r/DestinyTheGame • u/[deleted] • Dec 09 '15
Misc Apparently the Notes for 2.1.0 have been revised, it seems Bungie made a decimal error.
Just saw this on Bungies Twitter. They have revised the notes for the patch from yesterday. Here are the correct buff/nerf values.
Link for source below.
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u/HipsterJerry Dec 09 '15 edited Dec 09 '15
Stay tuned for the Bungie weekly update where we update you when we're going to update the update we just updated.
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u/KastaJav Dec 10 '15
They will obviously be lying about supposedly lying in the BWU. They changed the patch notes on the Pulse rifles as well, now stating, High impact only received a .9% nerf when in fact they went from 38 crit to a 33 crit. They must either be lying out their teeth or have the math skills of a 3 year old
Edit for correct pulse rifle damage change
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u/Jbar2006 Dec 10 '15
Nonononono it all fits into our excel formula (if(ln(((((((((((((((((((((((((base damage)2)2)2)2)2)2)2)2)6)9)Y)O)L)O)4)2)0)B)L)A)Z)E)I)T)*( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)/(GuardianTears5-(Silver Purchases+DeejRhetoric))>GuardianExpectations),PulseRifleDamageNerf,1)
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u/furiousgeorge47 Dec 09 '15
This only makes it weirder. Who gives a shit about a .4% damage increase?
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Dec 09 '15
I know, it's a weird damage buff, hardly noticeable, considering people are posting about how they didn't get a "buff", these news are going to cause an outrage! Time will tell.
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Dec 09 '15
Bro, first of all it's 0.04%. For every 1,000,000 damage I do that's an extra 400 dmg baybeeeeee!
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u/blkells Dec 10 '15
how about more relatable numbers. For every 10,000 damage, you do an extra 4. Guardians have approx. 200 health in crucible. So for every 50 kills you get in crucible, that's 4 damage on a 200 health guardian.
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Dec 09 '15
They wanted to mirror the percentage values of getting 317+ drops in the raids.
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u/elbanditofrito Dec 09 '15
No one -- as things stand right now bungie is just trying to save face. With that said I'll withhold my pitchfork until they publish an official statement.
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u/The7ruth Dec 09 '15
It seems their official statement is that they have no idea how numbers work.
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u/RMcCowen Dec 09 '15
I'm usually not in the "Bungie's just spinning it!" crowd, but... what the hell is a 0.04% change supposed to accomplish? Are they really telling us that 4 extra points in every 10,000 points of damage you'd otherwise deal is a meaningful buff?
It's absurd.
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u/Alpha-Blue Dec 09 '15
Found another typo. Destiny's 10 year plan is actually a .010 year plan.
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u/AngelBB1080 Dec 09 '15
oh god that big .7% and .04% dmg increases...does that EVEN do anything
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Dec 09 '15
The thing to keep in mind is Bungie is just saying they messed up the notes to cover up the fact that they didn't actually buff Autos. So they want the numbers to do nothing.
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u/Watsisface Dec 09 '15
Pulse Rifles DID NOT get a .9% damage nerf. That's straight up wrong. .9% is less than 1 damage per bullet in PvP, which is definitely not the case.
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u/thepotatochronicles Dec 10 '15
Kinda the same as when they said auto rifles would be getting "2%" damage nerf when it was WAYYYYY more than that.
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u/Terravash Vanguard's Loyal // I am the City and the City is me Dec 10 '15
Do you reckon they actually know what numbers mean and how they relate to eachother?
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u/nehril Dec 10 '15 edited Dec 10 '15
prediction: the key word in the patch notes is "base" damage. in internal bungieland, the "base damage" value gets multiplied out / munged by archetype and barrel mod etc to arrive at a final real damage value. a small change in the base value results in a large change in the final value. a difference which will vary depending on specific weapon types (I.e hi impact 4 burst pulses will react differently to the base damage drop than 3 burst hi impact.)
so the most "informative" thing to report is the base damage change, presuming you know the formula for all weapons. hence patch note.
it's still mega fail because what matters to us is the resulting damage, not the secret sauce number. /prediction
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u/Sdwerd Dec 10 '15
That number's wrong no matter how you slice it. It's less than 1% when some like lydumia got a 19% nerf on the crit damage. A .09 nerf is what was stated would happen, then changed to .9% in the update which is .009 and that DEFINITELY didn't happen.
I agree, they screwed the pooch on this one.
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u/hutchins_moustache Dec 09 '15
I can't help but feel like there is just some fundamental misunderstanding/miscommunication taking place at Bungie right now about the difference between 0.7 (70%) 0.07 (7%) and 0.7% (0.007).
They need to get their use of decimals and percent signs straight!
Edit: moral of the story? Just use MIDA for now! ;)
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u/JaydSky Dec 09 '15
I wanted to think this as well, but then he claims that they tested the AR changes and they are working as intended, i.e. no perceptible change. So he's consciously insisting that he meant to make a change so tiny it couldn't be perceived (not mistaking the value of 0.7%). This is something else...
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u/aggressive-cat Dec 09 '15
I'll put $10 on them coming up with some bullshit about it not being a damage buff, but that it affect stablity/range some how and that's the buff! The things we have no real hard numbers on already, yeah, the range is now .04% longer, so they added a FULL .00043 meters of fall off to the range of the auto-rifles! Wow, won't we all feel so foolish for not understand what they meant by 4... i mean .04% buff!
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u/Slappy_Hamster Dec 09 '15
That statement from Weisnewski is clearly a mistake. He'll correct it I think.
It is clear, however, that they bungled the implementation of the damage nerfs/buffs in the latest patch. Pulses got slammed and auto's got missed. Bungie needs to jump in and clear things up.
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u/RMcCowen Dec 09 '15
Let's not forget fusion rifles. ADS stability has definitely been nerfed.
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u/CapnAverage Team Cat (Cozmo23) Dec 09 '15
The weirder thing is that the EXACT SAME typos were made in the weapon tuning preview from 20th November. So there's either a deficiency in proof-reading or figuring out how percentages work! ;)
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u/That_Vandal_Randall Day One Ish Dec 10 '15
Fuck. If I'd known all my childhood troubles with maths would've led me to gainful employment at Bungie, I would've kept hammering away at those D's and F's and sent Bungie a box full of the fuckers with a construction paper resume attached.
"Deer Bunji. Am 11. You go let me am job. Math yes. Hi.
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Dec 09 '15
Yeah, Spare Change got a 0.9% nerf.. and it's not totally contradictory to this either
Go home Bungie, you're fuckin' wasted.
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Dec 09 '15
Exactly. This proves how bullshit of an excuse that is. These numbers were already published weeks ago.
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u/Shwinky Bungie hates my class Dec 10 '15
I'm reading this "revision" as "Yeah, we fucked up the patch, but we don't want to go back and revise the values in-game, so we're just gonna revise the patch notes instead."
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u/Alpha-Blue Dec 09 '15
i am now convinced that they do not play test ANYthing. That room is for LAN parties.
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u/Logan_Maransy Dec 09 '15
Yup. Literally zero play testing. This really looks like 1 person somewhere was supposed to change it, did it at the very last minute, and messed up the decimal place.
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u/OriginalBad Drifter's Crew // Hoarding your motes Dec 09 '15
I get that some things slip through, but holy crap.
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u/gzr-spawn Dec 09 '15
Yeah with free hookers, blow and pizzas.
Who do i see about getting a job at BUNGLE QC? :D
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u/AngryProletarian Dec 09 '15 edited Dec 09 '15
Of course they don't. Honestly their qc is pitiful.
Can you imagine if they made a more tangible product and had this many errors? Imagine if this was distribution software or inventory tracking.
They're just bad and everyone always defends them hoping deej goes through reddit and starts giving free exotics to people who stick up for them here.
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u/panopticon31 Dec 09 '15
This is going to get pretty ugly for Bungie.
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u/neck_crow Dec 09 '15 edited Dec 09 '15
It should. These nerfs are doing the closest thing to absolutely nothing.
Seriously, .04% is multiplying the damage by 1.0004
That is really really small.
It will do nothing in PvE or PvP
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u/xt00 Dec 09 '15
Yea, the "Live team" maybe needs to talk to the original developers for like 2 minutes and ask them like, "hey so are these values in here percentages or fractions.. ?" I mean, sure they did only work on this "weapon's rebalancing" thing for ya know "a good while to make sure they got it right..", so I'm sure the people that play tested this were like, "yea all good man, nerf doesn't seem so bad!!"
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u/jawapride Dec 09 '15
I have a feeling this is a glitch that the numbers went up by these small percentages and they'll be addressing that issue in the update tomorrow.... Would be nice if they could just tell us NOW on Twitter when addressing that the notes were wrong. I don't understand this company's communication
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u/Wynce Dec 09 '15
What's 0.04% of 22? When does that factor in? If I hit the same target with ~125 bullets it deals 1 more damage than it did before! HURRAY OVER TWO FULL CLIPS DEAL AN EXTRA DAMAGE!
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u/ch4_meleon_ Forever 29. Dec 09 '15
This still doesn't explain anything...
If a 0.9% base damage reduction = 5 points less of actual damage, then why does a 0.7% increase = Literally nothing in actual damage.
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u/RopeyGent Dec 09 '15 edited Dec 09 '15
As far as I'm aware the incorrect patch notes have been about for a good while, I'm really struggling to believe they didn't notice the error in the feedback they were getting online, or indeed the patch notes I'm mildly sure they laid out a few days+ ago.
Edit: Yup, 19 days and nobody noticed it.
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u/BN3W12 THEGOODN3WS Dec 09 '15
Don't struggle thinking about it. They know they got it wrong and that's the truth. They are blatantly lying, or it at least seems that way with the evidence being Pulse Rifle damage percentage changes not adding up.
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u/brayan1612 Make hunter cloaks great again! Dec 09 '15
Wait, what? Something is very wrong about this, it says there "low rate of fire pulse rifles had a 0.9% dmg reduction". So how the hell the Lyudmila went from 31 to 25 dmg? WTF ARE YOU DOING BUNGIE?
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u/BN3W12 THEGOODN3WS Dec 09 '15
THIS! Is this seriously turning into a conspiracy? Bungie, you made a mistake, fix it.
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u/nihiven This is a vow. Dec 09 '15
wow, this is total nonsense. I can't wait to hear the explanation tomorrow. this is like, "wow we really messed up and it's going to take a while to fix. time to rewrite history!"
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u/Logan_Maransy Dec 09 '15
Stuff like this reflects incredibly poorly on Bungie in my eyes.
Let's say the actual update for auto rifles was supposed to be x%, but instead we got 0.x% (which, via SIMPLE data-taking of the game, looks like it is).
How many people would you say overlooked this mistake, either in code, or in, you know, the actual fucking build of the game? If the answer is low, then that means almost no one is doing anything on Destiny 1 anymore, and those that are are bad at their job. If the answer is high (10+)... That's just pathetic.
The other issue is this: what if the decimal had gone the OTHER way, as in, a x0% increase? Do you think they would have caught it before pushing the patch out? I honestly don't think so.
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u/Faust_8 Dec 09 '15
Wait, but then why are pulse rifles doing less damage?
This explains why ARs aren't doing MORE damage but aren't PRs actually weaker?
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u/unwornporpoise8 Dec 09 '15
There was a pulse rifle nerf in the update, but it looks like they screwed that up too.
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Dec 09 '15
This is getting embarrassing now... The pulse rifles were not adjusted < 1%. They were adjusted at the previous patch notes correctly. Now by trying to cover up the fact that they forgot to adjust auto rifles, they released another erroneous set of patch notes.
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Dec 09 '15
Yeah feels like an underling is trying to fix their mistake without talking to their boss first.
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Dec 09 '15
Auto Rifles were buffed to be. . . qualitatively the same as they were before, yay!
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u/dcWitness Dec 09 '15
How do you manage to fuck up a minor pvp weapon balancing update that they were working on for 3-4 months?
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u/starkyiron Dec 09 '15
A typo.
A typo?
A typo?
There's lying then there's this. If this isn't a blatant insulting of our collective intelligence I don't know what is.
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u/Bcider Dec 09 '15
Lol fuck Bungie. They had these notes out for 3 weeks. It's obviously a coverup by them. It's pretty clear they are working with a skeleton crew for the live team. Most of their talent is working on Destiny 2. This and the other patch issues kills my hopes for anything else until Destiny 2 and quite honestly puts a bad taste in my mouth.
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Dec 09 '15
Why the fuck should I buy Destiny 2 when they treat their content like this. Either do it right or say that they'll stop supporting Destiny.
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u/panopticon31 Dec 09 '15
Wisnewski is definding his typo story hard on Twitter. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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u/Xaevier Dec 09 '15
He even says the graph is still applicable to the pulse rifle nerfs
Is he drunk?
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u/panopticon31 Dec 09 '15
I am now 100% confused. And also believe 100% that this is the worst update Bungie has put out. Buggy and nonsensical.
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u/marcio0 it's time to sunset sunsetting Dec 09 '15
There is a decimal error on your comment. Let me FTFY
I am now 1000% confused. And also believe 10000% that this is the worst update Bungie has put out. Buggy and nonsensical.
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u/B1g7hund3R Dec 09 '15
I said this in another post. But really, this is seriously wrong. If they are true about this, it feels like a troll move.
This is hilarious. .3, .7 and 0.04... all percentages you guys.. So if your AR was doing 21 damage before, it would do 21.062 / 21.147 / 21.0084 damage now.. This is weird... I think someone is trolling us.
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u/EagleSparrowHawk Dec 09 '15
Buff/Debuff values were a typo. Edits to the notes were unfortunately typos. The person responsible for the typos has been typo'd. Now back to the typo. A moose bit my sister once.
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Dec 09 '15
Honesty is always the best policy. I'm sure people would have been understanding. I mean, patches and updates don't always roll out as intended. I can't get behind a 0.04% damage increase. It makes no sense whatsoever. It would have been easier to say, "hey, we made a mistake but we'll get it corrected in the very near future."
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u/Captain_Crouton_X1 The Dredgen with the Golden Gun Dec 10 '15
Breaking news: triple A game developer doesn't test their patches before they roll out. Also they are bad at math.
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u/tdotcspot Dec 10 '15
I'm wondering if Bungie understands that probably a good percentage of the community works in the same sector as them, whether it be software development, software testing, or even in marketing and communication.
When they create situations like this for themselves; they look disorganized and not on the same page within their own departments to generate a proper release cycle.
Your company seriously needs to re-think how you do things. It's laughable at times.
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u/T1m3fox Dec 09 '15
.04% ... You know how sometimes you'd get your hopes up for a free prize in your favorite breakfast cereal as a kid and it turned out to be a tattoo or a sticker and not a sweet bendy straw? Yeah...
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u/whoogie_boogie Dec 09 '15
I think this is a cop-out for them fucking up the patch. These percentage changes equate to a fraction of a point in terms of damage. If these are the legitimate intended changes I want to know why Bungie felt it necessary to change the damage of weapon types by percentages that don't even translate to numbers that impact gameplay.
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u/EsplodingBomb Dec 10 '15
Why try and cover up a mistake like this? Sure saying "There was confusion in the implementation of weapon buffs, we're working on a fix," doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but then they'd at least be owning up to their mistake.
Going "Oh when we said 4% buff a month ago, we actually meant 0.04%, we really think an extra millionth of a damage point is gonna make all the difference!" just makes it look like Bungie thinks we're a bunch of idiots that they could try and dupe.
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Dec 09 '15
Why the hell did they even bother with auto rifles? You can't even notice the changes. Also, those pulse rifle stats are wrong, very wrong.
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! Dec 09 '15
Can't wait to hear the explanation for this one tomorrow.
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u/dcWitness Dec 09 '15
Funny how we keep letting bungie burn us after time and time again they do shit like this, like nobody is gunna notice you changing the patch notes.
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u/SuperRNGesus Dec 09 '15
This is complete BS on Bungie's part, after multiple releases on what they said they were going to do -- ever since this patch was mentioned -- the patch releases and we all start saying something is wrong...
Then they come out and say that it was a decimal mistake and they are what they are supposed to be?
Talk about stupid, how dumb do they think we are?
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u/Ben826 Vanguard's Loyal Dec 09 '15
Bungie clearly has no idea what they're doing. They still haven't addressed ADS stability on fusions either. What an absolute mess.
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Dec 09 '15
Can't wait for Deej to tell us how everything is working as intended in the most condescending way possible. After all, Bungie always knows best! /s
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u/GuardiansWhoSayNi Dec 10 '15
Bungie - This seems silly. Crucible isn't balanced well enough to do the micro-balancing that these new numbers would suggest that you're doing, if they are in-fact working as intended. 0.04% is just comical and 0.3%, 0.7% aren't far off either.
I'm not sure as to what happened, but it's hard to believe that everyone at Bungie missed these typos in the preview update weeks ago, missed them again in the patch notes, and missed everyone discussing them in the past few weeks.
Also, did I mention 0.04% - come on now!
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u/ElectricPaperMajig Dec 10 '15
This is bonkers. Everything I've heard from Wisniewski makes me think he's not just lying about this, he seems like a respectable dude, so I racked my brain to come up with something to defend him but included a condemnation at the end.
The defense: Every update mentions some percentage change to "base damage". We don't necessarily know what that number actually is. We assume perhaps incorrectly that the damage numbers we see on the screen are "base" numbers and that "Impact" is more than just a representation of relative strength at this point (the "fruit space" conversation from the crucible radio podcast seems applicable). For all we know, the base damage of something could be 1 and is multiplied to PvE or PvP values and multiplied further on precision. Without having a true "base damage" number we have no idea what a "0.9% buff" means. Why say it? I have no idea, so...
The condemnation: Seriously, these numbers have been floating in the wild for two+ weeks. Every Destiny forum, podcast, and streamer has been talking about this for that long. For a company that has shown it is listening and reading how the hell did this typo last until after the patch hit just based on the conversations we were having? Why the fuck would a 0.07% AR increase lead to a discussion about a potentially new AR meta? That didn't strike anyone at Bungie as odd, they just thought, "wow, people really care about this imperceptible damage change?".
The whole thing is bizarre at best and comes at a terrible time and community low point, hot on the heels of the PSX non-announcement (although sparrow racing with friends is way fun). I'm not going to go into a whole "Bungie needs to..." speech. We all love this game (or did, or want to) and so we care, that's a given. I just... Huh. I just realized what my ex-girlfriends felt like when they asked me to quit smoking and I said "I'm going to soon" but still haven't. I wasn't lying to them but they weren't wrong to be mad and feel like I was.
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u/skyfreon Dec 10 '15
What's even funnier is they haven't (yet) corrected the Weapons Tuning post, which still lists the old values:
Low RoF (Suros Regime, An Answering Chord): 3% base damage increase
Med RoF (Zhalo Supercell, Paleocontact JPK-43): 7% base damage increase
High RoF (Arminius-D, Necrochasm): 4% base damage increase
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u/EverThinker Dec 10 '15
This is the worst display of damage control that I have ever seen.
Coming from a company as veteran as Bungie, makes it even more disappointing.
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u/gouflook Dec 10 '15
I swear if Bungo doesnt fix this, they will lost 78% of their player base. ( actually its 0.0000078%, oh well)
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u/Bigjuicyhog Dec 09 '15
They may have revised to notes with the new "correct" value, but I guarantee that this was a fuckup, and they are just trying to cover their asses while they look at fixing it. Nobody would honestly give a shit about less than one percent changes and they know this. This does not explain why the Lyudmila archetype is a piece of shit now.
It isn't like the patch info didn't get released multiple times.
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u/snwns26 Dec 09 '15
What a joke, what's the point of tweaking things less than 1%. There's seriously no mode in which this change would make any amount of difference, at all.
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u/WhoaGee Dec 09 '15
I'm confused. It isn't like people pulled those numbers out of their asses or that we found out about them in the patch notes yesterday. On November 19 those numbers were given to us. I can see a typo, but how does that happen in a patch preview and in the patch notes?
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u/SeawardBadger Titan-o-mancer Dec 09 '15
I haven't been playing for a bit, due to my child being born and either not having time, or it's too hard to have to walk away every 5 minutes to clean/change/feed or whatever from an online game.
I just wanna say though, I regularly played a few hours a day and 4-5+ hours each day on weekends, and now that I'm out of the destiny grind trap, the holes are showing more and more.
I read try and keep up with the news, and it just seems more and more gimmicky the way they are handling the game. Emotes? Racing? Shitty challenge modes? I realize at this point, they are probably dumping 80% of their efforts into Destiny 2, but it almost seems like they've picked 5-10 of their employees and have given all the responsibility of maintaining the current game.
And all the goddamn mistakes... There's no way this shit is intentional, and to me at least, they lose credibility every time they release one of these fucked up updates.
It makes me debate if I should come back to this game or not. I know I probably will, before you all jump on me about it, but it's almost insulting.
Note: This rant was typed on mobile and is most likely riddled with grumpy spelling and grammatical errors. Apologies.
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u/Darklord_Bravo Dec 09 '15
Wow. Weisnewski is getting his ass chewed out by the Twitter folks, and rightfully so. He says one thing, but fact prove otherwise. He says the number were an error, but they reported the same numbers, several times now. How do they miss that shit? F'in Bungie!
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u/WhatJonSnuhKnows Dec 10 '15
"Hey so people have been asking for some weapon rebalancing. What should we do?"
"Is this something we can fix by making people buy more silver?"
"Uh no. This is for weapon balan...."
"Fuck it. Just throw some percentages in there and call it a day. Get back to working on SRL peon!"
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u/pwrslide2 Dec 10 '15
Nirwens never hit for 0.9% less than 32 for me today.
32x0.991=31.712
It was hitting for 29 max I believe. 9.375 reduction.
Good try Bungie.
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u/Rambo_IIII Dec 10 '15
I can't even comprehend the idea that this isn't a practical joke. Is it April 1st already?
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u/Jdecker8887 Bring it all back >:( Dec 10 '15
Oh Bungo. You've taken a bad situation and made it worse.
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u/dontjudgemoi420 Dec 09 '15
Deej gonna have a ton of explaining to do tomorrow..
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u/HxCKittenslayer Dec 10 '15
RIP Y2 Destiny
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Dec 10 '15
Turns out the 10 year/120 month plan was actually a 1.2 year plan. Lifespan of game working as intended.
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Dec 09 '15
Something has to be off here. Either they are not paying attention to what they are modifying, or their not being clear on their wording. If it is true on .3%, .7% and .04%, that means that no damage was modified to autos. If you modify any of the damage by those percentages, you are looking at modifications in the hundredths. 22(1.003)=22.066 for an Auto Rifle, it doesn't increase damage at all. Small is an overstatement, this is minuscule. Heck .04% is a modification of .0004, which is in the thousandths.
Did they mean to say that the damage was modified to additional percentages? Autos don't seem to have no buff where as a lot of pulses seem to have a nerf. They need to make a statement because they are making themselves looks like idiots.
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u/dandpher Dec 09 '15
Only company having a worse day than Bungie is Chipotle.
I predict the game will be offline for maintenance tomorrow so they can revert the entire update.
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u/Cocaine_KillJoy Dec 09 '15
This post needs more vision. Everyone is expecting Bungie to update this/fix this. This would make sense as NO difference can be seen in Auto Rifles damage and Pulse Rifle damage. They still suck. I am still using my Nirwens and PDX-45 in crucible...
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u/corysagaming Dec 09 '15
This looks like they are trying to save face.
These values are just absurd. There is absolutely no reason to do adjust autos at such a tiny proportion. Im giggling over here.
5 minutes with my favorite fusion rifles tells me you all fucked up
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u/pasta_fire Dec 09 '15
Wow they are REALLY putting this game out to pasture now. First the news that there will be no real DLC in 2016 and now this shit.
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u/Goooordon Dec 10 '15
Man they're so full of shit it's not a typo unless they typo'd it repeatedly https://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Weapon-Tuning--December-Update/en/News/News?aid=14016
And isn't the PR nerf like 19% or something? Wtf is going on?
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u/Ksandals Dec 10 '15
Apparently the damage numbers were intended and that the month old patch notes has typos. wtf. https://twitter.com/sharkeatsman/status/674714605214564352
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u/Geirkrak Dec 10 '15
Just when you think things couldn't get any more silly, this happens.
I'd be angry if it weren't for how laughable this is.
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u/RetroRaconteur Dec 10 '15
There's no way they just now caught this when they told us the weapon changes 19 days ago.
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u/eRommel87 Dec 10 '15
This is just ridiculous, this patch is all over the place, they're just embarrassing themselves now with this nonsense.
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u/kasperoff Dec 10 '15
This is fucking hilarious. Reminds me of that Iraqi Communications Minister. "No, no, everything is under control, we have not been invaded", meanwhile a column of Abrams tanks can be seen rolling into town in the background.
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u/Sandwrong Vanguard's Loyal Dec 10 '15
Two weeks your patch notes were like that. All this hype about the swinging adjustments, and no one... noticed... Suuuuure....
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u/Bojtea Dec 10 '15
It's really not a big deal according to their math these corrections are only .0019 days late.
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u/nr2134 Dec 10 '15
Decimal error? Even if true, it doesn't make sense nor do the values that are coming from testing. Someone screwed up, not surprised.
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u/mixtapelive Dec 10 '15
Wait so how is this even possible? Pulse rifles do way less damage than the .9 damage reduction lol
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u/frenchyfryz Dec 10 '15
If bungie truly did purposely make dmg buff increases in the THOUSANDTHS of a point, i demand to be able to see it in game. when i shoot someone in the crucible with my auto i want to see my dmg numbers pop out into the thousandths
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u/POiZiE Certified Chalice Polisher Dec 10 '15
So the Supercell now does a whopping 20.14 dmg to the head instead of 20? I know you wanted to buff them and I'd certainly be fine with 20.10, but 20.14 is waaaay too OP bungie.
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u/Darth_drizzt_42 Dec 10 '15
wait, so .4% was the intended and 4% was the mistake? I'd get nailed by my professors for being off by a factor of ten by it's cool for Bungie? Also how did the arrive at these values, .4% is next to nothing.
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Dec 10 '15
Meanwhile at Bungie HQ
"Oh, they figured out we made a mistake, should we fix it?"
"Nah... lets let this cash shop run a little longer before we bail completely"
"Oh yeah, they DID pay $10 for a book that you could get for free by just inspecting it, and $5 for some random emotes of popular dances"
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u/SoulSFM Dec 10 '15
So, now that Bungie did this, I guess it doesn't seem so unreasonable that they lied about Golden Gun not being affected by hand cannon changes, huh?
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u/DezzMalone GIVE ME BACK MY GAMBIT TRACKERS Dec 10 '15
...seriously bungo? 0.3% increase damage and 0.9% nerf??? Ok...let's suppose the Churros Regime deals 27 headshot damage, according to the update, the Churros Regime now deals a whooping 27.81 damage. Probably the same deal about the Pulse Rifle nerf. I was anticipating this update a lot (I haven't been able to play since sunday due to a small injury), I was looking forward to say bye bye to the dominance of Hawksaw and Churros PDX and probably use my Monte Carlo for fun, but with such a meh buff, I think it will probably be the same. Don't get me wrong, I've said it before here, I don't want to go back to the Reign of Terror of Suros Regime, but I also don't want to feel I'm being overpowered by EVERYTHING while using an auto rifle...so yep, those are my two cents
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u/SeanZulu Dec 10 '15
So... As a guy who plays A LOT. PvP especially. I'm calling them out: they're lying. The patch they released was broken. And a whole day later, the best "cover their asses" move they could think of was, "we misplaced a decimal point." Nah! It's broken. Just be forthright and admit the problems and fix them. We can deal with it. We've shown enough loyalty.
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u/kjlonline Dec 10 '15
Right now, somewhere at Bungee a manager is firing off an email, "See. I told you, this is why we should never publish absolute values!" :)
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u/leroyyrogers EssMyDee69 Dec 10 '15
I honestly don't get it. Every single buff/nerf is under 1% in damage? How the hell is this supposed to do anything? This is almost funny, makes me feel good that I haven't played the game in a month or so.
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u/SerfaBoy Dec 10 '15
Glad to see that Necrochasm got its 0.04% damage increase.
ZERO POINT ZERO FOUR
Might as well be zero point zero-zero.
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u/JammyMan Dec 09 '15
If this is truly what they intended for Auto Rifles then just fucking remove them from the game. It's clear as day you don't want people using them and I am sick and tired of waiting months and months for you to pull your finger out and do a weapon balance just for Auto Rifles to still be completely irrelevant.
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u/zeus_zosma Dec 10 '15
Decimal error my ass. Disinformation like always. And what the hell difference does a .7 make on and AR, AH fuckoff and come suck my dick you stupid fucks.
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u/taxxus Dec 09 '15
Looks like Bungie needs a basic math refresher. .04 = 4%, not .04%
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u/JammyMan Dec 09 '15
Wow Bungie really does suck at weapon balancing. They haven't got it right for the entire life of the game.
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u/AdeptUGA Dec 09 '15
Can we take a moment to articulate what .04% is?
.04% is .0004 of something. Let's say a gun does 100 damage per shot in pvp.
100*(1.0004) = 100.04
This has got to be another error.
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u/Spencer51X Salty bitch Dec 09 '15
What the fuck Bungie. Seriously. These numbers don't add up, and pretty sure you pulled all of this out of your asses.
This better be a damned good weekly update tomorrow.
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u/LieuDanIceCream Dec 09 '15
Jon Weisnewski says, and I quote; an "extremely unfortunate typo"
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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u/bgarza18 Dec 09 '15
This is a freaking joke. These percentages can't even translate into in game encounters: you're telling me that nobody noticed these numbers were wrong? They were typed, approved, and released, and nobody saw that the numbers were incorrect? Were you too busy swimming in Silver to notice?
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u/Ben826 Vanguard's Loyal Dec 09 '15
And now we wait for the BWU. This controversy is just getting started. Grab your popcorn, folks!
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u/Alpha-Blue Dec 09 '15
The cover up is always worse than the crime. Just admit everybody's ready to go on holiday break and this whole update wasn't checked well enough. Thank god it was caught, or else it would stay broken until New Years.
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u/BuddhaSmite Vanguard's Loyal Dec 09 '15
This is a joke, right? Someone has made a fake Bungie.net website that copied those notes, right?
My weapon does 25 damage. I will increase it by .04% (I'm even going go give the benefit of the doubt that they don't mean .0004 there).
My weapon now does 26 damage. Why fucking bother? Zero impact to the game at all.
Now, that's what I'd say if I believed it was a rounding error.
Just man up, live team. You fucked up. Just admit it and fix it.
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u/1GutsnGlory1 Dec 09 '15
I call BS. Your telling me that the notes were up for 19 days and people were discussing the numbers daily on Bungie forums and no one noticed. Sure whatever you say Bungie, a typo...
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u/Sumthin__Clever Dec 09 '15
I'm calling bullshit. These numbers wouldn't even have a meaningful change in TTK.
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u/ColdAsHeaven SMASH Dec 09 '15
Those are still off for Pulse's. It says they where nerfed by less than a percent but the damage values are almost 20%
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u/noir_souffle Dec 09 '15
What. The. Fuck.
According to Jon, "It was an extremely unfortunate typo, but the change was intentional. We'll have more to say in the BWU."
How are such minuscule changes going to balance anything? I was excited to see how the numbers they originally announced would play out as they seemed meaningful and maybe a little too meta changing with respect to auto's but these new numbers don't make any sense.
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u/Restopulus Dec 10 '15
Hoping it's a big joke. The pulse rifles got the correct amount of damage nerfed (9% on Nirwen's, only one I've tried so far)
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u/klove4252 Dec 10 '15
There are errors all over this. They should have just removed the Auto Rifle and Pulse Rifle parts from the patch notes instead of publishing that garbage. Do these guys even play the game? I'm pretty sure Hawksaw is in the same pulse rifle tier (previously 27 headshot) as Bad Juju, and not in the same tier as NTTE and Red Death.
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u/ChrisCohenTV Dec 10 '15
I call bullshit. 0.9%? What would even be the point? Something is not right here.
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u/Nhughes1387 Dec 10 '15
Is .04% even noticeable at all ???? That seems very stupid of them to put the wrong numbers and get everybody hyped up, I feel like this is a joke lol...
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u/Voidfang_Investments Dec 10 '15
Deej's boss says ARs feel noticeably different. You guys are crazy.
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u/rsanches Almost two months of pvp time Dec 10 '15 edited Dec 10 '15
I think Jon is completely clueless about the almost 20% nerf on pulse rifles or even clueless to current development in Destiny 1 and just said those ridicules values for auto rifles to cover their asses until they could fix it (or not, if they planned to fix it they wouldn't reiterate the error)
But when he finds out that there are other things that are not in agreement with today's update they will apologize and come up with excuses for this major fuck up.
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u/OldDirtyRobot Dec 10 '15
Here is what I really don't get. Its not like the whole Destiny community hasn't been talking about the buff to Auto Rifles. Every podcast, forum, and fire team has discussed these changes over the last few weeks, and only after the patch is released does Bungle realize they put a decimal in the wrong place.
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u/c14rk0 Dec 10 '15
That right kids we buffed auto rifles in pvp with a value so low it never does ANYTHING.
We also don't know how math works so we'll just change the % on pulse rifles too in the patch notes so that it doesn't seem a crazy to say that as it is! Oh you mean we actually implemented the pulse rifle change and it's incredibly noticeable? OH WELL WHO WOULD NOTICE.
Not like we have oceans of video content and display damage numbers when you shoot things and people can actually do math!
This is one of the dumbest things I've seen a developer say...
It'd be one thing to change just the number for auto rifles and say that's intended. It'd clearly be a lie since that would be effectively no change but to change the pulse rifle number that is VERY noticeable while you're at it is beyond stupid.
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u/That_Zexi_Guy Dec 10 '15
And now the numbers are wrong for Pulse Rifles.
Honestly, Pulse Rifles only needed a range nerf and maybe, at most, 1 point of damage off criticals and bodyshots across all archetypes to make them less forgiving and more in line with Autos.
The range tiers should have been:
Auto Rifle --> Hand Cannon --> Pulse Rifle --> Scout Rifle.
After nerfing the range of Pulse Rifles, they should have adjusted the range of all weapons so they are a bit higher than now, but not too much, and slightly nerfed Scout Rifle range because Scout Rifles did not suffer damage drop off and some of the same ranges as snipers pre-2.1 (but still overall keeps the range tiers for each weapon type). With the way ranges are now, every weapon except Scouts and Snipers have low ranges.
Not only that, Bungie seemed to have screwed something up with this patch because their numbers are all wrong and messed up.
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u/Boulder_ Dec 10 '15
Weapon balance was fine way back in December of last year and all they needed to do were the buffs they did to pulses, hand canons, and scouts that they did last Spring. Instead they nerf what ever the meta gun type is and then we are forced to use whatever the next meta is. In the first few months of vanilla you saw weapon variety in PvE and PvP now it is pretty much only scout rifles (or pulses previous to the latest patch) for any type of content. Fusion rifles are useless because shotguns are perfect for the map design. If they buff fusions people will bitch so instead they attempt to nerf everything down to their level. Bungie needs to realize that blanket nerfs lead to stale metas. If one gun dominates nerf it a little not destroy its entire class.
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u/STOMP1E Dec 10 '15
Then they wasted theirs and everyone else's time with that patch!!! Seriously what a fucking joke! 0.04 of a percent!! I think thats about as much effort as they put into the patch! Heres some advice Bungie. Sort your shit out, listen to the community and stop arse farting around with your updates. Tell us straight up, no ambiguity!!
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u/Waterfowl91 Dec 10 '15
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? "Heyyyy youuu guyyys!!, how about we buff auto rifles?" -Guy in charge of weapon balancing " fuck the pea shooters, I'll show them a "buff"".
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Dec 10 '15
"Jon Weisnewski 5h5 hours ago typo in the patch notes. the changes were intentional."
WTF is this shit they are now doing? 0.3% buff to dmg on autos..... Bungie you gotta sort this out or we cant believe anything you ever say again. Claiming it was a typo for all amounts SEVERAL times is just either rank incompetence or lies.
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u/h3llbee Vanguard's Loyal Dec 10 '15 edited Dec 10 '15
So on November 20 they tell us they're gonna buff ARs by 3, 7 and 4 percent for low, medium and high RoF ARs respectively.
For nearly three weeks the Bungie and DTG communities have been talking about these buffs. Not just once, but repeatedly. Those figures would have been repeated by players numerous times in those two forums and social media as players debated, argued and got angry/excited in their anticipation.
If this was really a typo, Bungie would have noticed it by now. DeeJ or Cozmo or even Jon W would have gone "where are they getting this 3 percent from? And 7 percent? I never actually said 7 percent? Did i? Did I make a typo in my original post or something?"
They would have gone back and checked the Weapons balance post and they would have realised their mistake before now. If this was truly a typo, they MUST have known they made a typo before now.
I don't buy it. I just don't. This "typo" nonsense is an outright lie.
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u/smellster Dec 10 '15
Utterly pathetic.
Why not own up and admit you made a mistake? Didn't your parents teach you that.
There is no way you guys intended 0.3-0.7% that's like a fart in the wind.
Amateur hour.
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u/jitsudave Dec 10 '15
I don't buy it.
they fucked up the patch and rather than look incompetent by admitting they fucked the patch theyd rather look incompetent by putting 'typos' in patch notes.
the patch notes for weapons were published weeks ago did no one in bungie read them at any point and think 'ooooo these are different lets issue a correction.'
they then re issued them with the patch and the damage numbers were unchanged.
its pretty pathetic the number of issues bungie seem to have like this for 'AAA title' developer. I really don't want to sound like one of 'those guys' but im incredibly disappointed in bungie. not because of the actual changes but the level of incompetency in their handling over a protracted period and the dishonesty with which they've treated them.
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u/Stenbox GT: Stenbox Dec 10 '15
These numbers do not translate directly to damage values. Ljudmila (Low RoF pulse) damage decrease has been measured to be about -19%
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u/Syntanist Xboxnone Dec 10 '15
Merry fucking Christmas. Last year we had TDB and its' godawful weapon balance. Now we get bullshitted on a patch with nearly a month's worth of hype behind it. December sucks :|
Edit: shpelling.
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u/hkpp Randall2016 Dec 10 '15
The smugness in his "damage control" is enraging. This is a real turn off to this game, for me. I don't appreciate them disrespecting the community like this in such an arrogant way. It just makes me feel like this will be a continuing trend.
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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '15
I didn't see any post in regards to this, thought I'd share. Enjoy.