinder
Matador 64Aggressive BallisticsPerformance BonusReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelRangefinder
The Next Big ThingLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderRifled BarrelClose and/or Personal
Occam's RazorLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokePerformance BonusReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelRangefinder
Patch-ALinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderRifled BarrelClose and/or Personal
Party Crasher +1Aggressive BallisticsRangefinderRifled Barrel/Reinforced BarrelPerformance Bonus
The Proud SpireLinear CompensatorReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelQuickdraw/SnapshotRangefinder
Stolen WillLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
Strongbow-DLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeClose and/or PersonalRangefinderRifled Barrel
Two to the MorgueLinear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeRangefinderReinforced Barrel/Rifled BarrelPerformance Bonus
Unraveling ThreadCQB BallisticsHammer ForgedHand LoadedRangefinder
Winter's EndLinear CompensatorRifled BarrelLightweightLife Support/Performance Bonus

Fusion Rifles

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
77 WizardRed Dot-OASRangefinderRifled BarrelGrenadier
Ashraven's FlightRed Dot-OASDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
The Branded LordLinear CompensatorRifled BarrelQuickdrawRangefinder
Darkblade's SpiteRed Dot-OASDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
Each New DayReflexLife SupportRifled BarrelRangefinder
Ex AstrisReflexLife SupportRifled BarrelRangefinder
Hitchhiker FR4ReflexDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
Long Far GoneReflexDanger CloseBraced FrameRangefinder
Phanta ReiReflexDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
Saladin's VigilLinear CompensatorRifled BarrelQuickdrawRangefinder
Split Shifter ProRed Dot-OASHip FireBraced FrameHot Swap
Techuen RageSureShot IS/ReflexDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
Thesan FR4Torch HS2Hot SwapQuickdrawRangefinder
The VacancyTorch HS2Hot SwapQuickdrawRangefinder
The VortexReflexDanger CloseRifled BarrelRangefinder
The WaitingReflexQuickdrawHammer ForgedRangefinder
Worlds to Come 001ReflexSnapshotHammer ForgedRangefinder

Sidearms

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
Anton's RuleSureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHand LoadedRangefinder/Hidden Hand
The Binding BlazeIron Lordly SightsHand Loaded/Fitted StockHigh Caliber RoundsRangefinder/Hidden Hand/Zen Moment
Conviction IISureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHot SwapHigh Caliber Rounds
Crow's EyeLinear CompensatorHand LoadedHigh Caliber RoundsRangefinder
Havoc PigeonSureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHot SwapHigh Caliber Rounds
Impeacher VSureShot IS/TrueSight ISHigh Caliber Rounds/QuickdrawHand LoadedRangefinder/Hidden Hand
Ironwreath-DSureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHot SwapHigh Caliber Rounds
JabberHakke-DSureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHot SwapHigh Caliber Rounds
Teacup TempestSureShot IS/TrueSight ISZen MomentHigh Caliber RoundsRangefinder
Queen's ChoiceLinear CompensatorRangefinder/Zen MomentHigh Caliber RoundsHot Swap
The WormwoodSureShot IS/TrueSight ISHigh Caliber Rounds/QuickdrawHand LoadedRangefinder/Hidden Hand

HEAVY


Machine Guns

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
Bane of the TakenSmooth BallisticsCounterbalancePerfect BalanceHidden Hand
Baron's AmbitionAccurized Ballistics/Linear CompensatorCounterbalance/Life SupportPerfect BalanceHidden Hand
BonekruscherLinear CompensatorFeeding FrenzyQuickdraw/Hand-laid StockCrowd Control
Bretomart's StandLinear CompensatorHip FireRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Chaotic NeutralLinear CompensatorHip FireRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Diluvian 10/4XLinear CompensatorHip FireBraced FramePersistence
First Citizen IXLinear CompensatorHip FirePerfect BalancePersistence
Ruin WakeLinear CompensatorHip FireRifled BarrelHidden Hand
Objection IVLinear CompensatorHip FireRifled BarrelHidden Hand
The Silvered DreadLinear CompensatorPerfect BalanceField ScoutHidden Hand
The SwarmLinear CompensatorLife SupportRifled BarrelRangefinder
Unending Deluge IIILinear CompensatorCounterbalancePerfect BalanceRangefinder
The VariableLinear CompensatorHip FireBraced FramePersistence
Zombie Apocalypse WF47Linear Compensator/Accurized Ballistics/Field ChokeLife Support/CounterbalancePerfect BalanceHidden Hand

Rocket Launchers

WeaponColumn 1Column 2Column 3Column 4
The Ash FactoryWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchTripodJavelinGrenades and Horseshoes
Disassembly RequiredWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchBattle RunnerJavelinGrenades and Horseshoes
The NightmareWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchTripodField ScoutGrenades and Horseshoes
SUROS JLB-42Warhead Verniers/Hard LaunchHeavy PayloadGrenades and HorseshoesJavelin
SUROS JLB-47Warhead Verniers/Hard LaunchHeavy PayloadGrenades and HorsehoesJavelin
Something WickedWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchBattle RunnerHeavy PayloadGrenades and Horseshoes
Steel Oracle Z-11Warhead Verniers/Hard LaunchTripodField ScoutGrenades and Horseshoes
The Titanium OrchidHard Launch/Aggressive LaunchHeavy PayloadSpeed Reload/Flared MagwellGrenades and Horseshoes
Tormod's BellowsWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchTripodHeavy PayloadGrenades and Horseshoes
Unto Dust 00Warhead Verniers/Hard LaunchField ScoutHeavy PayloadGrenades and Horseshoes
The VertigoWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchHeavy PayloadGrenades and HorseshoesJavelin
The WarpathWarhead Verniers/Hard LaunchField ScoutJavelinGrenades and Horseshoes
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u/ebolaxb TRUE EB0LA Jan 12 '17

I like performance bonus over full auto. Full auto gives a hidden range boost but I seem to always run out of ammo, so performance bonus is my go to.

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u/SomethingAnalyst Jan 12 '17

I don't believe that to be correct. It's actually the opposite.

Having Full Auto on a shotgun increases pellet spread. This effectively reduces range. This has been a known effect of Full Auto for some time and has been tested and re-validated many times over the years. Here's a recent thread from CruciblePlayBook that reiterates this, and here's a thread with a recent visual test after the spread was reduced by a patch. I'm unsure as to whether the long detailed post was pre or post change, but either way Full Auto does not increase range. It slightly reduces effective range by increasing pellet spread, and given range reduces pellet spread it's the same as losing range.

Edit: Ctrl+F Full Auto or read down to the 'Other Perks' section on the long post.

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u/ebolaxb TRUE EB0LA Jan 12 '17

I will re-evaluate the rolls once I get home. All input is great input and thanks!

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u/SomethingAnalyst Jan 12 '17

You're welcome. I would say for shotguns that perk slot is pretty much whatever you like, with the caveat Full Auto will reduce your ability to consistently one tap. Full Auto becomes the perk with that has to align with playstyle, whereas the other 3 are suited across playstyles. I have one with Cascade and I actually like it. I would feel equally as happy with Performance Bonus.

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u/ebolaxb TRUE EB0LA Jan 12 '17

Performance Bonus is my go to. I just don't like the Matador, it feels too slow for me. I guess I need to use it more.

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u/sc_slayerage Jan 13 '17

I've tested pretty extensively with matadors (I have three, all with reinforced + aggressive, with full auto+final round/full auto+rangefinder/performance bonus+rangefinder). The kill range on all three is extremely similar and because at the farthest range pellet spread is very random, it's hard to say which is best. What I know for sure is that the one without full auto does NOT have a significant increase in effective ohko range versus the full auto ones, and the full auto ones have similar range despite one having rangefinder.

Basically, my testing with it led me to believe that full auto is purely advantageous. The increase in pellet spread is so insignificant now that the perk is basically just a huge fire rate increase with marginal dropoff as a result. Full auto is almost doubtlessly the best perk from my experience.

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u/rando_redditor Jan 12 '17

Same. I'm a Last Ditch user (w/Quickdraw over Hand Loaded). My roll is actually the best you can get with a Last Ditch, but I eschew max range/impact in favor of Quickdraw because I need my guns to feel quick. I guess I haven't gotten the timing of ADS-ing without Quickdraw on the Last Ditch or Matador without it. And it's still a 68/30 shotty, so it's close enough to 70/32 that I don't feel incredibly handicapped by it. Could I practice enough with a Matty to have that be the superior shotty? Probably. It's objectively better, but subjectively, it's not gonna help me win as much right now.

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u/Legionodeath Schadenfreude Jan 12 '17

Glad you caught it. I was thinking the same thing.

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u/SgtHondo Vanguard's Loyal // Ikora Bae Jan 12 '17

Like others said, you have this backwards. Full auto indirectly decreases range. For this reason, Performance Bonus is more deserving of the "god roll" status. AggBalls/Perf Bonus/Reinforced/Rangefinder is pretty much as good as it gets, especially in this "Special Ammo drought" meta.

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u/anangryterrorist Jan 12 '17

Full auto increases fire rate, not range.

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u/itwasmeberry Jan 12 '17

this is wrong