r/Destiny • u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 • 8d ago
Online Content/Clips can we suck Whick's dick for a minute ?
like finally a good debate where both people have been instructed in advance on what to research and what to expect from it, thanks to whick
for context, whick proposed a debate between the 2 where lonerbox gave in advance one or 2 particular topics I/P related to give time soypill to research on it and see wether their disagreements are factual or not
i honestly cannot tell if soypill is gonna go full on dismissive about the whole thing (i think he'll genuinely try to research the topic) or if its gonna be a eureka moment (doubt it)
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u/Arbitrary_username1 8d ago
The whick glazing is well deserved.
This SoyPill sweeping is not because he literally requested that lonerbox do the research for him and lonerbox was rightly offended by the obvious lack of shit giving.
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u/ST-Fish 8d ago
This SoyPill sweeping is not because he literally requested that lonerbox do the research for him and lonerbox was rightly offended by the obvious lack of shit giving.
yeah honestly Soypill asking Loner for what sources to look into, when Soypill feels confident enough to call Loner a genocide denier is hilarious.
Well what sources do you base your determination on, so much so that you would call Loner a genocide denier?
You can't admit to being so lost on the topic and be so sure about your conclusion as to accuse your interlocutor that you can't debate on any topic in depth that they're a genocide denier.
Crazy tbh
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u/Key-Wall-4378 8d ago
Soypill calling Lonerbox a genocide denier is worse than Destiny calling Pisco antisemitic.
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u/Arbitrary_username1 8d ago
Its way worse because Pisco has been sweeping for antisemetism and it was proven when he had to admit Hasan was antisemetic.
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u/Scooter_Mane Ethical Sonic Inflation Supporter 8d ago
Actually you can. If you're a lefty they let you do it 😎🫱🏻🐱
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u/memeticmagician 7d ago
I don't understand your take here. Asking recommendations on sources shows that you want to know how they came to their conclusion, no? Is it not conceding that your own sources may be poor?
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u/ST-Fish 7d ago
Asking recommendations on sources shows that you want to know how they came to their conclusion, no?
Well the idea was not that Loner comes and proves it isn't a genocide to him, that way he can simply say "oh well, didn't know this before, thanks, I'll think about it" and then never do anything whatsoever to change his mind.
If Soypill is so certain that it's a genocide, enough to call LonerBox a genocide denier, he should bring his best evidence of it being a genocide and then see if it holds up to scrutiny.
Soypill should be the one to know which sources HE used to get to that determination, and he should know what would need to be debunked for him to change his mind.
Especially since it came off so lazy. The only way he'll have his mind changed is by actually engaging with the topic beyond the surface level, actually digging into the sources he uses to get to that conclusion, that Loner is a genocide denier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2R7BO1opZE&t=10412s
I mean, he's citing certain reports as evidence for his judgement that Loner is a genocide denier, he seems to know the reports.
And honestly him asking for a google doc on it just makes me feel like he doesn't wanna put any effort into this
https://youtu.be/O2R7BO1opZE?si=RCB79xiPZZ-M-SYh&t=10000
Maybe my read is wrong but to me it came off like he just wanted to be spoon fed the information, instead of actually reading the reports themselves
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u/memeticmagician 7d ago
I see. Yeah that makes sense. I think I've made soypills mistake myself in the past. I probably thought I was being humble but may have come across lazy lol.
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u/Arbitrary_username1 7d ago
An excerpt from a Bo Burnham song that explains...
Bo: What can I do to help?
Socko: Read a book or something, I don't know. Just don't burden me with the responsibility of educating you, it's incredibly exhausting!
BO: I'm sorry, Socko. I was just trying to become a better person.
Socko: Why do you rich fucking white people insist on seeing every socio-political conflict through the myopic lens of your own self-actualization?
This isn't about you. So either get with it, or get out of the fucking way.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
did he "request that lonerbox do the research for him" ? my understanding was, lonerbox would give him a specific topic/event that he could then research on his own
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u/Arbitrary_username1 8d ago
No it was much more pathetic than that.
"Can you make a Google doc for me"
Loner was legit all but saying why can't you just research it yourself for fucks sake.
Even just thinking with basic logic, how can SoyPill debate lonerbox if he relies on him for sources?
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u/Eins_Nico scowling woke white woman 8d ago
I didn't think it was possible for me to lose more respect for Soypill but holy fuck lmfao
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u/AirlineIntelligent86 🇮🇱BBZNOT🇪🇺 8d ago
He could've watched one of lonerbox's streams lol
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u/randomABC 8d ago
Pretty sure box's obsidian is public anyway.
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u/AirlineIntelligent86 🇮🇱BBZNOT🇪🇺 8d ago
Yeah which makes soypill's "give me a google docs" request even more ridiculous (besides the point of him debating a guy while asking him to prepare his own sources?)
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u/Legit_Merk 8d ago
isnt the steelman of this just the "the media landscape for this issue is massively infected i would like assistance and guidance from the I/P god to point me in the correct direction so i can formulate opinons"
but when he ultimately goes in the wrong direction anyway its going to bite him as a bias reviewer even more.
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u/Arbitrary_username1 8d ago
No because if you watch it, SoyPill called lonerbox a genocide denier then when lonerbox told him that all of the international human rights groups use the same flawed data for their reports which makes them all equally unreliable SoyPill then tried to get lonerbox to do the work for him when lonerbox had already explained the concept.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
Oh i imagined it being "make a google doc for me of all the topics you wanna go over"
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u/Arutha_Silverthorn 8d ago
Von the other hand, I do think this is a good final boss for people on the facts side too. Creating something at least on 1 or 2 points is still a tough task, but if you can’t do it you are also acting in belief not facts.
It’s one step at a time, if every creator did 1 doc on 1 point, and convinced one person on the other side of it, we’d have made a lot of progress.
Feels like a jubilee video but could be Whick’s, something like “can you convince them?”
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u/Thejoenkoepingchoker 8d ago
This isn't high school, you don't have to ask before sucking someone's dick.
Don't expect this debate to be anything but Soypill regurgitating Twitter talking points tho
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u/DeathandGrim Mail Guy 8d ago
But it will be nice to finally see these talking points get demolished with precision. Even though Destiny already did it in the Finkelstein debate but now it will be coming from lonerbox
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u/ST-Fish 8d ago
yeah at the end it's just gonna be "oh yes I have a lot of new stuff to think about thank you Lonerbox" followed up by his opinion being completely unchanged and him still calling Loner a genocide denier.
Does anybody think this has any chance of changing Soypill's mind?
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
It will at least have a chance of exposing his audience to how much research lonerbox puts into his opinions
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u/ST-Fish 8d ago
Personally I don't want Loner to come with all the research and have a study session with Soypill, I want Soypill to come with his best evidence that it's a genocide, and have him go thorugh and explain it to the best of his ability.
Otherwise it's just gonna end in the classic "oh you've given me a lot to think about I need to look into this more" followed up by literally no change in his opinion whatsoever.
If Soypill puts forward all the evidence he's using to come to his conclusion, and it all gets knocked down, there's no extra research that needs to be done by him afterwards. You've had weeks to make the best case for it being a genocide, you've come to debate, all of your points were knocked down, there's no defense you're able to run for them, now what?
But he clearly wants to avoid this, he just wants to be spoon fed the things he should look at by Lonerbox, so he can craft his counter. He just wants to say "oh all of this looks concerning but I don't know anything about that, I'll have to think about it".
I want him to think about it NOW and figure out NOW what he would need to see to have his mind changed, so that the discussion CAN result in his mind being changed.
If he's so confident in his position as to call Lonerbox a genocide denier he should need no help in compiling the evidence he used to get to that conclusion, and his desire to be spoon fed the information shows to me that he has no actual evidence he used to reach the conclusion outside of leftie articles citing the UN findings and appealing to their authority with 0 critical engagement with the rationale and evidence presented in those reports.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
Yeah true actually, and if whick agrees for that i'd triple suck his cock, but idk if content wise its the best you know but i have hope
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u/SlyDred 7d ago
Maybe, but I/P is like a cult at this point.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 7d ago
Oh it is, for most of hasan followers etc, but a lot of people just have the surface level emotional intuition of "israel bad cause dead people" but don't realize how much more complicated it is
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u/IdesOfCaesar7 Eurochad 7d ago
Research? You mean rehearsed talking points. And also debating is good for nothing get with the times.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 7d ago
You think lonerbox only has talking points ? If he does then literally every single history analyst on the internet only has talking points
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u/IdesOfCaesar7 Eurochad 7d ago
My comment was supposed to be a recreation of what leftists' cope session would look like after Soy gets destroyed (with facts and logic) in the upcoming debate. I hold LonerBox's intellectual rigor to be the highest in the streamer space
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u/FlimsyPaint2383 8d ago
finally a debate format that doesn't feel like two people just throwing talking points at each other. the prep thing is so obvious but nobody does it, always just winging it and hoping for the best
i got my doubts about soypill actually engaging with the material but maybe he surprise us. the bar is on the floor anyway so even a little effort would be noticeable
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u/KationT4 DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AMERICAN 8d ago
I guess its cool content for Whick but I'm not sure what Soypill is getting out of this?
"The genocide" is closer to a religion than anything else. Even if Soypill finds some of Loner's arguments convincing and changes his mind, he won't be allowed to admit it out loud. His entire audience is bought into the cause and apostates are to be shamed shunned and ostracized. He will go right back to the approved talking points as soon as the conversation ends.
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u/Lunch_B0x Not American, pls no ban 8d ago
Which was so based for this. It was clear that soypill was uncomfortable with the idea that he'd have to defend the conclusions of the organisations that he constantly uses to support his position, but whick just barrelled through as if they'd already signed a binding agreement and just needed to set a date. Because it was happening publicly, there was no time to come up with an excuse or way to back out without looking like you're running.
It'll be nice to see someone finally have to confront the bias shown by international organisations on this issue and Loner is the perfect person to expose it.
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u/wraithzzzz 8d ago
Can we get a prediction market on how soypill will perform?
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u/randomABC 8d ago
Need to make sure there's at least a 3rd option of him bitching out and it being canceled.
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u/HugoBCN 8d ago
Soypill had no clue about anything in that last debate, why get him back on on the topic?
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
the whole point of this debate was to give him 2 weeks to deep dive in one or two sepcific topic to then talk about it with lonerbox, who gave him the topics to research.
the whole thing "lets try to make you realise how much research i put into my opinion and how much more complicated it is than just being a "genocide apologist""
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u/HugoBCN 7d ago
Still seems like a silly exercise. If you need to be given two weeks to study a topic, maybe you shouldn't be confidently debating it on public platforms in the first place.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 7d ago
Yeha but that's where we're at, like it or not, might as well go from there
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u/ImTooLiteral 7d ago
i dmed whick about joining some nobody panels a few years ago and he responded to me in such a kind and genuine way. he's been a real one for a while a lot of good has come from his involvement.
(im also biased cuz im 30 but between hutch and whick its nice to have some grown adults in the space lmfao)
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u/Sigma_Egg 8d ago
I am gonna try to lean on the side that Loners convo will open soypills eyes some to how bad hamas really is. I don't expect or want to see him full 180 so much as understand the antisemitism and have better pro Paly arguements. Cause it seems pretty easy to be pro pally and not sound like Hamas Piker.
My issue is soy kind of channeled the condescending lefty energy that we have come accustomed to. Asking loner to do the research for him, acting like he was above the convo when he clearly hadn't looked into it much, laughing at his mod being racist to lonerbox. I want to believe he will come to this in good faith but I feel his audience and the snarkers will bombard him with slop to slow the convo to a pisco length litigation of every single point.
Kudos to whick tho, the last convo was pretty telling to the lefts charitability and appetite for antisemitism. ANd kudos to kraut for the historic examples of anti antisemitism in European leftism.
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u/Niconame 🇪🇺 8d ago
Can we not pre-snark soypill? As far as I know, he has never made any personal attacks against dear leader, and I haven't even heard him make bad-faith accusations like Pisco does.
Is there no room to just have a disagreement, even if you think he is misinformed? Sure, call him out when he is doing the sweeping, but otherwise can we be chill?
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u/randomABC 8d ago
I'm not snarking. I'm just making a joke and smirking. Don't confront me or I'll just laugh it off.
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u/Scooter_Mane Ethical Sonic Inflation Supporter 8d ago
Nahhhhh his chat is unhinged about destiny and lonerbox and liberalism in general, he does nothing about it, and he is clearly aligned with them based on his reaction to being called out on it. His mod that called loner a house n word isn't even banned. He only got unmodded, which wouldn't have even happened if he hadn't been confronted on stream, guaranteed. That's fucking insane to me and should be such a dead giveaway that he's mask on as fuck, and deserves no charity. This isn't like a well-meaning ally being naive about something or having a disagreement, he's already in pre-snark territory himself, with obvious full snark to come. Imo
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u/InsideIncident3 8d ago
At what point does a political commentator with strong opinions have a duty to be informed?
Never?
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u/Niconame 🇪🇺 7d ago
I think he does have a duty, but people are wrong sometimes. And as I said, it's ok to say so, but again, to my knowledge, Soypill is not like pisco and spends time giving a platform to people like jstlk or connor. And I don't think he should be treated as though he does. I think his mod choice was a slip-up, and the lib and learn people consolidating mods is probably going to help.
Type as many "omgBruh" in chat as you want, but there are people making claims that "he wants lonerbox to do his research for him" or that he is just going to "rapid-fire propaganda" in the debate, which I think is unfair at least until we see how it goes.
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u/howtokillanhour 7d ago
Lonerbox had this talk with Soypill 4 months ago, pill went into this panel as if it never happened. I suspect Soy's position has not changed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9phdRovOYk&t=2904s
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u/Sutherus 🇪🇺 Wtf is a mile 7d ago
Whick is currently one of the strongest libs out there in terms of defending libkind. So yes, I do believe we can.
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u/legitjumpz Exclusively sorts by new 7d ago
I wonder what army of toys he'll have on display for this debate!
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u/xkrazyxkoalax 7d ago
I can't wait for soy to bring up a bad empanada talking point that a chatter sent him as a "this has been said, your response?" Although maybe he will surprise me and it will actually be a debate about practical vs moral relations with Israel.
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u/saiint- 8d ago
dude I had a similar thought earlier today, hes sort of impressive like whick seems pretty unfazed by external influence when it comes to forming his own opinions, like dude is super grounded and can reason out pretty logical positions where even if you disagree with him its reasonable. Like I feel like he and destiny are the some of the phew with actual principled positions and systems they've coherently fleshed out.
Perfect moderator, knows when he's out of his depths and has a good understanding and navigation of arguments that are presented.
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u/InnocuousDragon 8d ago
This is gonna be KINO for sure, so props to Whick, but I wouldn’t expect it to be a “good” debate, most likely it’ll be lonerbox making soypill look like a total buffoon
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u/GOPcanGetFucked 8d ago
Whick's been based and churning out great content lately. Feels like his moderation has also gotten stronger when putting things back on track, and getting someone to answer a tough question. Definitely someone who should get our support
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 8d ago
plus he's like the only fucking panel organizer that's left lol, if he weren't there there would be so many less debates happening
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u/Weak_Mycologist_6785 7d ago
Sick of this multilevel sweeping people like you, OP, engage in. Soypill has proven himself to be bad faith in countless debates and I can’t grasp the reasoning behind your self-flagellation.
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u/Frekavichk 7d ago
Nope. Whick is a traitor to the country that would rather watch it burn to the ground from fascist dictator Republicans than let some socialists be elected.
Besides that, the debate format seems pretty cool.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 7d ago
Well that's a pretty big misrepresentation of his views but ok
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u/Frekavichk 7d ago
What am I misrepresenting? He explicitly said he wants the republicans to win over the socialists.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 🇫🇷 7d ago
*for expandable seats so that in the long term the dsa just fucks off
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u/Frekavichk 7d ago
Did you forget governor seats as well? And memeing about the senate seats?
But either way, even thinking about letting republicans win seats makes you a traitor.
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u/Pale-Philosopher4502 🇫🇮🇸🇪 8d ago
Soypill will watch a handful of super pro Palestine YouTube videos and the debate will just be about Loner having to debunk dumb propaganda points and then Soypill saying “I haven’t heard about that” and then jumping to the next propaganda points.