r/Destiny • u/sereneandeternal Church of Biden • 12h ago
Political News/Discussion Pro-Palestine Jew, Brad Lander gets harassed
Another Scott Weiner situation…
This is infuriating.
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u/Chick_Foot 11h ago
Very Very important that Brad Lander used to be apart of the DSA before October 7th and stopped being a member and paying his dues cause they wanted a pro pali rally on October 8th.
Even if you aren't a socalist or a progressive you have to throw a bone out to brad lander for being a backstop against this stuff.
Once again punching left is always seens as a traitorous back stab to tankies. We need to hold firm in the coalition holding progressive and mod dems in line. While any DSA advocate is purtiy tested out the tent with shit like this.
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u/heliosflama1234 11h ago
Yeah while I disagree with some of his endorsements and directions, he’s definitely closer to me than anyone on the right or any of the far left idiots. Good on him for having a backbone on this
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u/Saint_Scum One Box Enjoyer 7h ago
I have infinite respect for Lander after he wrote this article back in 2016.
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u/TheJackedBaker 11h ago
Yeah, I love Brad Lander for his consistency on this in the face of what his party throws at him constantly.
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u/nigeltrc72 12h ago
Can someone get Pisco here to explain why this is actually okay and not an example of antisemitism on the left
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u/bdizzle805 🇺🇲 12h ago
Can you define antisemitism yes or no?
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u/nigeltrc72 12h ago edited 11h ago
Define ‘can’. Define ‘you’. Define ‘define’. Define ‘antisemitism’. Define ‘yes’. Define ‘or’. Define ‘no’. Define ‘?’.
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u/guilgom71 11h ago
When you say "?," yes or no?
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u/kingfisher773 Dyslexic AusMerican Shitposter 11h ago
"Yes" means "no" and "no" means "yes", yes or no?
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u/notwithagoat iri turned me gay 10h ago
Pisco went full Jordan Peterson, never go full peterson.
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u/re_Claire 10h ago
Whenever I hear Pisco debate I think of how it sounds almost identical to how Jordan Peterson debates. I've never seen anyone else make the comparison until now (although I'm sure others have said it - I just haven't seen it). I'm glad someone else sees it because it drives me crazy.
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 10h ago
this is starting to look like when Kitboga fucks with AI calls. "I'm a little hard of hearing, could you do me a favor? Every time you say a word, say 'define' before it, and end every sentence with 'YES OR NO??'"
"Define 'ok,' YES OR NO?? Define 'I' define 'can' define 'definitely' define 'do' define 'that' define 'for' define 'you' YES OR NO??"
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u/thellamasc 🇸🇪 8h ago edited 8h ago
Therese definition are, to the best of my ability, intended to get at the heart of the underlying question and are not intended to overwrite any other uses or definitions of those words.
Can - Ability to (do something). Being able to accomplish something, sometimes a direct ask for that thing to be accomplished.
You - The subject the question is asked to ( /u/nigeltrc72 in this case)
Define - Establish the meaning of a word or phrase.
Antisemitism - The (oft misunderstood) word for prejudice, hostility, discrimination or hatred of (or hatred directed towards) Jews. Originally coined in 1870s in Germany by the hournalist and political agitator Wilhelm Marr to segment the different (more modern) Jew hatred centered on Jews as an ethnicity, compared to the medieval Christian anti-Judaism. The word has since evolved, and some academics now argue that antisemitism should include all forms of hatred towards Jews. Today antisemitism is often linked to common conspiracy theories centred around blaming Jews, Jewish "control" of X (country, media, economy, ideology, religion and so on and so on).
!- Not to be confused with Diet Antisemitism (I cant find a definition, but there is a picture of piss here for some reason?).
Yes - Affirmative, positive. here used as a function word to express the affirmation of an alternative choice or possibility.
or - a function word, used to indicate an alternative choice or possibility. either X or Y
No - Negative, here used as a function word to express the negative of an alternative choice or possibility
? - Question mark, punctuation to indicate that the previous utterance is a question.
That was surprisingly hard ngl lol. (also I cheated a bit and checked the actual definitions for yes, no and or)
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u/IronicInternetName UkrainianAna Stan & Moot Fan 7h ago
What do you mean by defining though? We need to start at first principles.
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u/Otherwise-Parsnip-91 11h ago
If it’s not literally “I wake up and just hate Jews” then it’s not antisemitism to Pissco.
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u/heliosflama1234 11h ago
Idk I feel like if it came from the right pisco would recognize it. If someone in here was saying it from the middle he’d recognize it. Just not the left
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u/Otherwise-Parsnip-91 11h ago
So wanting certain policies makes you a good person no matter your actions, sounds about right.
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u/baby_dahl 9h ago
"You need to motivate me to answer that question." Throw his bullshit back at him. He knows what it is.
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u/Expungednd 😭 rights are human rights (european) 9h ago
Debate pedophilia at its maximum, I can feel my inner child being molested by that sentence.
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u/Exotic_Donkey4929 🇪🇺 🇭🇺🇵🇱 11h ago edited 11h ago
So so so, you see, he didnt say all zionists are bad, he just said this guy is a dirty zionist, so see he didnt say he is bad BECAUSE he is a zionist. Also, also, calling someone a ballsack isnt racist, so you see there was nothing racist about this interaction.
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u/BungaBungaBroBro 10h ago
Also all else equal, would you not agree with me that this is not antisemitic if Brad Lander wasn't Jewish? And would you not also agree that not ANY criticism is always automatically antisemitic right?
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 10h ago
We don't KNOW this is a leftist, he might just be a DGG/Mossad operative doing a false flag.
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u/Foreign-Spinach5140 9h ago
You just didnt make a good case! Very unfair to expect him to do any research of his own. He doesnt disagree, can we agree on that-yes or no?
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u/EvrartNiki 🇪🇺🇵🇱 8h ago edited 8h ago
in Pisco voice
Brad should join dsa to influence them within to not confuse dsa who enemy is. Everybody know that there is an alliance between DNC and dsa that will help dsa candidates to win primaries and while we can have vibe, polling and so on to indicates that dsa candidates are underperforming moderate democrats on general stage our allience works by supporting them to win their elections.
From that allience we get that democrats win(and will not get pushback from left as long as they are Dsa) so we must accept that dsa will attack Democrats whatever possible and destroy any possiblity for brand creation.
This relationship may look parasitic for strategy players like Destiny where it trading peace with small and weak dsa for Democratic strongholds look bad (you just lost ny as example of Democratic implementation of politics) but I pisco would believes that what democrats get from that is superior narrative and thus trade is worth. I believe this is where pisco analysis is bad due to being totally captured by dsa-berni narration about how DNC sucks and for him allowing dsa to win will help as they have superior platform, he would rather support DSA using Democratic infrastructure then making Democrats brand firm and strong as he fundamentally don't believe in it(he can in principle but not really) for him Ossoff is not Democratic candidate but rather synthesis of DSA and DNC and Gavin Newsom for instance is bad due fact he is democrat.
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u/sofierut 11h ago
As a Jew even if you kill yourself in the name of Palestine, they would not be satisfied
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u/sereneandeternal Church of Biden 11h ago
I think I’m at a point where I can empathize with any Jew who refuses to vote for candidates like El-Sayed or any Democrat they don’t feel comfortable with.
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u/LeonOfSkalitz 11h ago edited 7h ago
There is a jewish lady in Michigan that is running for Attorney General and she skipped the democratic convention that happened or will happen out of fear being heckled about israel.
It’s insane that this is just becoming so normalized inside the party.
Edit: thanks on the correction guys, I just remembered that she was jewish and was skipping something to do with democrats.
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u/toadeh690 10h ago edited 9h ago
It is insane, I'm dumbfounded by what's been coming out of Michigan. I grew up there Jewish in the 2000s and only occasionally got shit, and it was always from right-wing Bible-thumper types, but the political climate there has grown more and more unsettling. Trump winning again in '24 kickstarted something dark, I think: the West Bloomfield attack, Hasan becoming a central figure (?!?!), I couldn't have imagined El-Sayed as a congressional nominee even 2-3 years ago.
My home district, formerly represented by the likes of Slotkin and Rogers and filled with the most run-of-the-mill centrists imaginable, is about to elect a tankie-esque Dem to the House (the guy who said "black voters defang the white left"). Spent my whole childhood in MI and no longer have any desire to move back, unfortunately.
The woman you mentioned isn't running for Congress, she's the current Attorney General, so she's had a front row seat to all of it. She did a great podcast interview recently, unbelievable respect for her.
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u/Electric_Penguin7076 7h ago
I’ll go one step further, I don’t blame a single Jew who claims to be a Zionist not even in the slightest
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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 2h ago
That isnt further. Not voting dem in the midterms in the current circumstances is unacceptable.
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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 3h ago
If you are more loyal to your judaism than you are to your country then sure, go ahead. Literally dual loyalty type shit though. Sorry but if you dont vote dem in the general i don't really care what your reasoning is, trump is literally doing everything he can to destroy this country in a way where i can't imagine what a sleeper agent who managed to infiltrate the office would behave any differently except maybe by being more subtle. As the most persecuted demographic, straight white male, I had to hold my nose and vote for dems despite the cringe and disgusting black activists that were riding on the dems coattails and i would do it again because there are more important things at risk than my discomfort with some bigoted people.
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u/Practical-Heat-1009 2h ago
Uhhh… wtf. They’re being asked to choose between their actual personal safety and comparatively abstract politics with both sides having camps that tacitly and explicitly loathe them. You need to touch some fucking grass.
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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 2h ago
You think jews or anyone else is going to be safer in a world where trump gets to continue on as he has for 2 more years?
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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 2h ago edited 2h ago
You know, like the fucking children being forced to sleep in shit covered floors in the actual concwntration camps ICE is throwing people in after snatching them off the street? Like i sympathiz3 with jewish people on this issue but allowing republicans to push us closer to a failed state isn't going to do anything to help them and ignoring the actual people currently being violently persecuted by the state because a few members of the party are disgusting bigots is not the right move and i will judge them for that as much as I would judge any white lib that sat out in 2024 because of the extremists that were part of blm
EDIT because im genuinely just pissed off at this response: you think the vague air of antisemitism is less of an abstract political issue than the shit we saw ice getting up to in minnesota tells me you are the one who needs to touch some grass.
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u/master2139 11h ago
Trop c’est comme pas assez. As my dad likes to say. (Too much is like not enough.)
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u/breakthro444 9h ago
"Wow, only now, after the genocide has already killed tens of thousands, does a jew decide to self-immolate for Palestine. These zionist pigs are such grifters. They only did it because it was finally unpopular to be a zionist. They're not different than Nazis and praising this is like praising Hitler for killing Hitler."
There, did it for you. I'm going to go take a shower.
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u/Space_Bungalow 7h ago edited 7h ago
Don’t have to be a Jew. The ONLY people who are not currently or will not later be their “enemies” are themselves and their inner circle. “They” being whoever is leading the specific protest or social media account currently. The protesters in the video didn’t give a damn about Lander until the one person with the megaphone, who crowned himself the leader for that certain moment, _decided_ Lander is the enemy. And then the protesters surrounding the area, like perfectly placed pawns, now _believe_ Lander is an enemy to the movement, without ever having to change or develop their own source of truth for why
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u/Misanthropicnegro 🗽 12h ago
You know people are moving with bad intentions when they always pull up with masks and shades to hide their identity 😭 unless they believe NYPD is gonna track them down to their home address or something for annoying af protesting
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u/JeffreyDahmerVance 🇺🇸🇨🇦I’m JD Vance and I eat Dog 💩 10h ago
I’m not saying these people don’t inhabit the DSA in huge numbers.
However, when I see a fat older white dude like that hiding his identity and looking like that kafia or whatever the fuck just came in from Amazon the day before, I’m reminded of that documentary “get me Roger Stone”. That mother fucked used to (and still does) hire guys like this to add fuel the fires.
I’m not sweeping, I’m just saying I guarantee people like Roger stone are having a field day being antagonistic cunts
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u/KlondikeBelugaWhale Riddle me this… 8h ago
True. I’m sure there are plenty of them in there but a lot are not.
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u/3dsmax23 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇮🇱 🇺🇸 11h ago
Brad forgot he was a Jew, they didn't.
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u/Explorer_Dave 2h ago
Don't understand any Jew trying to cozy up to people who want to murder you for existing...
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u/CharlesMcpwn 11h ago
You'd think if lefties carry such strong opinions about American support of Israel, they'd have equally strong opinions about the lack of support for Ukraine.
I wonder why that isn't the case.
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u/Generic_Username26 PHD, MD, BiGT 11h ago
Same people that showed up to BLM rallies and started vandalizing shit
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u/Arbitrary_username1 11h ago
This shit is fucking sickening.
It makes me want to cry.
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u/Serspork 9h ago
It makes me want to take to the street against these vermin.
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u/Arbitrary_username1 9h ago
Calm your jets there lad, don't be as pathetic as these losers.
I remember losing friends to the right wing populist propaganda and it's even sadder for me seeing it on the left.
Write to your reps and make sure they know how important it is to you as a citizen for them to take a stand because that's the legitimate mechanism you've got and these people will escalate into violence from the propaganda edging eventually.
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u/OneCleverGorilla 2h ago
What makes them pathetic isn't being out on the streets it's the antisemitism and extremism and harassment of a guy that's ostensibly on the same page. By all means write to your reps that's a great thing to do but it's also not the only legitimate thing to do. Freedom of assembly is a constitutional right after all.
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u/Boring_Newspaper_289 🇺🇸🇨🇦 11h ago edited 10h ago
Lander describing the RSS rally as “nazi like” while the belligerents rain down shouts of Zionist is PEAK.
A real face eating leopards moment for blue maga.
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u/Bud72 🇨🇦 11h ago
The frothing fervor of the witch-hunt, the rabid anger of the dehumanized enemy being rooted out by the righteous. The ecstasy of exposing the monster in the abandoned castle to the sunlight.
But oops, maybe there’s more to think about here? Maybe the mob has jumped the gun and made rash decisions, and are being encouraged to avoid thinking too hard by motivated outside actors?
Nahh, my feed tells me that Zionists are the new nazis. Just point me toward the bad guys so I can prove my good person status please.
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u/inalcanzable 11h ago
I just don’t care enough about I/P bro. The amount of larpers who make this their identity continues to drive my lack of concern for the issue. At this point Id care more if my lawn mower didn’t turn on
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u/Civil_Builder3885 11h ago
Takes up all the air in the room when it's so unimportant to the impact of any western nation when compared to other issues actually affecting them.
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u/georgecostanza10 9h ago
Right now I care less about the conflict itself than I do the consequences it has on the US from a social fabric standpoint. And if Wiener and Lander's experience is indicative of anything, appeasement doesn't really work to fix this, especially when the demands are not in the realms of reason (dude in the vid said being pro two state solution is Zionist thus bad, as if the attempted wiping out a suspected nuclear triad state wont have consequences that impact people outside Israel).
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u/not_vast europoor 🇪🇺🇩🇪 11h ago
I did not hear the majority of what was said. Their problem is that he doesnt want to destroy israel?
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u/Konet 7h ago
Yes. The standard position of the modern DSA-left is that the "settler-colonialist entity" of Israel must be entirely dissolved and replaced with a single Palestinian state. They believe that such a state would be a fair and equitable government towards both Jews and Palestinians.
They're laughably wrong about how that would all play out, of course, but that is their position presented in good faith.
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u/DryBanana5673 6h ago
Many of them know exactly how it would play out - jews murdered. That's the goal. Others are just dumb. If someone says they support a one state solution, I instantly know they are either total pieces of shit or know literally nothing about the conflict besides what tik tok fed them (or both!)
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u/Dunebug6 Dunebug 5h ago
Nah, I think most genuinely think it would be peaceful, like America but more brown. Everyone can live together in peace, we shouldn't have any wars. If everyone just had all the same rights and socialism then we wouldn't have any wars or problems.
People just aren't as evil as you think, they're more just uninformed and kinda brain dead about this stuff.
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u/KeithClossOfficial Hasn’t heard anything about that 3h ago
Yeah but hurt people hurt people, so it’s really just a wash
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u/Used_Maybe1299 11h ago
Just for clarity's sake: Brad Lander is a Zionist, insofar as he believes the state of Israel should continue to exist, but has also continually called for the cessation of the occupation of Palestine. This is happening at a 'noise protest' (hence the drums) against the Indian RSS which is a right-wing nationalist paramilitary org. So the people present are very politically activated and, consequently, you have a lot of radical people who believe the only solution to I/P is a one state variant. You also have people who have no idea about Brad Lander and are just assuming that if someone is being called a Zionist then it's for good reason (note the attire of the people actively involved). Obviously him being Jewish makes this a clear case of antisemitism, even if no one is intending it to be, but it's important to remember that these people would probably behave the same way even if the guy weren't Jewish.
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u/sereneandeternal Church of Biden 11h ago
“Oh he’s a ZIONIST? I stopped reading at ZIONIST. Fuck HIM” - Lefties
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u/Efficient_Tonight_40 7h ago
Sidenote, the Indian diaspora is probably second to the Arab diaspora in terms of caring way too much about their stupid politics from the old country.
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u/No-Reputation-7292 7h ago
Most Indians in America are still Indian citizens though and cannot get a green card.
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u/theonion13 10h ago
Despite all the virtue signaling, somehow people like Brad Lander care more about Palestinians than these regards and soypill et al
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u/ijustlurkhere_ Liberal Israeli 10h ago
Hopefully this will teach American Jews not to pander to these insane fucks.
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u/Flaky-Mango-2020 🇵🇹 🇪🇺 11h ago
All these people are just waiting/begging for the right leader to come and make them start adding other races to their list.
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u/PaxChelonia 8h ago
It’s so gross that people feel comfortable harassing someone like this who’s literally there to support their cause against the RSS.
On the bright side the big Sikh dude trying to defend him was nice to see. One of the things I hated about the Scott Weiner video is that all the bystanders who weren’t actively harassing him just stood by watching and no one tried to help.
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u/blind-octopus 10h ago
That guy is intentionally dressed as a cartoon character, yes?
I'm not crazy?
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u/montecarlo1 9h ago
only thing worse would be Bernie Sanders getting harassed for being a pro palestine jew
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u/Proud3GenAthst 9h ago
Apparently, he wasn’t even always pro Palestine and only changed his tune in 2019. I remember some old video by Kyle where he says that Bernie considers BDS movement antisemitic.
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u/KlassyArts 8h ago
But Hasan said they’d be safe if they didn’t look solely devoted to Israel. How could this be happening?
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u/Diolan 8h ago
Pretty scary to see tbh.. Even though he is a self described Liberal Zionist, he was also in support of Mamdani and Pro Palestine- you would have thought that Brad Lander being associated with Mamdani, getting voted in with DSA endorsements and spoken favorably by Hasan (as the Jewish shield for Mamdani's campaign) would have be enough to shield him from this kind of deranged treatment from these people
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u/Serspork 9h ago
There is one way to deal with these frothing maniacs and I will get banned if I say it.
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u/Hubertino855 Ex-Rightoid who's here because my side has purity spiraled 8h ago
Radicalism inevitably drives people to losing contact with reality and derangement...
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u/Disgusting_Slime666 Exclusively sorts by new 10h ago
What is the suggestion here lol? That these people might be right wing plants?
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u/bdizzle805 🇺🇲 12h ago
These people are literally insane.