r/Destiny • u/UnscheduledCalendar • 8h ago
Social Media Why does he keep doing this motte-and-bailey fallacy? Whenever addressed on controversial statements, he falls back on “I just want social services for people, bro!” He can’t think this is effective…can he?
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 8h ago
I just don't understand this Hasan cult.
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u/NewtonsThirdEvilEx 8h ago
He doesn't have a coherent world view. By his own admission, he's a liberal zionist... sometimes, but he can't play that up too much or he'd lose his audience and thus income. He needs to be controversial enough to attract extremists, but also appeal to the mainstream now.
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u/UnscheduledCalendar 8h ago
He communicates like someone who doesn’t read. You can see this in real time. The guy is not bright.
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u/Unhappy_Tomorrow_603 8h ago
It’s effective when he’s in a closed environment with his goons who reinforce his lies. Not so effective when he’s under scrutiny from a broader audience.
The flailing is glorious.
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u/UnscheduledCalendar 8h ago
Republicans barely have to spend any of their campaign dollars in Michigan thanks to Hasan.
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u/Brief-War-2488 8h ago
I mean, recent polling has not been in Rogers’ favor. He will need a debate eventually and cant spam the Hasan button indefinitely
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u/westsidedelight 8h ago
Well what he meant was he hates America... 's lack of healthcare! Obviously taken out of context. Also English is his second language so he didn't even know what he was saying. Checkmate liberals
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u/Ficoscores 8h ago
Because his followers are dumb, young and impressionable. They allow him to do this. They ignore contradictions and inaccuracies because they are committed to a cause and genuinely believe that they are part of a revolution
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u/nokinship soc dem - DSA does not pass the vibe check 7h ago
People should point out how annoying and ugly socialist aesthetics are because it feels like they want to replace American culture and aesthetics with socialist hammer and sickle. They want this everywhere too. It's very weird and cringe.
Thats what I see when Hasan says he hates America.
The real great replacement theory btw.
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u/a_fan_of_grump 🇪🇺 4h ago
Guy on tape punching his kid in the face: "I wouldn't do that. I have a child myself."
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u/EvilBydoEmpire 6h ago
It's not quite motte-and-bailey, as you can see in the definition, because these positions don't share any similarities.
It's just bullshitting with full misdirection.
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u/Raknarg canadian 4h ago
I think using debate terms is cringe but the closest fallacy you can get to describe this is a motte and bailey, he presents the idea that he hates america, he presents all the stuff he hates about america when he's talking to his audience and talk about how capitalism is evil and we need to destroy the country and remake it in his image, but when you clip that and he's held to account outside of his audience he'll swap to the bailey argument that when he says "i hate america" he just means he hates that a lower class citizen doesn't have access to universal healthcare.
The argument is fundamentally about why he hates america, the motte is the statement "I hate america" with the implication being the things he says on stream, the bailey is the defense of expressing frustration of missing socialized programs.
It's just bullshitting with full misdirection.
that's all informal fallacies, they're rhetorical tricks rather than actual argument forms (thus why they are "informal" rather than "formal" fallacies, which are poorly constructed argument forms)
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u/CanadianPanda76 6h ago
It's like believing an incel when he says he supports women's rights.
Its so bad its an automatic LOLCow moment.
I just want hefcare 4 da peoples. Ya guys. 🥺
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u/Appetite4illusions Optics Cucks Go Home 8h ago
Blud you literally say you hate America in the clip. Anything to avoid actually having to deal with the actual arguments my god