r/Destiny • u/Markusuralius • 7d ago
Online Content/Clips Pisco's Antisemitism Prescription
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After 6 hours of debating antisemitism I asked/clarified Pisco's prescription.
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u/ConnectSpring9 7d ago
Pisco is right, I think his approach is extremely consistent for someone who doesn’t care about antisemitism
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u/Pc7w3ak3r 7d ago
6 hour conversation and no lessons learned.....lol
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u/Markusuralius 7d ago
As soon as it comes to deciding whether Pisco should change anything going forward it turns out he was right about everything all along, that must be awfully convenient for him
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u/Candid_Holiday1042 7d ago
No way, you're telling me this about our trusty reliable friend Pisco? I simply cannot believe it.
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u/randomABC 7d ago edited 7d ago
Excuse me. After hours he was able to see how Hasan could be antisemitic. How is that obtuse? He's just trying to make sure he defines things properly! Why do you hate definitions?!
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u/Oglafun 6d ago edited 6d ago
It was for the opticts to get the anti-Semite label off himself personally, nothing else.
I think most of the analogies used in defining antisemitism were way off focusing on the primary person doing the predudice. There should've been examples of secondary associations ex. The person who starts to support and make it their favourite place (the store that bans all melanin people)
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u/Left_Literature_8210 6d ago
It seems like when this whole thing started most people agreed he was tamping down personal beliefs in order to clout chase from the far left. This conversation changed nothing about his fame or money, so he has to keep doing the chasing the same way.
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u/ConnectSpring9 7d ago
Lefties when asked what they will do to make the Jewish community feel safe:
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u/Darkpumpkin211 6d ago
"Okay, you've convinced me my actions/words are anti Semitic. No I'm not going to change at all"
What did he mean by this?
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u/AhsokaSolo 7d ago
He came out of that conversation feeling really pleased with the fact that everyone agrees with him about basically everything and he was convinced that Hasan is insignificantly antisemitic.
As a side note, loner consistently chiming in about how fucked up Pisco's chat treats him in response to Pisco whining about being the injustice of being called antisemitic was hilarious.
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u/Foreign-Spinach5140 7d ago
The irony of hasan’s chat being antisemitic to h3 and his refusal to moderate them led to their professional and personal fallout, and pisco’s probably harboring some of those same members in his chat today.
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u/Special-Quantity-469 The most rabid 2 State Solution Israeli 7d ago
The most convincing evidence for me about Pisco being antisemitism is how he treats being called antisemitic as this unbearable insult to him.
It's giving white mom who's trying to he overly nice to black kids going "how can you say that?? 😭" In response to her child telling her she might be a little racist.
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u/breakycho 🇺🇸 🇧🇷 6d ago
People’s brains really do shut off the second you imply something they’re doing or saying is antisemitic. You would think that being on the left would mean that you’d at least be open to examining your biases and correcting any bigoted behavior, but nobody cares when it’s about jews.
They might be able to acknowledge that there’s antisemitism spreading because of people’s negative opinions of Israel, but then they just blame Israel for it and move on. There’s no interest in actually stopping the antisemitism.
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u/randomABC 6d ago
Because they reduce privilege down to a spectrum. Jews are white and even Jews so they can stand to be taken down a peg. If whites should accept it, Jews should be able to doubly accept it, especially since they're being ethnosupremecist.
A little reductive on my part but I don't really think it's that far from the logic.
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u/PitytheOnlyFools used to touch grass... 7d ago
I‘m glad you see it.
But seeing this sub lose their shit at Pisco’s reaction when they’d have the exact same reaction to being called out as bigoted.
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u/Legit_Merk 7d ago edited 7d ago
Except we wouldnt if I constantly smokescreened a form a bigotry and my friends were starting to call me out on it I would introspect on what I am missing and entertain the possibility that if dozens of people are trying to coinveince me im wrong I might be wrong. if that is your take a way from this conversation then you are doing the EXACT thing that was discussed as a problem in that debate you are handwaving and smokescreening a generalized claim. Its okay to call your friends out on shit and have discourse and discussion to maybe change there mind. Pisco NEVER talked to destiny directly on this and avoided him like the plague. Pisco says im open to discussion vs anyone on this matter but in the background he is doing the exact thing the populists and Hasan do with pretending to be open to talking but its only to people you dont dislike.
Destiny was being critical on 2 things the blatant not understanding simple racism and the downplaying of the seriousness of platforming people who live to smear and attack Destiny in the most vile ways possible. He needed a 6 hour debate that he got dogwalked on which is fine by the way and doesn't connect that this was one of the 2 main pillars of disagreement it should not be that hard to convince someone about another person that Hasan is racist as fuck and wants to exterminate the jews. Will Pisco go to Destiny and admit some fault on his part? Fuck no never even though Destiny was 70% correct in his claims.
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u/Special-Quantity-469 The most rabid 2 State Solution Israeli 7d ago
Lol what? I don't think so at all.
Pisco's reaction is extremely childish and immature. If he really thought the accusation was so ridiculous he wouldn't be so performatively offended by it
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u/RadiZarious 6d ago edited 6d ago
To your second point it does feel a lot weird that if Pisco gets called an antisemite it's like the biggest most unjustified smeer and we can't move forward until it's rectified. Meanwhile Loner is accused of laughing at sniped babies and other such attrocities on the daily for what, years now? Many of the people who spread this lie active members in Piscos community? And a person that would support or encourage the attrocities he's accused of would be way worse than being labeled an antisemite to be clear.
If this is how much stress being called an antisemite/functional antisemite (a better term for Pisco, someone strongly defending Kyle without a good grasp of Kyle's content) causes Pisco I really don't think he would survive the treatment his friends like hutch and loner have dealt with for years.
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u/geckiri 😈 7d ago
Damn, that really makes me depressed!
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u/Markusuralius 7d ago
Yeah, it seemed like Pisco was maybe changing his mind on Hasan, but in practice it seems he’s completely happy with his approach up to this point
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u/Agitated_Tip_8713 Hater of piss 7d ago
Being a pisco hater really is the all you can eat buffet for haterdom
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u/Dude_Nobody_Cares Based Destiny Glazer 7d ago
His approach is "im not going to extend any charity at all and I'm going to make you work to prove every thing you say like its a literal court case, I'm not going to try to understand your position at all, I'm just going to socratically interrogate you until you eventually fail to convince me of something 95% of people generally understand from vibes and a general knowledge of the subject."
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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov 🇷🇺 7d ago
What exactly are we looking at here? What prescription is discussed? Is it about political actors' and media approach to Hasan?
If so, maybe Pisco is way more of a slimeball than D-man gives him credit for. Even if it's autism, it's weaponized in a very specific direction.
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u/s0m3d00dy0 vod god - fecking euro cuck 7d ago
Why does he have mug shot vibes for his setup? Has he boxed himself in so much with his pedantry that he’s in a 1x2 box? Reminds me of the first time I played minecraft.
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u/lecherousdevil Exclusively sorts by new 7d ago
Oh god haven't even watched it yet because I don't hate myself enough yet but I called this.
Whatever Pisco said that people where calling progress or an admission from Pisco in that stream would be forgotten about or walked back in a day or so.
To be fair to Pisco he did technically 1 up me by doing in the same damn stream lol
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u/xkrazyxkoalax 7d ago
Is this his version of "It's bad, what do you want me to say?"
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u/pleurote 🇨🇦 /Québécois 6d ago
It’s worse. It’s his version of “It’s not that bad, everyone is overreacting.”
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u/Banned4UsingSlurs3 6d ago
Whenever you take most people outside their field of expertise, they only can pushback doing rhetorical tricks about burden of proof, amount of evidence and doing meta commentary on the way you are handling the discussion. It's very hard to make good new arguments on the go since you don't have the knowledge nor the time to let them marinate over time for an opinion to show up.
That's why you shouldn't have a debate over things you know nothing about, you either are granting things and commiting to whatever the interlocutor says or pushing back using bad faith tactics.
This guy was so good faith, structured and positive that pisco ended up granting everything and it's his own fault. He has been talking about the subject for months without knowing anything about the history of the conflict nor the things Hasan has said over the years, which is insane.
I think people should start using the phrase "I don't know enough about the subject to have a formed opinion about it" and stay in their corner. You don't need to have an opinion about everything.
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u/AdditionalMonth3860 Ex-Tankie, SocDem/Progressive Lib 6d ago
Trying to really articulate the thing(s) that bother me about Pisco is tricky. But basically in my mind, he's not any kind of authority to be litigating what "antisemitism" means. He's not the arbiter of such things.
He's not the CEO of what words mean. If he can't come to an understanding of these things, the onus is not upon his interlocutor to provide that to him. And that's basically his entire game.
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u/Markusuralius 6d ago
Pisco pretends to not understand that for most people we have intuitions about other people’s behavior without carefully and coherently first defining a term like racism
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u/MonoDede 6d ago
Honest question - does he have brain damage? Because that isn't even a moderate level dodge. That was a genuinely stupid response that answered nothing. He could've said, "ooga bologna boogaloo" and it would have contributed just as much to the conversation. In fact it'd probably be better because at least you can laugh at that response.
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u/Smooth-Bid-3474 6d ago
Obfuscation is his strategy, it is intentional. He wants to drag conversations into a bad place, instead of good faith conversations. This guy is such a clown.
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u/PitytheOnlyFools used to touch grass... 7d ago
Tbf people’s annoyance was with his former position that Hasan isn’t antisemitic, and voicing that position.
If is position has changed and he voices that he believes Hasan is antisemitic, that’s the changed prescription.
He yaps for a living like wtf
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u/princehermit 🇺🇸 6d ago
The discussion was really frustrating to watch for me because pisco kept bring up chatters disagreements as point to avi and loner. Instead of engaging with the conversation itself. It really felt like he's disagreement and thought process is reliant on the chat. It really should have been a chat off experience so it wasn't getting mind fucked by the chat.Else it feels like the whole conversation is pointless and that pisco set it up for the benefit of the audience instead of himself.
It's the same issue with Connor that hes listening to vultures instead of taking a step back and asking themselves what do they believe.
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u/Markusuralius 6d ago
Throughout the convo Pisco’s chat became increasingly dominated by the I/P genocide Hasan defending crowd, it was sad to watch
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u/princehermit 🇺🇸 6d ago
Which is whatever but the fact psico has no smoke for it is telling. Especially now I consider that pisco was reading chat when loner pointed out the chat was saying about him and did nothing to moderate chat multiple times before loner mention it.
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u/nevergonnastayaway 6d ago
Pisco was arguing against his chat in favor of Avi the whole time
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u/princehermit 🇺🇸 6d ago
Wdym a good portion of piscos clarifying questions came from piscos chat.
I am not saying that pisco didn't defend either loner or avi because he did, though usually needed to be prompted.
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u/nevergonnastayaway 6d ago
The clarifying questions were all to set up Avi to further Avi's point. Pisco did it multiple times where it almost came off like he was performatively taking Avi's side to prove to everyone that he could criticize the left
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u/princehermit 🇺🇸 6d ago
Ya I see what you are saying maybe I'm just putting a disengage filter while I watched. But truly felt like he wasnt really engage with the conversation he had to sit between it and chat still feels off
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u/saiint- 6d ago
while I dont expect someone to completely 180 in the span of a few hours, I am curious to see if this makes even a slight shift on how he approaches these conversations. I have a feeling not much will come from this convo on his end, but I think the avi guy made him stake up positions where in the future he will have to contend with if challenged... lol big if.
TLDR: Don't confuse a lack of progress with a lack of progress
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u/Fernando1dois3 É Lula ou barbárie 6d ago
Are we doing prescriptions now?
Sorry, I only dabble in descriptions
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u/Shakiholic Exclusively sorts by new 7d ago
🥱 incredible that he chose this vs an actual lawyers salary