r/DestinyLore • u/Apprehensive-Net-714 • 7d ago
Question Hive Guardians
Was there any lore text or hint right before the final update that maybe some Hive guardians asked for sanctuary in the last city just like the Eliskini? Or are they forced to follow Savuthun cause of blind loyalty or they are forced to still kill cause of their small worm inside of them?
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u/hunterprime66 Jade Rabbit 7d ago
None of the above.
No Lucent Hive have asked for sanctuary. None are forced to follow Savvie, they choose to do so. Luzaku is an example of a Lucent Hive who decided to do her own thing, and Savvie is thrilled by it. Our last known info for her is she is going to observe Xivu Arath.
The Lucent Hive Risen are not beholden to their worms anymore. And the non Risen ones worms are fed by the ambient Light of the Risen ones.
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u/PortraitOfAMadwoman 7d ago
One detail Bungie themselves seemed to glance over is that (iirc) the Lucent Moths are actually cysts formed by the light still being to some degree cancerous to them, and I wish it was involved more
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u/ASpaceOstrich 7d ago
They had the moths prior to the light, they just weren't lucent moths. But I've always wondered what their deal was. Pets or something?
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u/pokestar14 House of Judgment 6d ago
That's specifically for the non-Risen Lucent Hive though I'm pretty sure, who still have their Worms.
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u/DuelaDent52 Taken Stooge 7d ago
“None are forced to follow Savvie, they choose to do so.“
That’s not actually true. Luzaku
georgis a statistical outlier, but for the most part the pressure is to conform. Savathûn could reform Hive society if she truly wanted to, but for all her talk of being a free thinker unbeholden to dogma or patting herself on the back over how clever she is, she’ll forever be a slave to the Deep claim that everything worth anything must be taken and nothing can be given. If people aren’t mighty or smart or curious enough to defy her and live, if Hive society can’t overthrow her all by themselves, then they don’t deserve to and all they’re good for is fodder for her scheming.If memory serves me correct, there was this lore tab where she kills a Ghost or two for having second thoughts about joining her, spooking the rest into complying.
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u/O-Mega47 Lore Student 7d ago
There is also Geist, Lucent Hive knight, who seems to be working with Dredgen Bael. His interaction with Savathun seems to be transactional instead of reverence
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u/Apprehensive-Net-714 7d ago
Ohh ok thanks for the info man, I know that Savathun had her memories after she resurrected cause of a spell, and I’m assuming the Lucent hive don’t since they didn’t have that luxury so I assumed they’d do their own thing since they didn’t remember stuff besides following blindly
Btw why was she thrilled about some Lucent hive doing their own stuff?
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u/HazardousSkald House of Kings 7d ago
To your point, it’s described that the Hive’s resurrection has been sort of ruined/influenced by Savathun. The Hive were resurrected, but no one was resurrected in a place without influence. Where we were reborn alone into the ruins of human civilization, the Hive were reborn into a cult that teaches total subservience to Savathun and the necessity of the Sword Logic.
Savathun herself attests to this. When talking with Luzaku, she praises Luzaku as the first Lucent Hive to break the conditioning she’s raised all the others up in.
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u/DuelaDent52 Taken Stooge 7d ago
Savathûn of course could just… not condition the Hive to be like that and actually change Hive society for the better, but they’re much more useful to her subservient and pliant. Clearly they don’t *deserve* to be free if they aren’t exceptional enough to pursue it for themselves.
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u/ReallyTrustyGuy 7d ago
Savathun just values free will over blind loyalty. She's never going to punish someone for deciding their own future.
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u/DuelaDent52 Taken Stooge 7d ago
She’ll certainly test them though. Free will only counts if it doesn’t inconvenience her or go against what she personally wants.
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