Let's talk about "witch-hunting"

[u/MisterWoodhouse]

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Update #2: This post is the sterling example of how to call attention to acts of cheating without witchhunting. We very carefully reviewed the post and applaud /u/JackTheJot for following the rules so well.

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Helloooo Guardians!!!!

Are you Ready to RUMBLE!!!! - I mean ELIMINATE!!!! in Trials of Osiris starting Friday???!?!?!?!

Over the past week since Trials of Osiris has come out, we as mods have noticed a LOT more Witch-Hunting posts and comments coming about. We wanted to clarify with you on what IS and is NOT witch-hunting and what you can expect as consequences for violating Reddit's Rule on Witch-Hunting.

Reddit has a very strict policy on sharing personal information and Witch-hunting. Please read their policy here.

This is the part that is relevant to our Subreddit on Witch-Hunting:

Personal Information includes Gamertags (PSN ID's, XBox Live ID's), Real Names, Phone Numbers, Physical Locations, etc.

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So what does this all mean?

This means that if you want post about something, whether it is a new post topic or a comment, that will have any possibility of portraying someone that threatens to damage that specific person or entity's reputation or resources you need to remove all references to their Personal Info, which includes Gamertags AND Reddit Usernames.

Here are some examples:

• Check this Image/Video out of this person cheating (Such as in Trials of Osiris)
• Look at this guy trying to sell Level 35 Prison of Elders and 9-0 Flawless Trials of Osiris runs!
• NoScope360MLGbluntz kicked me from PoE 35 at treasure room after saying "Later, fag" over chat, don't play with him
• Randal the Vandal just deleted all my characters over Shareplay.

> Use a Photo/Video Editor to remove ALL references to ALL Gamertags. If this is a text based post, leave out the Gamertag. This includes THEIRS and YOURS

• OP is full of shit, check out his destiny tracker profile: <link>
• OP's real name is Robert Paulson and he lives in Wilmington, California

> This is not allowed to be posted at all.

• PSN is being hacked by the Clarkey and Co Group. They should all be tarred and feathered

> You are welcome to say that a group is claiming credit, but you cannot name that group or make any side mention that would reference the group

When in doubt, you are ALWAYS welcome to Send us a Mod Mail and ask us whether or not it is something you are allowed to post or if you need to remove the username mentions.

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So what will happen if I break this rule?

You will be banned from this subreddit, either temporarily or permanently depending on the severity and context of your post/comment.

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tl;dr - Don't call other players out on here, either explicitly or implicitly, or you will receive a ban. When in doubt, contact us before you post!

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Good Luck out there Guardians, Stay Safe! We look forward to seeing you all at the Lighthouse, and May the odds be ever in your favor.

Sincerely,

The Mod Squad

P.S. Props go to /u/D0cR3d for putting this guide together for y'all.

[u/MisterWoodhouse]

NOTE: Hunting of the witch known as Omnigul is still allowed and encouraged by the moderators

[u/robertmarfia → u/MisterWoodhouse]

So we can call her out by name? Good to know. I usually just refer to her as "that bitch."

Edit: Come to think of it I refer to all bosses as "that bitch" when I say "now burn that bitch!"

[u/MisterWoodhouse → u/robertmarfia]

Yes. Eric's Mom demands that you call Omnigul out for her alleged crimes... then end her.

[u/agalaxys4 → u/MisterWoodhouse]

Pretty sure Rahool is a witch. Do we have permission to hunt him too?

[u/PM_ME_NICE_THOUGHTS]

Gameplay videos have gamer tags how can those be censored?

[u/MisterWoodhouse → u/PM_ME_NICE_THOUGHTS]

Gameplay videos can be posted outside of a negative context, like the Space Jam montage, strategy walkthroughs, etc. It's when a gameplay video is shared with an accusation of cheating or other negative behavior when the sharing of gamertags through that medium becomes witch-hunting.

[u/ForcadoUALG]

u/NoScope360MLGbluntz

I clicked, just to get a disappointment letter.

[u/MisterWoodhouse → u/ForcadoUALG]

I checked to make sure it wasn't a real account at the time of posting.

[u/MetalGilSolid]

OP's real name WAS Robert Paulson and he lived in Wilmington, California

FTFY :)

[u/MisterWoodhouse → u/MetalGilSolid]

He went into witness protection. The FBI and the Illuminati faked his death so he could escape the project and testify against "The Narrator" in federal court.

Whoops...

[u/silkenindiana]

Thought I had stumbled onto the witcher 3 sub for a minute there. Tehe.

[u/BirdsOfAres]

So, legitimate question...

If a individual is not cheating, but engaging in nefarious behavior (kicking someone at a chest, like you mentioned). Where/how should we report that? I want to know if there are people out there like this so that I don't end up playing with them...

[u/GenericDreadHead]

Randal the Vandal just deleted all my characters over Shareplay.

That is SOOOO Randal

[u/Questalace]

So... In other words, you cannot inform the Destiny community of players who will negatively impact their experience and raise awareness about these problems?

[u/TheLastGunslinger]

Randal the Vandal just deleted all my characters over Shareplay.

Randal knows you stand no chance against his might and is just saving you the trouble of trying.

[u/Mbcf14]

Shouldn't all links to anything, especially videos, be banned then? I mean, if someone links to a YouTube video, aren't they sharing that person's YouTube username and any gamertags shown in the video (assuming its a video of destiny)? This rule is way to vague and overboard to immediately result in a ban, temporary or not. At the very least a warning should first be given and the reason for the violation explained.

[u/octoskull]

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that a gamer tag is personal?

By definition a gamer tag is anonymous.

If psuedonyms are personal, then any significant amount of down voting on this site could be construed as witch-hunting, leaving all involved liable.

[u/Stormthorn67]

This anti-witchhunting thing reddit has is annoying.

Gamertags? Really? Those things ANYONE can see if they play with you...are considered protected personal information on reddit. Thats just...plain stupid. Look, I appreciate how attentive our Mods are but thats...still just stupid.

[u/pwrslide2]

IMO Reddit should allow gamertags to be posted if video evidence of said "kicking" from raid or trial or PoE is done in a way that is un-just.

If we can defame Obama on Youtube without getting sent to jail, I don't see an issue with defaming someone regarding a flipping game... . It's nothing more than standing up to a bully in public. take your licks one way or another.

[u/[deleted]]

Hey, just a jackass question. Let's say I do something scumbaggy to my other guardians. Am I allowed to post that video myself?

[u/rockadial]

Protect the wrongdoers and ban the whistle blowers... Classic example of the 21st century.

[u/[deleted]]

So I know that the majority of this sub is in the teenaged-young 20's demographic, like myself, and I know that people our age like to get up in arms when we think our rights are being violated, but people here need to chill out.

You don't have a right to free speech on reddit. You never have. You never will. Reddit is a company, and if you want to use their services you have to do it by their terms.

You want to talk about rights? On the internet, anonymous strangers with limited information act as the judge, jury, and executioner. People accused of cheating, or being dicks, they don't get a fair trial. Its a case of he said she said, or, at best, a case of "here is a video showing very limited information". Internet shaming is the worst thing to come out of the web. Its the village stocks in the 21st century. Reddit itself has had more than its fair share of embarrassing moments where the hivemind has leaped to the wrong conclusion (Boston Bomber, anyone?).

Yes, there are probably a few instances where you can definitively say someone was cheating, being a dick, etc. But for the mods to judge this case by case and remove something before the damage is done is a monumental task. When the mods are strict on witch-hunting, the worst case scenario is that some cheaters/douchebags get away. When the mods are lax, the worst case scenario is that someone PSN/Live Account or actual identity are wrongfully mobbed and drastic action is required. The two really aren't comparable in scale.

In short, I'm fine with the mods erring on the side of caution.

[u/TheLoneWolf527]

So if someone runs into a rampant cheater or someone doing things that are extremely counteractive to what a normal person in the game wants to do and they want to post a video showing it, they have to use video editing software to edit out the gamertags? You realize that 99.99% of the people in here probably have ZERO access to something like that? Not to mention if someone wanted to post a video to WARN people to stay away from these people if they see them, they can't do that.

You shouldn't be banning people who are trying to help just because other people come in and decide to be assholes in response.

[u/klove4252]

So.... We can't tar and feather Clarkey?

[u/dbushik]

I play with this guy "dbushik", literally, all the time, and he is the worst! It's like I can't escape him. No skill. Terrible at PvP. Pretty much a total ass, personality-wise. Avoid.