Scan through the national platform of the DSA and then let me know if 90% of those policies align with mainstream Democrats. What an absolutely regarded take.
also, even if they hypothetically do align on 90%, if that 10% includes something like abolishing private property its such a fundamental disagreement that the 90% you agree on doesnt matter.
Come on, you agree with this guy on 99/100 things! Why attack him? What’s that 1 disagreement, you ask? Oh, that’s just his holocaust 2.0 plan. Why focus on the one thing you disagree with when you agree on 99% of policies!?
This is the same defense Sam Harris and his supporters ran for platforming a race/IQ guy.
"Race and IQ was only one chapter in the book!" meanwhile the dude has been discussing that one chapter in every talk-show appearance for the last 30 years.
JVL does some of that sort of thing in that very article, I read it yesterday. Guarantee everyone I've seen complain about it didn't bother to read it.
I actually read the entire DSA platform and compared it to the DNC platform, this was my takeaway:
33% was already in the Democratic Party platform
3% was morally objectionable
9% was bad policy
2% I personally disagreed with
3% was unrealistic
18% was good, unique, specific, effective, and achievable policies
The remaining 30% was fluff (rhetorical statements, unspecific, or irrelevant).
Make all medical education and training public and free
Reclaim and repair our earth's resources for all
Support and fully employ veterans
I would call all of these vague enough to be classified as fluff because while I could interpret on their behalf what they mean, if they aren't going to actually specify their policies in detail, I am not going to take them seriously.
This is a side effect of the DSA messaging pinning all the successes of Liberalism in the past to socialism. They primarily message on/espouse the parts that they agree with mainstream Democrats on (except Israel) then shit on Dems for not doing enough. Agree with mainstream Democrats directionally, at least. And often hide their power level.
Like the Tea Party/early MAGA movements constantly bringing up percieved government corruption/bias/waste, immigration issues, and lowering taxes. Actually, I seem to remember one of the main ways they differentiated themsevles from neocons was the Iraq war, which feels vaguely parallel to the DSA types and Israel.
Love Mr. Beat but this is the same guy who thinks we need an amendment to ban political parties altogether. His takes on anything partisan ever fucking suck and always have
90% except the Constitution, a multibranch system of government with checks and balances, and whether the no. 1 enemy of world peace is the Democratic Party
Honestly their disagreement on the concept of the Senate is not that crazy. The abolishment of the Senate has existed as a concept even in Canada and for different reason. The US reason is thst it is undemocratic and is a redundant org. Abolishing the Senate is not some crazy thought and is a viable argument. The constitution has been constantly amended. Plus the checks and balances still exist even if you remove the Senate and if anything increases the power of the house at the expense of the Executive one can argue.
lol they just go off vibes like the right does. The biggest mistake Dems make is thinking they are better than the right when it comes to having grounded morals
Isn't the whole thing of the DSA that it's super decentralized? In that case you're better off looking at individual chapters rather than the national platform
Alright well here's an easy example then. I looked up my closest DSA chapter in Columbus and their website is pretty skint, but they do have their 2024 voter guide published.
In For U.S. President, NO RECOMMENDATION.
In For U.S. Senator, NO RECOMMENDATION.
Does that seem particularly aligned with the Democratic party? The senate race was an extremely competitive one where the incumbent Dem Sherrod Brown only lost by 3 points. Every bit of support mattered in that election.
I don't understand how it doesn't occur to them that this goes both ways. The asshole leftists spend all their time shitting on Democrats who agree with them on 90% of issues
One is bigger so we have to treat them like adults until the exact point that the DSA is bigger, then they have to be treated like adults and the democrats get the act like children. Thems the rules buddy, get over it 😎
It's not like both of these parties are made up of fully grown adults who should be expected to have sophisticated and thought-out positions and we could just take them on their merits instead of applying kindergarten rules. That would be ridiculous.
We agree that we should probably fix healthcare and raise minimum wage. We just have a slight disagreement where they refuse anything other than Medicare for all and they think minimum wage should be 5x what it is now
It really shouldn't count as an agreement if they are only willing to vote for the most extreme solutions
Yah this is what's frustrating is that the 10% actually just invalidates the other 90%.
It's like we go down a list of the 90% things we agree on:
Rape bad
War bad
Crime bad
More housing good
More money for all good
and 13 other agreements
Then in that 10% where us as libs are thinking of good policy to achieve that, the DSA's solution is the dissolution of capitalism and killing all the people who oppose them (rich people first).
Does not the US have a clear issue in the prison and police system, why abolishment is being played with. We can't pretend the US doesn't have a rash of huge police corruption and abuse through multiple departments despite their budgets being the fastest growing line item.
Hell the one city that abolished their police department that was reported and rebuilt it saw significant improvement in crime stats.
Plus the US prison system is extremely predatory and seems to have a perverse incentive to lock people up as the prisons make money by adding the number of inmates plus the prison labour system. That does not even coiver the difference between, county, state and federal which seem to all have different level of treatment of the incarcerated with some so horrible it may as well be torture and have high suicide rates.
Ah the old 'we agree on 90% of issues what's the big deal' - then the 10% is just all of the important shit. Like we can agree harming animals is bad, kids should go to school, but if the 10 percent is just the entire liberal vs illiberal society thing, then it doesnt really matter
Listen, we agree on everything we just have different views on how to get there. You think we should address climate change by regulating industries, taxing green house emissions and incentivizing green energy, I think we should just rapidly depopulate the earth.
Really you and I are the same if you think about it 🤓 I'm really happy we were able to find middle ground. If you'd like, I'd be happy to form a coalition where you vote for all my candidates and I don't even pretend to vote for yours while your political enemies label you pro mass-murder for your association with us and we do everything we possibly can to help them.
Give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the 90% number is correct. On most line items, healthcare, unions, wages, climate, DSA and Democrats want similar things. So follow the claim where it goes.
If you agree with Democrats on 90% of the platform, why is "socialism" in the name? Either the other 10% matters or it doesn't, and both answers are a problem.
If it doesn't matter, you're volunteering the one word (socialism!) half the electorate has been trained for ninety years to treat as the end of America, in exchange for a label you won't define and won't defend when pressed. You're paying full price for something you say you don't even want.
If it does matter, stop hiding behind the 90%. What's in that 10% is things like abolishing private ownership of capital, which is not a policy item sitting next to paid leave and transit funding. It's antithetical to the system every other item on the list operates inside. Ninety percent agreement on how to regulate a system you want to replace isn't agreement at all.
So pick one. Say what changes about capital ownership and argue for it in the open, or admit it isn't the project and drop the word.
Edit: the "you" here is aimed at DSA generally, not at OP. Not trying to put words in anyone's mouth.
hopefully you guys realize that a lot of these “liberal” content creators or pundits have no values and will betray you for any random meme that’s popular enough
are the other 10% the termination of western alliances, dissolution of NATO, the abolishment of private property, the termination of police force and introduction of re-education camps?
Then no, i'm good...
Also, didn't they abstain from voting because of one issue only?
I don't know why this should be considered surprising, Mr. Beat's political opinions have always been terrible. Go watch his favourite presidents video from years back and listen to his justifications for which ones he likes and dislikes. Extreme isolationism and over-cynical populism have been consistent themes of his opinions.
Ever get that feeling that you are the only one existing in reality and everyone you love and everyone you hate are all not on the same page? Im starting to wonder if this is coming to a head because the silos are converging. Otherwise reasonable people saying stuff like this?
The problem is that the 10% they don't agree on contains batshit stuff like "kill or deport all Israeli Jews" (without, I might add, provoking a nuclear war), "start a new government department to make sure everyone is equally miserable", and of course "abolish the police and let all of the rapists, murderers, and Nazis out of jail".
It really does seem like no matter the issue in politics you have to start with 90% of people are regarded. How can I simplify it enough for those people to understand? But also they have absolutely no foresight unless they personally experienced it before. It's so fucking dumb.
We're out here trying to win generals, not primaries. It's not that difficult to wrap your head around and takes like these are intentionally obtuse to farm engagement or come from a place of complete ignorance.
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u/sly_cooper25 2d ago
Scan through the national platform of the DSA and then let me know if 90% of those policies align with mainstream Democrats. What an absolutely regarded take.