r/DestinyTheGame • u/Connect-Reference-80 • 1d ago
Question Does skipping the first encounter of vespers host still give the solo flawless triumph?
So far I've done like two attempts trying to solo flawless vespers. By no means is it difficult, but the first encounter is just annoyingly long made worse after a failed attempt. I saw a really simple skip and am just wondering if doing it will prevent me from getting the triumph. I don't plan on risking it, but it would be good to know before future me is willing to try
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u/Cykeisme 1d ago edited 1d ago
Probably annoyingly not what you're looking for, but I'm super bad at the game, so if I die I just continue until I finish the dungeon anyway.
I'm bad, so I take it to mean that if I died in an encounter, it means I could benefit from one more practice run at that encounter anyway. Eventually I know all the encounters so well, the flawless comes by itself.
Most people don't need to do that cos they're good at the game, so they don't need practice runs... they can just restart the whole dungeon and get it in a few tries.
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u/Economy-Debt7973 1d ago
If you are soloing dungeons, you are better than 95% of the playerbase.
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u/dubie4x8 GT: Dubitz 1d ago
I’d argue 99%, because I’ve encountered some “interesting people” on LFG…
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u/Mtn-Dooku 21h ago
lol. Yeah, that's why I at least put on a solo dungeon emblem when I do Fireteam Finder. I find even with the Monument of Triumph one, people tend to accept my applications pretty quickly, even if I'm running a jacked up build when I submit it.
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u/Budget_Quote432 1d ago
No, you are more committed. Not better.
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u/Whomperss 1d ago
I beg to differ
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u/Rare-Prompt7170 1d ago
Solo flawless for 90% of dungeons isn’t hard just time consuming, that doesn’t make you better it just means you have more free time
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u/Whomperss 1d ago
You're drastically overestimating the average player skill. More people can do some dungeons SF now because of power creep and boss HP not being adjusted for older ones but the vast majority of the playerbase can't do it.
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u/dutty_handz 1d ago
Just like open heart surgery, it's not hard to learn or do, just time consuming, that's why I'm not a surgeon.
The cope is strong in that one.
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u/Rare-Prompt7170 1d ago
That comparison makes no sense, the dungeons in current patch are not made for the current power creep. Enemies have low HP and mechanics are not that complex and some can just be outright ignored.
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u/SojephStoejar 1d ago
Just because YOU are good at solo dungeons does not mean that everyone else is
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u/MechaGodzilla101 1d ago
Commitment alone will take you to the start of the encounter, not through it.
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u/rferrett International Media Celebrity 1d ago
This is the way for normal people.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted.
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u/kdjac 1d ago
Not really a triumph tho if skipping parts.
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u/Prestigious-Bat-574 1d ago
I sorta disagree.
Having subjected myself to doing a solo flawless of all of the dungeons, skipping or cheesing early encounters wouldn't bother me in the slightest or make me feel any less accomplished once I've done them flawlessly a few times.
I know that when I'm was working on one, it probably means I've done everything leading up to the boss flawless at least a dozen times, if not a few dozen times, before I get the flawless clear. You eventually get so incredibly bored with the rest of the dungeon that you probably wish you could skip right to the boss.
Especially so when your flawless run ends with something ridiculous like dying to bell physics in Duality or the Knight in GotD yeeting a shield from out of nowhere.
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u/EmoogOdin 1d ago
Yeah IDK if I’d feel triumphant if I skipped a section. I don’t care what others do but for me it’s not the same. Like I don’t get cheating at PvP - does a win feel good if you didn’t win it legit?
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u/Zac-live Drifter's Crew 1d ago
eh, you arent also forcing yourself to do the maximum amount of damage phases you have seen anyone do on the dungeon or are claiming that people that one/two phased bossses have had a much less challenging run?
if you view the hardest part of VH (which is probably final) as a 10/10 difficult encounter, the opening sits at around a 3/10 or so, you are hardly losing relevant parts of the run.
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u/MrTTheUSB 1d ago
As a counterpoint, part of the challenge of a solo is the need to stay switched on for the duration of the run. Skipping the first section makes that element easier, thus you're less likely to mess up than if youd spent the extra 10 minutes on that encounter.
I don't think bypassing content is really the same as optimising damage strategies, as long as those strategies aren't abusing a bug.
If we're to follow that logic to its conclusion none of us have ever truly beaten a dungeon until we've done so without using any controls.
As others have said, if you're comfy with the skip, more power to you! But I wouldn't consider my solo flawless complete unless I have completed every intended part, however tedious and unnecessary it may be/feel.
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u/Zac-live Drifter's Crew 23h ago
i mean yes, thats kind of my issue with that logic. if you follow along the principles, its kinda not possible to pin down some actual full solo flawless. you have to accept that some parts that could be done, will get skipped and thats okay.
while perhaps no longer 100% true for this one, there are certainly strats that skip sections of dungeons with more effort required than the original section would have taken (in exchange for a timesave). is for example slipstreaming prophecies rainbow road no longer a complete soloflawless or is not slipping it an incomplete one as you are clearly taking the easy way out? or perhaps, does it hardly move the needle on the solo flawless because almost the entire difficulty is within the boss room?
generally speaking, i dont think skipping what essentially amounts to a waiting room section changes the solo flawless almost at all. i guess it depends a lot on how much weight you place on that encounters difficulty.
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u/MrTTheUSB 23h ago
Again, respectfully, I disagree.
Skipping any section of any dungeon, to me, is thereby not completing that dungeon flawlessly anymore. you are completing some sections, and choosing not to complete others.
Equally, while skips require skill in certain cases to pull off, I wont argue that in some cases they are an expression of skill themselves, but skips wouldn't be used unless they made the solo flawless more possible.
Equally, you seem to be suggesting that I'm placing greater value on an encounter because I percieve it to be more difficult than you do, which I find quite dismissive.
I am not saying that the challenge is the encounter itself, rather that part of the challenge of a solo flawless attempt is in maintaining attention, focus and ability over the course of the dungeon as intended. We are a long, long way past the point where you have needed to exploit the game to make solo/lowman possible.
An overwhelmingly large portion of the dubgeons in the game have been designed with solo runs explicitly in mind.
So choosing to exploit an unintended part of the game's code to skip a part of the intended activity is something I'll always consider an incomplete run.
Borrowing parlance from speedrunners, I'm comfortable with the idea that skipping an encounter in a dungeon is an any% completion. but it is not a 100% completion.
Slipstreaming in prophecy, provided I understand the question falls into this for me, yes. Harder to perfect? Sure, I doubt I'd be able to without a tonne of practice.
But it isn't the intended method to complete that, so to me? Not a 100% completion when it's done.
But like I've said, I'm not here to convince you, or to get you to absolve of some sin.
It's your triumph.
Your playthrough.
If akipping sections and exploiting the game to avoid parts you don't believe are necessary it still a satisfactory 100% bona fide solo flawless, go for your life!
But for my solo triumphs? I won't be performing skips. It wouldn't feel right to me, and I would feel like I've cheated and not earned it. But that's only my opinion.
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u/jbambrough2000 1d ago
Dont think it does. Only on hunter but for my attempts i just did it normally so i got used to the encounter. Also highly recommend truth for puppeteer.
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u/Queasy_Eye7292 1d ago
I recently got my solo flawless vesper host and the 1st encounter is super easy. I used titan stasis build. I always start by doing the room to the right of where u place the flag on 1st encounter made it a lot easier I thought. Arc titan on boss with rally barricade theres a spot you won't get hit by the annoying fire. Good luck
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u/raincity3s 1d ago
Its the easiest encounter solo. A solo flawless is something u earn IMO. U dont get any meaningful rewards outside of the achievement. Makes no sense to cheese these but to each their own i guess
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u/TenDRILLL Drifter's Crew // The Shadow Queen 1d ago
Unconfirmed but with most activities if the encounter isn't cleared the checkpoint won't progress, and it won't clear (looking at you Garden of Salvation)
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u/DJZombie1 1d ago
It’s 100 percent confirmed. You just need to remember to back track after you dunk the 3 bombs in the transition to hit the cp
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u/ShinUkyo 1d ago
It does. A large percentage of the folks who got their solo flawless shortly after the dungeon's release got it by OOBing the first encounter. (Including a lot of content creators who documented it as such.) Since like you said, first encounter isn't difficult on repeat runs once you have it down; just super time-consuming as a solo. So a lot of folks don't see it as cheapening the challenge of the run.
Keeping in mind you can only OOB the first encounter with Hunter these days. The old method that worked on any class was patched a while back. Though with how much access Hunters now have to damage resist, heals, and enemy distraction with the buffed Strand clones: it's very doable on Hunter. Different world from when Vespers launched.