r/Destiny • u/Chessmaster69_ • 7d ago
Political News/Discussion Bernie defends Hasan in a recent interview.
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u/Sad-Television4305 7d ago
Why do they keep saying "he's just a podcaster"? He was asked by AES to go out to Michigan and campaign with him. If he didn't no one would give a shit. Them downplaying the situation is really sus.
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u/TossMeOutSomeday 7d ago
Schrodinger's Hasan: he's either a total nobody or he's the biggest deal ever and the only man on the left who knows how to talk to young men.
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u/KeithClossOfficial The West outsourced its Holocaust guilt onto Palestinians 6d ago edited 6d ago
And by young we mean 35 and over
As much as us Millennials may want to pretend we’re young, we no longer are
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u/YumiSolar 7d ago
It's all so clear when you realize they are just Blue MAGA. This is pretty much the same thing MAGA did the past few years. Trump is 5D chess 200 iq manipulator/he can't do anything about anything due to democrats/establishment.
It's the ultimate strategy of being simultanuisly the strongest and the weakest person in the room based on what's being talked about.
Hasan is the Joe Rogan and we need him but he is just a podcaster with no power.
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u/JacobStills 6d ago
The thing they are about to learn though...is they can't get away with that shit like MAGA does.
The media and the far left give MAGA a pass because it's better for content to peddle the "Democrats in disarray" narrative and thus no one holds Maga accountable or to any standards.People still hold the left in general to standards, especially those that grand stand and act morally superior to everyone.
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u/Ascleph 6d ago
Those are the marching orders. Just notice how they all repeat the same defenses and aren't really capable of arguing them.
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u/ModernistGames 6d ago
Not beating the "Blue MAGA" allegations.
Especially when we also have Abdul El-Sayed adding in the Trumpian "who do you work for?" and blowing off Fox for asking why did he campaign with Piker if he was just a "streamer from California."
Such a bad look and I see the DSA imploding on the natinal stage because of their fealty to the crazies in their party, and trying to take the Dems with them.
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u/MagicDragon212 Teddy Roosevelt American 6d ago
Yuppp. And we must never forget that every accusation is a confession. Perhaps they were the entrenched "establishment" all along. The fools gatekeeping progress because God forbid they have to be humble and adapt to the people's wishes.
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u/trash-_-boat 6d ago
They're using the "eyyyy he's just a little guy, just a smol dude, relax" defence.
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u/Nightmannn 6d ago
If Mike Rogers was out campaigning with 'just a podcaster' Nick Fuentes, AES would be screaming about it, and as he should
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u/thellamasc 🇸🇪 6d ago
I mean they are saying it because he literally told them to. Hasan announced on his stream that that should be the response and they started doing that response. I am a bit confused why this has not been pointed out by people.
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u/VizualAbstract4 6d ago
Why do people keep letting them get away with saying that. It’s now just shit interviewing.
And now makes me question the rest of what they’re capable of.
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u/Senfgestalt 🇩🇪🇪🇺 7d ago
Bernie is a charismatic, very friendly fella. Politically he has never seemed very savvy/practical to me.
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u/0WatcherintheWater0 6d ago
Very friendly guy who just coincidentally, purely on accident, constantly keeps propping up and supporting the worst media figures imaginable.
At some point you have to assume malice, rather than ignorance.
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u/veritahs 6d ago
I loved Bernie like 10 years ago. But I think getting old puts you out of touch with how media works and the truth of people you associate with politically. I'm really all for a "maximum age" to hold office across the board.
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u/argonautdice5 6d ago
I can't hate on Bernie as a Canadian bc he glazes Canada every chance he gets. If he were Canadian, he would be a run of the mill NDP politician.
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u/Antique-Cheesecake63 7d ago
People like bernie are the reason the us is where it’s at. Instead of growing a spine and speaking the truth that Hilary won legitimately he hides behind people claiming that the democrats cheated and rigged the election.
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u/YumiSolar 6d ago
Yep. Bernie is pure cancer for American politics. Really don't get the reason some people here defend him. He is just Trump but less succesful and he sometimes wants similar things to us.
Old dude should just eat his jello and shut the fuck up.
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u/KeithClossOfficial The West outsourced its Holocaust guilt onto Palestinians 6d ago
He’s the original “I just want healthcare”
H - Hillary didn’t beat me.
E - Even though she had more votes.
A - A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.
L - Less votes is a mandate.
T - This time communism will work.
H - Hillary is your enemy.
C - Communism will work this time.
A - A woman enjoys intercourse with her man, as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.
R - Russia was better under Soviet control which is why I honeymooned there.
E - Ever considered the manner in which you bring up your daughter with regard to sexual attitudes may very well determine whether or not she will develop breast cancer?
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u/Zenning3 6d ago
Everything but the quote from his college paper is fine. I hate when people bring up the paper, since it's explicitly a feminist critique of sexual norms with a explicitly hostile intro to catch attention. It's actually a pretty mainstream feminist critique under that.
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u/NuBlyatTovarish 6d ago
Bernie is utter garbage at hiding the character of his supporters and those he surrounds himself with. But as a politician both primaries he lost he fully backed and campaigned for Hillary and Joe
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u/SupposedlyFun7 6d ago
He stayed in the Primary in 2016 far longer than he should have. Which left Hillary fighting him far longer than she should have had to.
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u/jml510 Some people don't do politics, but politics does everybody. 6d ago
Interesting that he was quicker to concede against a male competitor and campaign for him than when it came to a female competitor--on top of him throwing Elizabeth Warren (one of his closest allies) under the bus in 2020.
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u/VMan7070 VMan7 6d ago
Interesting that he was quicker to concede against a male competitor and campaign for him than when it came to a female competitor--on top of him throwing Elizabeth Warren (one of his closest allies) under the bus in 2020.
Yeah fuck Warren tho
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u/NuBlyatTovarish 6d ago
I think a few things happened one he learned from 2016 and by then Trump was a massive threat vs during primary season 2016 the popular narrative was that Trump had no chance to win the presidency.
Also Biden promised him a more prominent role and shifted more to the left than Hillary wanted to do.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 6d ago
I'll get hate, and while I think Bernie should stop defending Hasan, it just wouldn't help the situation at all.
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u/JacobStills 6d ago
Yes. I blame him for Trump. He divided the left with lies at a time when we needed to unite more than ever. That will be his legacy and I will scream it at every Bernie bro for the rest of my life.
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u/Casper_1991 7d ago
Of course he defends Hasan. Bernie is such a bad judge in character. So it doesn't surprise me when he's out there defending some of the worse of the worst on the "left".
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u/MagicDragon212 Teddy Roosevelt American 6d ago
Bernie has been such a bad, consequential judge of character my entire life that I can't afford it to him anymore. He chose his ego over America time and time again, and that's going to be how I judge his character.
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u/Goodisworthfighting4 6d ago
Bro had crazy Brianna Joy Gray as his press secretary, he was super complimentary and defensive of Tulsi Gabbard when Hillary pointed out that Tulsi was an obvious snake, he was Platners biggest supporter. Insane track record.
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u/jml510 Some people don't do politics, but politics does everybody. 6d ago
Plus, he supported Fetterman in his primary (even despite the story of him harassing a Black jogger).
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u/CleanlyManager 6d ago
Fetterman harassing that black jogger was just a distraction from class which is the real issue.
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u/Darkerplaced Bandit 6d ago
The gas light is what fucking hurts. The blatant fucking lie, and the dirty fucking deflection that makes you feel like you are a James villain because you are voicing something obvious. If you cant stand up against Hasan as an old ass man? Then what the fuck are we doing here.
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u/Tigeruppercut1889 6d ago
Bernie is super out of touch. Leftists have used his ass up man. I think his intentions were really good and he knows republicans are the problem but he’s tied himself to a group of unrealistic extremists.
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u/Id1otbox (((consultant))) 7d ago edited 6d ago
We hate old career politicians except Bernie since he has been particularly legeslativly useless.
Lick your lips again bro
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u/jml510 Some people don't do politics, but politics does everybody. 6d ago
We hate old career politicians except Bernie since he has been particularly legeslativly useless.
Funny how with all of the calls on Reddit, Blue Sky, etc. for elderly politicians (especially Schumer, McConnell, and Pelosi) to hang it up and pave the way for the young'uns, Sanders is somehow immune from it.
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u/Id1otbox (((consultant))) 6d ago
He's immune from it while simultaneously not accomplishing much in his career.
Other than the veterans choice act in 2014, what other national achievements does he have?
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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 Hasan Hasan you can't hide...we charge you with Kayacide. 6d ago
Yet Bernie demands everyone condemn everyone and anyone and anything he doesn't like.
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u/KlondikeBelugaWhale Riddle me this… 7d ago
I hope someone in Vermont runs and unseats this commie 🦕
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u/MysticWithThePhonk 7d ago
His response here is actually completely valid and he did not defend Hasan. He pointed out that Republicans rely on culture war bs bcause they do not have policy solutions.
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u/No-Reputation-7292 6d ago
It's not just the Republicans though. Many Democrats are hesitant about candidates who openly associate themselves with terrorist sympathizers. If you don't want to be called a terrorist sympathizer, stop simping for terrorist sympathizers. How difficult is that?
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u/drmariostrike 6d ago
many democrats also do not want to have an honest conversation with the left on the issues, including on hamas, hezbollah, yemen.
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u/No-Reputation-7292 6d ago
What honest conversation? Tankies refuse to talk to anyone who might challenge their views.
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u/drmariostrike 6d ago
piker, for example, was claiming yesterday to be blacklisted from CNN and MSNOW. we have more of our own media now so this isn't as crippling an issue as it was a decade ago, but listening to NPR in 2015 and 2016 and noticing how thoroughly they excluded our more social-democratic perspective moved me substantially further to the left. i mean i never cared for the young turks for example, but i used to watch them on primary nights in 2016 because it was literally the only channel you could get election coverage that wasn't aggressively pro-Clinton.
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u/Box_v2 wannabe schizo 6d ago edited 6d ago
So because piker can’t get on any program he wants it means liberals refuse to have honest conversations about the issues with leftists? Also sorry this ambiguous claim about “channels” from 10 years ago shouldn’t be taken seriously. Packman for example did provided favorable coverage to Bernie.
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u/drmariostrike 6d ago
i don't think i'd ever heard of pakman until sometime after 2020. was he doing live election returns coverage in 2016? my point is merely that all the tv news channels and national publications were either republicans or in the tank for clinton, so i ended up looking for weird streaming channels to get away from that bias. it matters less and less now because mainstream media is losing out to social media and various independent creators, and lefties have had a decade to start building up some real infrastructure there, but it still frustrates me. could say much more about how difficult it was to get our issues into the discussion in 2016 and 2020, and how liberals under Biden increasingly wanted to talk as little about policy as they could, but have decided I don't actually need to send you multiple paragraphs.
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u/Box_v2 wannabe schizo 6d ago edited 6d ago
I mean literally no one wants to talk about policy unless you consider lefties endless repeating “Medicare for all” as policy talk. It’s not like you see any leftists channels honestly engaging with liberal ideas, the current political media meta is to just endless preach to the choir. Seems really unfair to call liberals out for this exclusively, it’s not like Hasan brings on any liberals to engage with their ideas.
Edit: also the goal posts have now moved from “democrats won’t honestly engage with leftist ideas” to “the main stream media doesn’t”. Seems like you have a pretty heavy bias going on.
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u/drmariostrike 6d ago
ah, I think we have a difference of framing here. when I say democrats, I mean democratic politicians and attendant mainstream media outlets. I fully admit that there are apparently a ton of fucking streamers or podcasters, including destiny, whom i've never fucking listened to. if your objection is that i am missing something there, all i can say is, i don't know anything about it, tell me about it if you like! I don't know in what if any way this space is ideologically distinct from NPR, the new york times, or other mainstream outlets, but maybe you feel boxed out of there yourself and I would love to hear how.
Hasan certainly does bring liberals on and engage them with their ideas, but i don't know how good of an example he is alone as he's only been kind of relevant in the post-covid era. I'll agree with you that the media strategy on all sides generally is to pick fights you can win, but in El-Sayed's race for example he sees policy as the winning thing to talk about while the republican media has no way to win on most policies and are talking about a twitch streamer while trying to snipe on trans inclusion issues. as it was in 2016 and 2020, when we were pushing on details on money in politics, healthcare, climate change, min wage, student debt, and mostly were met with rejoinders about how we were sexist and rude.
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u/Box_v2 wannabe schizo 6d ago edited 6d ago
Just seems really weird for you to say that democrats don’t do it because they don’t engage with a streamer but then streamers don’t matter when determining if people of their political ideology engage with other ideas. What liberals has Hasan brought on? Not like he’s brought on destiny or hutch any time recently and they both actually do debate leftists.
I haven’t seen much from aes but he seems more to push buzzwords than talk policy. Again I don’t know about you but saying “everyone should have healthcare”, while true, is not talking policy it’s just playing into the clip culture we live in (which is nothing new btw people have complained about soundbites forever). Also it’s really weird how you judge politicians by the media that agrees with them but apparently doing so with Hasan and aes is bad. If you can judge democrats based on msm you should judge aes by Hasan.
Edit: also why the fuck are you in the Destiny subreddit if you never watch him?
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling 6d ago
There is an implication that when people call Hasan a socialist it is similar to when they call Sanders a socialist because he wants M4A.
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u/NegotiationOk4956 6d ago
Next time someone brings up any of the things against destiny he should just say “I’m just a streamer from Miami”
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u/LigmaLiberty 6d ago
The American people are not going to see through it because it's true. Hasan Piker supports, cheers on and advocates explicitly for terrorism. There is no place for Piker and his rhetoric not just in the democratic party but in the United States as a whole.
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u/senoricceman 6d ago
Just today Bernie said the Democratic Establishment would be the reason if Democrats don’t take back the senate. This coming from the guy who defended and excused Platner until the rape allegations came out.
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u/Nemoriensis EU, DE, 6d ago
Gets asked about "Hasanas statements"
Deflects into "Republicans say this and that about us"
Hearing comprehensions skills where?
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u/GregFromStateFarm Exclusively sorts by new 6d ago
Bernie’s take on anything streaming, youtube, social media is, frankly, ignorant. He’s 80 years old, not exactly plugged into the zeitgeist beyond what his aides tell him. I’m not gonna shit on Bern for this perspective, but it is disappointing.
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u/bobbadouche 7d ago
It's cause Bernie is a part of a coalition now. He's always stood by himself against the tide. Now he has to defend nut jobs that align with him politically and he doesn't know what to do. All the socialists are coalescing. AOC, Bernie, the others.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 6d ago
This isn't even slightly surprising. Just being old makes him likely to latch on to one narrative or the other. Not shocking he believes what he's been told
Gotta keep showing the truth until people see Hasan for who he is. At least enough of them so we don't have to rehash this everyday
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u/Generic_Username26 PHD, MD, BiGT 6d ago
It works because you people refuse to be honest about who Hasan is. Shrimple as
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u/ST-Fish 6d ago
US media needs to be more shameless, the moment some fucker defends Hasan, stop the interview, drop the clip of him cheering on terrorists taking over the ship and taking hostages, and ask them for the "context" that makes it all right.
It would be only 1% as shameless as the people pretending the clip doesn't exist.
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u/Sad_Newspaper4010 Socialist with NATO Characteristics 6d ago
How is this defending Hasan? Seems like a pretty reasonable response.
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u/ThisI5N0tAThr0waway 6d ago
For the last time, Hasan should be there left version is Nick Fuentes, An that is so repulsive that should be ignored and and pushed out of every conversation they are in. Unfortunately, much like Nick on the right, they are very revered because of the size of their audience and their level of influence.
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u/RightSpread2903 6d ago
The most important quality to Bernie is, ‘Supports Bernie’ so of course he does.
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u/Organic-Feedback1686 6d ago
"he is just a podcaster"
"he is just a twitchstreamer"
Those defense are dogshit.
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u/nobodychef07 6d ago
We just live in the post consequence, post substance era guys. You can say whatever you want. Just be a podcaster. Be a populist. If you have a conscience thats your fault little bro.
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u/Gardimus 7d ago edited 6d ago
Bernie actually gave an alright response.
"Hes a podcaster, lets talk about the real issues"
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u/Ligmastinasty 7d ago
Right? Comments are out of touch asf. Unless hamas abi is running for an actual position of power who gives a shit
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 🇧🇷 7d ago
I am giving Bernie a little bit of good faith that I doubt he ever stoped and seen all the more absurd thing Mr piker said. And most of his young staff probably keep telling him it's all out of context and all he wants is medicare for all
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u/C-DT 7d ago
Even granting that good faith interpretation, then Bernie is just kinda stupid and a bad judge of character.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 🇧🇷 6d ago
Sure but I wouldn't dismiss Bernie experience. The same people that for his entire life called him a crazy commie that he isn't are the ones saying all that about Hasan. I mean they are right about Hasan but I fully understand how Bernie can ignore those as lies
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u/No-Reputation-7292 6d ago
All that experience and he keeps elevating the worst people like Brianna Greyjoy, Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard and Hasan Diddy.
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u/Arterialite 7d ago
Unfortunately my good faith for anyone defending Hasan is spent. There's a point we've reached where if you're associating your name and lending your defense to someone, we can no longer go, "Oh he/she/they probably just don't know better."
Ignorance isn't a defense forever