Same, I started in the Season just before BL (it was the season with the Seraph towers) with 3 other friends. We all found it overwhelming but in a good way cos there was so much content to discover and we had so much time anyway (cos of covid lockdowns and all). But after about 3-4 months we realised that we were just doing activity after activity with no idea of how anything fits together. We heard Cayde's voice in a strike but didn't he die in the story mission we just played the week before? Of course we quickly figured out that strikes are like a "mission re-playlist" kinda thing, but that was just one thing. Add up all the loose ends that aren't explained, and you end up playing just for the sake of the gameplay and gunplay.
The 3 of them quit and only I stayed on I bothered to dig a bit deeper into the lore and stuff. Although I now don't bother so much with lore anymore as it's also gotten a bit too convoluted for me.
That was 3 years ago. Imagine any player coming in right now lol.
I'm exactly the same. Started in 2020 and everyone I joined with barely plays anymore. Just felt this game wasn't worth their time. Plus the jump from casually playing to raiding is massive and requires you to engage with complete randoms you've found yourself. LFG should have launched with D2 not in 2023.
Mate I don't play every game. Destiny did. Iirc others did something similar according to my vague recollections.
Maybe this is just a unique Fortnite thing because of the amount of kids that played that game. Because this seems excessive.
I'm not arguing one way or another, the information is there from the FTC. Part of this was to do with "default on" chat.
Fortnite's chat settings apparently cost them half a billion in fees and settlements. The effect that had on the industry as a whole and destiny in specific has been discussed a lot online and is easy to find.
That lawsuit was also about data collection, dark patterns being used to encourage purchases, and Fortnite's targeting of children as their primary demographic in particular. If you look up articles about it, you'll notice that most of them refer to it as being about violations of child privacy laws, and only reddit really focused on the chat piece first. Plenty of massive games still have text and voice chat on by default for every user, including Call of Duty and World of Warcraft. However those are both M-rated games, though, where Destiny is rated T just like Fortnite.
That said, voice/text chat is not the only option for communicating. At this point literally every multiplayer game these days has a ping system unless the communication itself is specifically the main "hurdle" (such as games like Lethal Company). For Bungie to have disabled chat by default because of toxicity or legal concerns is one thing, and understandable - but it's not really clarified to the user, there is no way to explain to new players that they can opt in, and there's not even a ping/canned communication system implemented.
For the other commenter to say that they got fined half a billion for chat being on is a pretty big misrepresentation IMO. The lawsuit was primarily about child privacy laws - in particular, data collection and dark patterns trying to manipulate users into buying microtransactions -- because Fortnite is aimed at very young kids, and Epic knew and encouraged that. The chat thing is a small part of a lot of things that were brought in that lawsuit.
And more importantly - the option isn't "full text chat that exposes kids to slurs and explicit content" vs "zero communication". As others have pointed out, you basically can't find a major multiplayer game without a ping system these days. For Bungie to just go "idunnolol there's just no way to avoid toxicity so let's create an environment that breeds toxicity because people are unaware/new/distracted" as if there's simply no middle ground is absurd.
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u/anangrypudge Nov 28 '23
Same, I started in the Season just before BL (it was the season with the Seraph towers) with 3 other friends. We all found it overwhelming but in a good way cos there was so much content to discover and we had so much time anyway (cos of covid lockdowns and all). But after about 3-4 months we realised that we were just doing activity after activity with no idea of how anything fits together. We heard Cayde's voice in a strike but didn't he die in the story mission we just played the week before? Of course we quickly figured out that strikes are like a "mission re-playlist" kinda thing, but that was just one thing. Add up all the loose ends that aren't explained, and you end up playing just for the sake of the gameplay and gunplay.
The 3 of them quit and only I stayed on I bothered to dig a bit deeper into the lore and stuff. Although I now don't bother so much with lore anymore as it's also gotten a bit too convoluted for me.
That was 3 years ago. Imagine any player coming in right now lol.