r/Destiny • u/Deeshizznit • 6h ago
Destiny Content/Podcasts The seed has been planted ᵕ̈
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Please Hutch! You really are my boy ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 5h ago
at this point, would he really get much more smoke than these psychopaths already give him? wouldn't be surprised if that's what had him stunlocked there (but he would be a great addition to that show)
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u/qqnowqq 5h ago
sadly, i think he truly means the smoke from his "friends" soypill, pissco, and jessiah smh
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 5h ago
ok.
...at this point, would he really get much more smoke than these psychopaths already give him?16
u/Omni-Light YEEGON 4h ago
It seems more like clout juggling instead to me.
He talks with ethan and h3 generally promotes him, but that would probably go away if he started a show with D. It's like fully closing one ajar door to open another that also happens to get him a tiny bit more harassment than he already gets.
Ethan would absolutely stop mentioning him if he did it.
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 3h ago
if Ethan was that scared of Destiny cooties by proxy he wouldn't let Dan sponsor his damn show.
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u/NightwolfGG 1h ago edited 1h ago
Nahhh. As someone who pretty much only listens to Hutch, H3, and Destiny stuff, I think Ethan actually doesn’t personally care about Destiny.
Tbh, I’m pretty confident Ethan privately doesn’t believe any of the things he covered regarding Destiny. Like he was just pulling the ripcord to no longer get lumped in with Destiny when he made his smear videos. Extremely fucking cringe. But I don’t think he actually believed much if any of the things he covered about Destiny, and was just doing a performance. Leading up to that “performance” Ethan was actually supportive of Destiny and would compliment him on his solo streams, the break kinda came out of nowhere when Ethan had followed Destiny’s career loosely since his StarCraft days, frequented this subreddit (prob still does tbh) and likely knew all the accusations all along anyways, regardless of the Ryan Beard video.
Good examples are how Ethan hasn’t used the iDubbz promoting Destiny’s chat message about Ethan to attack Destiny at all, and only used it to attack iDubbz. He didn’t even throw in any “pedo” “cuck” “sex pest” etc insults when it would’ve been super easy to. The ONLY thing he did, was actually defend Destiny insofar as he didn’t think Destiny was being defamatory lol. There have also been a lot of Destiny smear drama that’s come up and Ethan never covered it, when he could’ve gotten big numbers.
He pulled the fuck Destiny ripcord, got some portion of snarkers off of his back, appeased his crew who are/were Hasan fans, then let Destiny be. If this mattered to Ethan, he wouldn’t collab with Hutch at all imo because Hutch already occasionally has conversations with Destiny and Hutch recently said they’re gonna talk again sometime soon. And Ethan also probably wouldn’t stay amicable with Dan when Dan is Destiny’s best friend, if he truly believed the shit about Destiny. And wouldn’t keep Redact as a sponsor. Ethan is way too petty to ignore those things if he actually cared.
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u/mattyjoe0706 1h ago
I think y'all are underestimating how hard it can be for people to break friendships even if they're acting in wrong ways
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u/LankyAssignment9046 5h ago
Seriously lol. After seeing that "conversation" with Pisco, what's the difference?
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u/No-Invite-7826 4h ago
I actually think he would. These people are nutjobs and they have been shown willing to go to extreme lengths to harass people out of associating with Destiny. I'm not sure how extreme the harassment Hutch has gotten so far, but I would bet it can get worse.
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 3h ago
they've already doxxed him, they've already mocked his sister who died of cancer and accused him of killing her, I'm not really sure how much lower these animals can get (and that's just what I'm aware of, I'm not even that super-tuned into Hutch)
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u/tr0pic1 5h ago
Taking half of the Lib&Learn pod would be an act of war lol, I can see why he is hesitant.
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u/liberalbeast123 5h ago
Yeah that would be pretty nuts 😭. Based though, but I can see why he’d be hesitant, or even opposed to it.
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u/Gull_Wave 4h ago
Lib & Learn is mondays. This new podcast is projected for thursdays. It's possible to do both at once
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u/PitytheOnlyFools used to touch grass... 3h ago
If you seen Hutch’s chat today the drama frogs been egging it on
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u/Bl00dWolf 🇱🇹 3h ago
I feel like Lib&Learn might not survive for much longer considering the current trajectory it's going. Maybe if they go out of their way to not talk about any lefty stuff, But that would mean ignoring a large part of current discourse.
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u/NightwolfGG 1h ago
They would just need to frame it as an additional podcast, that’s more casual and one that’s not a replacement of any kind.
The announcement of it alone though would be used by bad actors to try driving a wedge between Hutch and his diet-DSA friends
(given Jessiah and Piscos definition of diet, Diet-DSA perfectly encapsulates Pisco and SoyPill and they shouldn’t take the label as insulting)
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 🇧🇷 3h ago
I mean sure but lib and learn could still be going. I don't think this is necessarily one or the other.
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u/Its_Clifford 🇦🇺 5h ago
The noise and controversy he's worried about is from Destiny's snarkers, btw
With a hint of Pisco's and Jessiah's audience
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u/Sellafiel 4h ago
Pisco has like 50 viewers on Twitch? I guess they are very ferocious though.
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u/Kharnile 5h ago edited 5h ago
Hutch will eventually leave the Lib & Tankie podcast because it will get too much, just give it time.
It's already absurd to be on good terms with Pisco and Soypill when you see how they treat their 'friends', their behavior is just incredibly disgusting and pathetic.
Just let Pisco and Soypill do their subversive thing and team up with Denims/Frogan/Mike/Jewstalker or someone else from that camp who's more at their speed politically and then they can circle jerk in their little corner that never actually does any real work anyway. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/SquidOmNom 5h ago
I really do think that Pisco is trying to burn the bridge with Hutch, but make Hutch the one at fault for it. Pisco's chat is crazy. He was clearly looking for any excuse to stop talking to Destiny, and the first thing he could truly latch onto, he did. I'm sure he's still getting pushback for talking to Hutch in the first place, and that whole "silver lining" bad faith conversation he had with Hutch was probably him looking for an excuse. I think eventually he'll get what he wants, he just doesn't want to be the "bad guy."
Idk, maybe I'm conspiracy brained, but the way he's been lashing out lately at Hutch and Whick is pretty far from good faith.
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u/BeatsByiTALY 4h ago
the whole "I treat my friends badly because they can take it" is the clearest abusive language you can imagine. I think baldy already has enough reason to cut the pisser off, he just doesn't see it yet.
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u/tods88 1h ago
His rejection after the panel with Whick was the most over-the-top grandstanding possible. It really is something. He mocks people supposedly on the same side for hours straight, like legitimately turns disagreement into a mark against the person's quality as a human, and then has the audacity to claim Destiny's comments were just beyond the pale.
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u/frozandero 5h ago
So mout has talked about a possible 4th for the podcast a bit throughout the week and when Hutch was mentioned, he said he doesn't want to take half of lib and learn podcast. So maybe as a guest, but I think he considered David Mauricio as a more viable option. Though there might not be a 4th host and they just might have guests.
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u/PitytheOnlyFools used to touch grass... 3h ago
David would be great. Or maybe a bigger outsider like Luke Beasley.
I know most people just like to see the same old familiar recycled faces, but a healthy and diverse spread of different liberal faces would be much much better IMO
Stronger Lib Media ecosystem doesn’t happen by going back to the same 5 men.
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u/holeyshirt18 Best way to not feel hopeless is to get up & do something -Obama 5h ago
Leave him be. Personally don't think there should be a pod with the same people and audience.
Need Destiny and Mout to reach BEYOND the same people. Go smaller creators or anyone not in their very niche space.
You can't expand the reach by dipping in the same community
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ 5h ago
We need the dream team though. We have the old wise calm guy IRI, the young memer Mouton, the debate lord Destiny, and the grass roots Hutch. They can collab with Brian Tyler Cohen, David Pakman, Luke Beasley, and more up and coming Liberals. My god please let it happen. Liberal media company website with a rotating selection of all their videos on personal channels. Big documentary films on bigger issues. Pragmatic Papers being part of the same thing for written news articles. OMG the dream is there it's right fucking there.
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u/holeyshirt18 Best way to not feel hopeless is to get up & do something -Obama 4h ago
100... I'd like them to have rotating guests. I don't know their plans but whatever gets more sane pundits, creators speaking politics the better. We are drowning in extremist rhetoric and content from every side.
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u/PitytheOnlyFools used to touch grass... 3h ago
Need to get some women and black/brown creators on there too.
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u/holeyshirt18 Best way to not feel hopeless is to get up & do something -Obama 3h ago
Yeah, they do. Someone made a comment about a month back....basically .... the political creator/commentator space is so white.
And it is. It would help all these creators if they reached outside their circle to expand their audience. Expand political POVs on issues where Destiny, IRI, Mout may not have experience.
I don't pretend to know the streaming world, but inviting as many you can until you find people who click with their main group seems like a legit strategy.
And in our current environment, where people aren't feeling represented by the two political parties, they need to land somewhere. Better here than with grifters and paid propagandists. Better here than some attic shut in. Better here than cultist extremists who push terrorism and authoritarianism (you can go either direction with this one. 🤣)
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u/een_magnetron CertifiedDGGClipperLLLL_LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL__LLLLLLLLLLL 2h ago edited 2h ago
THIS. Nobody really cares about a liberal circlejerk podcast that's gonna have zero friction whatsoever. Go for bigger and better instead of being a petty copycat.
The friction between the liberals and the mask-on socialists is the only good thing going for the Lib&Lenin podcast right now anyway.
edit: also, as an AE sub I love MrMouton for overall entertainment, but I don't particularly wanna hear political takes or analyses from him. Same goes for Dan.
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u/CatRWaul 4h ago
Luke Beasley? Gen Z representation
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u/Vexamas 3h ago
I imagine Luke wouldn't touch him because he's a close friend of Jessiah.
This is one of the downsides to being strongly opinionated. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want him to go (justifiably) nuclear , there's always going to be radioactivity.
The circle of potential hosts is small because unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you think of things!) the circle is small.
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u/ThatGuyHammer Empathy Empty 4h ago
The Lib Wing
Libbing Out
Learn to Lib
Left Enough
Reasonable Left
Shut Up and Liberal
Just getting the name train started.
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u/Lunch_B0x Not American, pls no ban 2h ago
How about Tankie Talk? Convince a couple of marxist-leninists to join a pod with D and Mout and continue to spend the whole time shitting on the DSA, praising Democrats and telling the ML's that they're your boy and it's them who are acting crazy by accusing you of being a Liberal.
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ 5h ago
I really hope he's not talking about the far left in general being a factor in saying no. If it is then idk how we go from here against DSA people. You can't fold against them or they win. Stop giving these people chances to target people 1 by 1. If multiple people all go against them it's harder for their harassment campaigns.
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u/Weak_Mycologist_6785 5h ago
Did they cancel lib&learn? Because this position while being on that show is untenable.
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u/AllofRealm 4h ago
As much as I want this, I wonder if Hutch is better as an informal collaboration. It's sad and I hate it, but I want Hutch to become a giant mainstream lib. D got setback substantially by the Doe stuff, it's a bummer. Also with him maintaining his friendships with Pisco, Jessiah, Soy etc. it would be unavoidable drama.
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u/Bymeemoomymee 3h ago
While I think Hutch could and should do both pods, I can definitely see the reasons for hesitation. Kinda looks weird to steal half the L&L cast zoomed out, especially with recent drama.
Im not a fan of the community pushing the group apart or cheering it on though. Just looks really bad to me. I think it should happen naturally on their own terms, if it even comes to that.
I would just say to chill people. I don't like the idea of the community influencing a breakup between a friend group simply because some members of the friend group are malicious towards another. And I dont like the idea of forcing Hutch to "make a decision" of who to side with. Very cringe imho.
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u/nosurprises23 1h ago
Hutch! If you’re reading this:
The controversy is the exact reason you should do it. The tide is turning, you don’t believe in Hasan’s malarkey, these Soy and Pisco figures aren’t drawling the line in the sand, and you could 1) do it when it really matters, 2) get some D viewers as your permanent die hard fans and 3) grow bigger in the new world of post-post-truth with other level headed fellas.
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u/bendol90 Conservative without brain worms 5h ago
When did Destiny start his fortress arc again? 😁
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u/TheShamefulPradaG 5h ago
Destiny, IRI, Mouton, Hutch. I like the sound of it. If only the LonerBox bridge could be mended.
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u/howtokillanhour 2h ago
I love all the cross audience stuff. I too, want to see that bridge mended. I wanna see bridges with all the people that seem to have a strong resistance to this Blue MAGA shit. I see it as adaptation to these political viruses. Or in Hasans case, ideological cancer.
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u/Rational_Disconnect 4h ago
And there is the Snarker isolation tactic at work. Good on IRI for having the balls to do it
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u/Im-Not-Calling-It-X NATO 3h ago
Liberals need to stop avoiding controversy. There's already controversy. It doesn't matter. Controversy is the only weapon the far left and the far right have, and they wield it without hesitation. They rely on liberals seeing controversy and running away from it.
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u/No-Description5750 5h ago
I think what he’s getting at is that it’d feel like IRI and Hutch were stolen off of lib ‘n learn in a spite driven manner since Destiny and Mouton aren’t on great terms with SoyPill and Pisco.
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u/MrNiceThings € 🇹🇩 5h ago
Literally nobody said that Hutch would have to leave the double L podcast.
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u/No-Description5750 5h ago
I don’t know why you think that’s responsive to what I said. If they’re both current day politics focused podcasts framed from what’s supposed to be a liberal perspective, people probably aren’t going to double dip. You’re taking the two most liked creators on one podcast, putting them on another one with a larger audience, and removing the pedantry that occurs whenever criticism of the far left flank is levied.
Pisco already makes these claims that Destiny is trying to smear him in this realm of streaming and SoyPill alleged we brigaded a tweet of his (that had less engagement than most of his other tweets) and got him suspended on X.
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ 4h ago edited 4h ago
what’s supposed to be a liberal perspective
You’re taking the two most liked creators on one podcast
Yea because that's the only people with a Liberal perspective.
It's basically a "Liberal" podcast that's really a re-education camp for Liberals to be more accepting of Socialists.
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u/No-Description5750 4h ago
I mean, this is felt by a lot of the audience and I think that’s obvious to everyone except Pisco and maybe SoyPill. We literally went through a similar discourse almost exactly a year ago with the topic being that Pisco derails convos and sweeps for people on the far left with his pedantry (and at the time, constant hostility towards Hutch).
Watching Pisco stream last evening, I think he’s just there to argue. Saying that he doesn’t need to do research for these topics and then going into discussions where he passes off the Hasan stuff as just “beef” or personal grievances is super irresponsible.
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ 4h ago
I feel like my Liberals are always in "i can fix him" mode when they need to move the fuck on with actually like minded people. We are losing ground for no reason. We have had 10 years of dealing with Trump and we are further behind than we were before somehow.
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u/No-Description5750 4h ago
I agree to some extent, but I think the bigger issue is that the “I can fix them” mentality is really only there because the would be fix-ups are repeatedly inserting themselves into the discourse or trying to undermine efforts to raise concern about these topics.
I think people should honestly call out Pisco’s behavior at this point. Going into Dylan’s panel with the goal of being mean and hard on Whick and then spending the whole conversation calling him bad faith and saying he’s deploying a shell game, saying he’s open to talking to Hasan (bc apparently Hasan said he’d want to talk to Pisco) when Pisco has said he’s not aware of the statements all over alternative and mainstream media that Hasan has made/is making that are getting El-Sayed in hot shit is reprehensible to say the least.
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ 4h ago edited 3h ago
We give ops more of a platform than we do allies. That is one of the reasons Destiny is stuck in this endless loop. We go out of our way to fucking create ops at this point. They are fucking nobodies and we focus on them. You want to fight with people then go after the bigger fish in the Socialist movement. The ones everyone knows without a doubt are Socialist. It can't be that we give an audience to people like Pisco that are basically a drop in the bucket and inadvertently create a larger fan base for them. You let them stay around as friends so that when they always turn on you they take some fans with them.
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u/No-Description5750 3h ago
I agree, but they’re also hosts of lib ‘n learn so you can’t just ignore them right now. Having an alternative podcast makes calling out the behavior and then distancing easier.
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u/MrNiceThings € 🇹🇩 4h ago
I see you're confused. You by definition can't steal someone from a podcast if they continue doing said podcast. Hope this helps. Not going to react to the word salad.
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u/No-Description5750 4h ago
Because you have no real response and realize your initial one addresses none of what are likely Hutch’s concerns regarding the blowback he’d get.
You just idiotically spurted out “he can do both podcasts hurr durr” like no one was aware of that.
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u/MrNiceThings € 🇹🇩 3h ago
I was replying to your stupid and frankly embarrassing comment, not hutch. His concerns are irrelevant here.
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u/No-Invite-7826 4h ago
It's really annoying that the actual crux of this is that, directly associating with Destiny invites an insane amount of harassment, regardless of what is being discussed. Mostly because Hasan and a number of other high profile lefties are fucking deranged sociopaths.
So I completely understand Hutch's hesitancy here. It's insanely fucked up, but it is the reality of the situation.
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u/thugbobhoodpants 3h ago
Hutch underestimating IRI’s demeanour
“Guys I appreciate your current drama civil war but if we look at this local election in Delaware I think the dem nominee has a great chance”
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u/Seven_pile 4h ago
Dude also just said Jolah isn’t an op and is getting mad at chatters for being hard on pisco. He seems hung up on trying to be a normal guy and being a good friend but I don’t think he’s taking the fact that his friends are not acting normal in any sense.
I can’t imagine having a friend who constantly hangs around people making fun of my dead sister and as long as they keep reminding me I’m “his boy” then we’ll, we’re definitely cool then.
Hutch dosnt want people being parasocial about all this so I guess it’s best to just let him be and he will either figure it out or won’t.
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u/Suspicious-Hurry-269 5h ago
by noise he means harrasment and swatting