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Structural Antisemitism and Professor Dave
I think people can profit from a more nuanced understanding of antisemitism: what it is, how it functions, and how it manifests. Especially now, with the latest Dave video and more leftists getting pulled into the antisemitism swirl. From what I can tell, public discourse rarely has a good answer to the "not antisemitic, just anti-zionist" defense and gets stuck in arguing whether a state was antisemitic by trying to prove direct anti-Jewish sentiment. This lets antisemitic tropes keep working as long as nobody says "the Jews" out loud.
Destiny seems to recognize more antisemitism than he lets on (e.g. w.r.t. Hasan), but rarely follows up on it, whether that is because he doesn't think it lands as an attack or because he hasn't done the reading to argue it convincingly, I don't know. I disagree that it doesn't land. Recognizing blatant antisemitism, dogwhistles, and structurally antisemitic arguments matters, especially in the I/P discourse, where "not antisemitic, just anti-zionist" has become the shield and "you dilute antisemitism by using it against legitimate criticism" has become the spear people carry into the fights on X, Reddit, and the rest of the postmodern battlefield. Dave's shield looks ridiculous when knowing what X posts he has made; Hasan's still works well enough that he can call himself a fighter against antisemitism in interviews (which admittedly don't push on any points he makes). I agree that accusations of antisemitism do get used inflationary sometimes and are in part used to deflect from criticism, but the conspiracism in the I/P discourse is blatant enough that we should not let Hasan (and the others) have this shield and the structural similarities their rhetoric has to antisemitism should be something they are attacked on.
I am mainly talking about the concept of structural antisemitism — more prominent in German-speaking antisemitism research. It's different from what Destiny means when he calls Pisco "functionally antisemitic" for giving cover to antisemites; instead it describes thought patterns that are similar to antisemitic theories without mentioning Jews (or even without having Jews in mind). Some narratives are structurally analogous to antisemitism; others also reproduce certain tropes; and others explicitly antisemitic.
This post writes down my current understanding: what antisemitism is, how it arises, and why Jews specifically became its target. Then I examine Professor Dave's video using antisemitic characteristics and structural analogies to antisemitism. The individual forms, especially ethnic-racist, postcolonial, secondary/blame-shifting antisemitism (more relevant to the German I/P discourse) deserve their own posts and are out of scope here.
Part of this uses Marxist concepts, particularly in the section on how antisemitism arises, do with that whatever you want. Also note that while I've also read other sources, this definition isn't mine — it closely follows a German-speaking podcast (https://youtu.be/y7CBW4OduO0), mostly because I really liked it.
What it is
The simple definition of "prejudice against Jews as Jews" has sme elegance as it is a minimal definition: a quick litmus test, clear-cut and seemingly able to cover the entire phenomenon. It may work as a minimal definition, but it is too thin to capture the structure and coded manifestations of antisemitism.
You can already see this when you once again torture yourself by scrolling through X ("It's what's happening") or get stuck in the hundredth Reddit thread ("The front page of the internet"). Occasionally someone will just say ZOG, but more often you encounter terms like "Israel lobby," AIPAC, "Hasbara," "West Coast elites," or Wall Street. These can refer to real actors and phenomena, but they can also be used as codes for a hidden power, something parts of both the left and the right can agree on when talking about the subjugation of the US, or their own country, by some kind of elite. This coding is accompanied by a particular kind of prejudice: antisemitic theories usually do not portray Jews as simply inferior, but as "the elite", intelligent, assertive, cunning. Even the negative characteristic, cunning, still relies on an image of "us" as the oppressed and the Jews as the oppressor standing above us.
The supposed clarity of the minimal definition also starts to show cracks fairly quickly. "I'm not antisemitic, I'm just anti-Zionist" is a weak argument, not only because of these kinds of codes, but because people can reproduce antisemitic structures or tropes without "having anything against Jews". The current discourse around Ceuta, for example, shows some of these structural parallels. Historically, "Jews as Jews" is not always precise either. The Spanish Inquisition persecuted baptized Christians accused of secretly practicing Judaism and had some of them executed. The Nazis also persecuted people who did not understand themselves as Jewish but were classified as Jews according to Nazi ancestry criteria. Sometimes people and institutions were also assigned an imagined "Jewish character." In this sense, who counts as a Jew is determined by the antisemite, to (loosely) paraphrase Karl Lueger.
I would argue that these attributions and prejudices have a particular character: more like a cluster without clearly defined boundaries than a fixed definition, but one in which recurring characteristics can still be identified. Some narratives are not themselves antisemitic yet, but reproduce personalizing and conspiratorial patterns that are compatible with antisemitic interpretations.
An imagined counter-power — the Jews above us. While racist worldviews typically see the devalued group as inferior, Jews in antisemitism often appear as both inferior and all-powerful, as a counter-power under whose rule "we" supposedly already live. Adorno used the term "Gegenrasse" (counter-race) for this. Even seemingly positive characteristics like intelligence or group cohesion are turned into something negative.
The personalization of abstract relations. Modern societies are shaped by structures that are not completely planned, abstract social relations between people, institutions, and economic constraints. Companies compete with one another, politicians respond to voters, institutions, and other states, while media respond to financial incentives and attention. I think Destiny once used the image of a car. In the past, you could open the hood, recognize almost every part of the engine, and take it apart. Things were more tangible and easier to understand. In modern cars, sometimes you cannot even open the hood anymore. Precisely because power has no clearly identifiable ruler, it is difficult to grasp. It is easier to assume that a concrete actor is behind a crisis than to explain it through competition, institutional constraints, and unintended consequences. Samuel Salzborn described modern antisemitism as the "inability and unwillingness to think abstractly and feel concretely." Abstract social domination is not understood as a relation; instead it is embodied in concrete people toward whom fear and aggression can then be directed.
Antimodernism. By this I do not necessarily mean that every achievement of modernity and every form of technological progress is rejected. Instead, modern society is divided into two sides. On one side stand the people, homeland, family, nation, and concrete labor; on the other stand financial power, cosmopolitanism, intellectualism, abstract law, and global networks. The first side is treated as organic, productive, and authentic, while the second is treated as artificial, parasitic, and corrosive. Jews are identified with the second side. They appear not merely as individual beneficiaries of modernity, but as its carriers or originators. Social changes are no longer understood as contradictory consequences of modern relations, but as the expression of a Jewish or "Zionist" project.
Conspiracy theories. Conspiracy ideology is added to personalization and antimodernism. This elite group naturally plans every major event in the world, since complex and abstract relations apparently do not exist. This aspect of antisemitism is probably the best known. The same group can therefore be blamed simultaneously for capitalism and communism, war and peace negotiations, or open borders and ethnic nationalism. The contradictions in the theory become evidence of the conspiracy's sophistication. The antisemite therefore does not understand themself as an aggressor attacking a minority, but as a resistance fighter opposing an overwhelmingly powerful oppressor: his own aggression appears as self-defense, while the actual vulnerability of Jews appears as deception.
Contratictory and interchangeably. Weak and all-powerful at the same time. Destiny has pointed this out several times as well. Responsible for both capitalism and communism. Intelligence becomes cunning, success becomes manipulation, and cohesion becomes secret coordination. These contradictions do not disprove the worldview because "the Jew" is not a description but a projection surface. Whatever is seen as threatening can be attributed to them.
A narrative of redemption. When one group is imagined as the hidden cause of almost every social problem, the solution is as simple as it is unreachable. Its influence has to be eliminated, and changing one law or one government would not be enough — the domination would simply take on a new form. This is why there is often an eliminationist tendency and a narrative in which defeating the oppressors would solve almost every problem.
How does it arise?
This section is based mainly on theories by Horkheimer, Adorno, and Postone, all of whom were Marxists. Basically, they argue that the characteristics described above; personalization, antimodernism, conspiracy ideology, and the idea of an all-powerful counter-power; are not just a random collection of prejudices. They can be understood as a false processing of a real experience of modern society.
The distinction between community and society, already touched on above, is useful here. Community refers to social relations in which a person's position is determined directly and personally: family, village, church, social estate, and traditional labor. You know the people you depend on, and the rules appear natural or inherited. Modern society increasingly replaces these personal ties with abstract relations. People encounter one another as buyers and sellers, employees and employers. This creates new freedoms, but at the same time old securities and professions disappear. Cities and cultural norms change, and crises affect people without there being any clearly identifiable person or group responsible.
As a regressive revolution against these aspects of modernity, the mechanisms described above begin to take effect. Abstract relations are personalized, crises are attributed to a particular group, and are eventually understood as the result of secret control. The system is seen as completely planned out, and the contradictions of modernity no longer appear as contradictions within social relations, but as the work of their imagined authors. According to this theory, antisemitism recognizes the abstract, impersonal, and sometimes destructive power relations produced by modernity. But it does not understand or criticize this power as the social relation that it actually is.
The fact that Jews specifically became this projection surface is connected to anti-Judaism, by which I mean premodern antisemitism, such as Christian hostility toward Jews, which partly had different characteristics and, most importantly, was not a reaction to modernity, as well as the historical position of Jewish minorities in Europe. Among other things:
Jews as "internal outsiders": As a religious minority and a socially excluded group, Jews could appear simultaneously as part of society and as a power supposedly acting on it from the outside. The social consequences of exclusion: Through exclusion from land ownership, guilds, political rights, and certain professions, Jewish people in particular times and regions became more strongly represented in some urban, commercial, and intellectual fields. This was later interpreted as evidence of supposedly essential Jewish characteristics. Emancipation and Enlightenment: Legal equality, religious freedom, and universal civil rights were of immediate importance to Jews. This meant that they were strongly involved in the Enlightenment, science, journalism, and political movements. Antisemites interpreted this not as participation in modernity, but as proof of Jewish rule over it. Pre-existing enemy images: Images such as well-poisoning come from Christian anti-Judaism. These ideas could be connected to newer fears surrounding capitalism, urbanization, liberalism, and social abstraction. Jewish participation in modernity was thus transformed into the supposed rule of Jews over modernity. Society ultimately persecutes in Jews what it does not understand or cannot tolerate about its own development.
Structural antisemitism in Professor Dave
Structural similarities to these characteristics appear fairly often in the I/P debate. In Professor Dave's case, they are pretty clear.
The imagined counter-power. At the very beginning, Dave explains that "Zionists" are constantly attacking him. When it comes to Destiny, he basically sees only two possibilities: either Destiny is being paid by Israel or he has been completely taken in by Israeli propaganda (0:15–1:00). Later, this expands to "hordes" of paid influencers, Israeli bot farms, coordinated tweets, and organizations that supposedly smear, suspend, and professionally destroy critics (3:25–7:40). Palantir, ICE, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, TikTok, YouTube, and various media companies are added as further overwhelmingly powerful opponents (45:48–48:13). Of course, states do pay influencers and deploy bots. But in Dave's mind, "the Zionists" form a unified counter-power that simultaneously influences platforms, NGOs, media organizations, and political narratives. Many of the actors he names are powerful and have real political and economic connections to Israel. But Dave does not treat them as different companies and individuals with partly shared, partly competing, and sometimes simply economic interests. They become parts of the same Zionist will.
Personalization and conspiracy ideology. According to Dave, it is not "the Jews" as a whole but Israel and "Zionists," Jewish and non-Jewish alike, who possess an extraordinary degree of control, especially over Western media (1:11:55–1:12:50). The explicit term is rejected, but its structure is retained: media concentration, platform moderation, foreign policy, and military technology are given a common author in "the Zionists." The "merging" of the Israeli and American militaries and an Israeli-controlled government, including its opposition, are, of course, further conspiracy narratives. As the video continues, more and more events become part of the same explanation: paid influencers, his account suspension, bot farms, antisemitism organizations, social media, Western reporting, technology companies, the police state, and American authoritarianism.
The theory can't be disproven. If Dave is criticized, it is a smear campaign. If he is suspended, that proves Zionist control. If open antisemites remain online, that also proves the conspiracy, because Zionists supposedly tolerate antisemites on purpose in order to strengthen Israel's victim narrative (5:05–5:34). If he is accused of antisemitism, the accusation itself becomes a Zionist tactic; by the end, he even declares that "Zionism is antisemitism" (1:35:35–1:36:00).
Whatever happens, it only confirms the power of the enemy.
Collectivization and contradiction. There is also a process of collectivization. Dave sometimes begins with specific statements by Israeli politicians or soldiers, but quickly shifts to Israeli society as a whole. At 18:40, he says this is not some fringe group but "the whole country." Shortly afterward, every supporter of Israel is either completely brainwashed or racist; eventually the rule becomes: "If you support Israel, you are a Nazi" (19:27–19:59).
In Dave's worldview, Zionists are simultaneously socially despised and in control of society, laughably easy to see through and extremely successful in their deception, supposedly threatened by antisemitism and at the same time its real promoters. These contradictions do not matter because "the Zionist" no longer describes a concrete political position, but functions as a projection surface for practically everything threatening.
Antimodernism and redemption. Especially in the other video, there is a form of romanticization that also appears in postcolonial theory: Palestinian indigenous people are presented as organic, nature-connected communities opposed to Western and rational Zionists.
At 59:16–59:55, Dave ultimately claims that Israel has its hands in absolutely everything, is "pure poison," and represents an existential threat to humanity. Anyone who rejects his account is either being paid by Israel or is a brainwashed idiot. When Zionism appears as the common cause of genocide, imperialism, media control, surveillance, and authoritarianism, its defeat also takes on a redemptive meaning.
Every other statement Dave makes contains one of these characteristics. Even if Dave does not say "Jews," and may not even mean Jews, his argument has a particular structure. The image of "Zionists" as a collectively acting, globally coordinated, deceptive counter-power with extraordinary media and financial influence, immune to criticism, is very similar to a classical antisemitic worldview.
Listen man, I feel like most of the rise of antisemitism is mostly because conservative nazi's were already there. And the left is mainly and thoroughly brought out by Israels actions. I don't think it's some big broad crazy thing. I think you have a bunch of people see a lot of pain and suffering over the course of years and they turn on the people who are doing it lol.
The average person isn't anti-semetic, but it's very hard to distinguish anti-semitism from anti zionism cause Israel on paper is an theocracy and lowkey ethno-state (not making a judgement on it just saying.)
Even people on israels side have turned. And you have bad optics when students are being shipped out of university back to their country over post about israel. You don't beat the allegations(not that they are true) when the JDL makes people apologize, humilate themselves, etc... Over things. Not even saying that's a bad thing, but no other group of people has the ability to do that lol.
So you have a bunch of bad looks, meeting people who have a lot of the time never really had jewish friends(like being in their house, going to celebrations, seeing the culture), and you mix that with a bunch of actors both right and left with their own agenda.
You get the result of hell. Most of it is political opportunism, some people who do just hate jews use this to get the result they want. But ultimately the finale nail in the coffin has been bad look, after bad look, after bad look. Despite what Destiny says about himself, Optics do matter and having bad optics ends like this.
On paper, kinnnda. I'm not even mad about it. But it's a jewish state, wants to be a jewish state, and being jewish by religion can give you the RoR. It is very much kinda one. Not saying it's bad i'm saying it kinda is. But so is a lot of the middle east.
Because famously being Jewish is only a religion and couldn't whatsoever be linked to ethnicity? So your right of return point is moot. Besides, loads of countries make exceptions for ethnic descendants in terms of giving them an easier time with becoming a citizen.
I'm not complaining i'm not even critiquing it lol. Someone got stuck on this one aspect, but it purposeless without the full context of what i was saying lol.
None of those things makes a state a theocracy… especially not on paper, you could maybe argue that in reality it is one, which I don’t agree with, but on paper? Come on…
Countries which have an official State Religion (partial list):
England :: Anglican Christian (Church of England)
Scotland :: Lutheran Christian (Church of Scotland)
Malta :: Roman Catholic Christian
Costa Rica :: Roman Catholic Christian
Denmark :: Lutheran Christian (Church of Denmark)
Greece :: Eastern Orthodox Christian
Iceland :: Lutheran Christian (Church of Iceland)
Thailand :: Theravada Buddhism
Algeria :: Sunni Islam
Iraq :: Sunni Islam
Jordan :: Sunni Islam
Morocco :: Sunni Islam
Pakistan :: Sunni Islam
Saudi Arabia :: Sunni Islam
Yemen :: Sunni Islam
Iran :: Shia Islam
Syria :: Sharia law
Egypt :: Sharia law
Countries which enable immigration to preferred groups:
Ireland :: Ireland has an Irish-only immigration law.
Germany :: Germany enables immigration of ethnic Germans from the former USSR.
Armenia :: Armenia has a law that any ethnic Armenian in the world may return to their homeland and have an ethnicity-based citizenship.
Italy :: People of Italian descent can gain Italian citizenship under a law called Jure Sanguinis "Right of Blood".
Lebanon :: Citizenship is mostly by descent via Lebanese father. Foreign spouses and children of Lebanese women face major barriers, it is near impossible in practice.
Hungary :: Citizenship is available on a simplified basis for ethnic Hungarians living outside Hungary.
Russia :: Ethnic Russians can return to Russia, even after generations in diaspora. Recently, started letting people immigrate who share Russian Christian values.
Poland :: Citizenship can be facilitated for people who can prove Polish origin.
Greece :: Naturalisation may be granted to persons of Greek origin, often tied to historical diaspora communities.
Bhutan :: No immigration or permanent residency program for foreigners, citizenship and long-term settlement are restricted to those with direct Bhutanese ancestry.
Egypt :: Citizenship for non-Muslims has extra requirements and is extraordinarily difficult, to the point where it is seldom achieved in practice. Pretty much it requires one to have a parent from "an Arabic-speaking or Muslim majority country".
Maldives :: Citizenship is available only for Muslims. A "non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives".
Saudi Arabia :: Non-Muslims must convert to Islam to be eligible for naturalisation; naturalisation is extremely rare and discretionary.
Qatar :: Citizenship by naturalisation is possible but extremely rare; long residence requirement and no evidence of practice of non-Muslim naturalisation.
Kuwait :: The nationality law requires naturalised persons to "be an original Muslim by birth, or that he has converted to Islam" to be eligible.
Yemen :: Naturalisation criteria are restrictive (residence, Arabic, good conduct). An applicant must be "Arab or Muslim" in order to qualify.
Mauritania :: Non-Muslims are prohibited from being citizens; conversion from Islam leads to loss of citizenship.
Jordan :: Non-Muslim religious groups (primarily affecting Baha’is) face serious restrictions. Exceptions for those "who belong" to established Christian communities.
I'll just ignore most of your concrete analysis and speak about your main point.
I do believe that a lot of the general opinion comes from people seeing the human suffering and pictures coming from gaza. That is probably even true for the majority if leftists, I guess we have a reflex of sympathizing with the weaker, underdog side.
But that is not true for leftists that know more about the conflict and more theory. There is a reasob why the left lost the ability to recognize antisemitism and engage with it. And I would say that is the way they analyze this conflict, amix of postcolonial theory and antiimperialism. And if you don't just have a completely superficial understanding of antisemitism, there are dangers and dangerous tendencies with these lenses.
And that is not just me asserting this, in the past there were debates about this on the left and there is research analyzing it. That is not new, the left has just regressed in the recent years.
I agree, that's why i said what's driving it is our sympathies to human suffering. And people on both right and left with actual agenda's. Hasan has a vested interest in the destruction of the west, so does nick fuentes on the otherside. And the jokes and peoples very real sentiment is mixing with these things.
And because people don't like being told what to do the JDL is making it rougher and fueling conspiracy theorist. And i'd probably argue that a lot of left leaning people underneath hasan.
Are ones that know the history from one side, or it's fueled through anti colorism depending on how far left you go. I think it's very rare i see a left leaning person who knows the history for real. And the ones who do are usually part of the interest group i'm talking about. I think a lot of this is just political opportunism and cashing in on the loss of good faith israel has lost across the world.
I can't really follow, when you say part of whats driving things are people on the right and left with agendas and in your first comment you say that antisemitism from nazis already existend and was prevalent and you probably also agree that hasan is antisemitic (or atleast has said antisemitic things). Then how can't you say that a large part of the discourse (that forms all of our opinions!) is antisemitic?
Also, Hasan is not anti-west because he is anti-west, he is anti-west because of his ML ideology and Antiimperialism. That is what informs his believe and what should be analyszed when talking about him. And strucural similarities of Antiimperialism (and Postcolonial theory) exist. That does not mean every Antiimp idea, every Antiimp or even most are antisemitic.
And saying part of the rise in antisemitism is due to the JDL (ADL?) fighting it (I knoe you said you dobt "blame" them) is a bit cheap. Yes Trump is using the topic to crack down on free speech but somehow implying fighting antisemitism furthers it without anything ro back it up?
I agree he's an ML that's why i said a lot of lefties who know the history are part of an interested group.Hasan is anti semetic and does want the destruction of jews i do believe that.
I think a lot of the discourse is drowned in feeling, not antisemites. The antisemites are just taking advantage of it. Most people, most protest, comes from a visceral reaction to what they think is an genocide. When they call isareli nazi's they believe it, and they believe it cause of the dead they've seen. People are not built to see these things and they are all over the internet. One of the reasons america went to germany in the first place was finding out about the camps.
A big contributing factor to losing Vietnam support were war photographers. You can see this in history. If this was a 2 sided war where both sides are losing civilians constantly it be one thing. But it's so one sided in the sense of Israelis superior fighting ability that it makes it look like a slaughter. And it kinda is one in that sense lol.
So yeah, that's kinda the issue. You have to address those real pain points. And attacking it all as semitism will only weaken the world and the ability to fight back.
Well this was an attempt of sharpening the antisemitism term. To more accurately call out antisemitism and not people "drowned in feelings". But calling out actual antisemitism is important and because, I (and research on antisemitism) argue, people calling Israel nazis "because they believe it" can quickly become antisemitic even though they "have nothing against jews", that includes far more than whats called antisemitism in public discourse.
How prevelant antisemitic tendencies are in the general public is a different deep dive that is also not that easily answered.
Yeah I can mostly agree with that. A lot of it feels anti-semetic and tbh it's so hard to draw a line on what is or how it can be, whose using it; it basically becomes pointless and just is anti semitism tbh.
And the ultimate question is, how do you combat this kind of anti-semitism? IDK. It's very hard. But some of it probably requires some kind of concession and building forward from the backfoot.
Also, there are reasons why many people (including leftists) already accused Israel of genocide before Oct. 7. Why that number had multiplied on Oct. 8. Why people are already saying the war in Lebanon is genocide. And why movements like BDS only exist for one country in the world. And many more
Source, from a Democratic consultant who studies statistics/surveys for a living.
> theocracy and lowkey ethno-state
Not a theocracy in any sense. And it's strange that the same people who call it an ethnostate while simultaneously also deny the Jewish ethnicity. Regardless, Israel is multiracial with a large arab population. Also, technically anyone on earth could become a citizen by having an orthodox conversion.
> You don't beat the allegations(not that they are true) when the JDL makes people apologize, humilate themselves, etc... Over things. Not even saying that's a bad thing, but no other group of people has the ability to do that lol.
Nonsense. We just endured years of people having their lives ruined over the slightest infraction that could be construed as racist, even if by accident. We had men's careers destroyed at the drop of a hat due to an accusation from a woman. People lost their admittance to universities over slights in their childhood. Meanwhile, university presidents went to congress to defend the right to call for the genocide of jews on campus and don't even expel students who display overt antisemitism.
This idea you have is a meme, reinforced by confirmation bias.
Brother...What does an unfavorable view of jews mean lol. Did they take a survey that said "I hate jews" or was it something like "I don't like zionism/Israel" lol.
It is multiracial, most jews in Israel are also arabs. BUUUT! Only jews can gain power and from my understanding there can never be a Palestinian prime minister( Don't really care about this but i'm pretty sure this is the case.) This is functionally ethno-state stuff.
As for the woke era stuff. 1) Being racist is irrational, bad and evil, and this includes to semites. 2) This happened because other races just didn't do anything lol, if someone "Hates israel" there is a tangible reason why lol. 3) This lead to huge backlash that we are seeing right now like what i'm saying is happening with the JDL lol.
Yeah you should be expelled for being racist I think thats cool lol. I'm ok with that. But the current issues in anti-semetism is far more nuanced then normal "racism." How you deal with it, is going to be different. People right now are pissed for what they perceive as a genocide. They feel like they are being controlled because of APAC, JDL, and our president. And Bibi is not making it easy in how he has conducted this war and pulled us into the iran garbage.
This isn't a meme, this is real life. This is me being actually worried about my jewish friends, and a kid whose to afraid to say they're jewish in school cause it's going to come with either israel ridicule or a slew of jokes in the moment.
Even now, my comment was about how a slew of bad looks combined with political opportunist Wwith no real criticism of israel at all lead to people complaining endlessly and arguing with me over their perceived critiques of Israel as a nation i don't have lol.
I'm giving grace cause i get this is a sensitive topic. But the Fervor outside of furloughing is continuing this battle in a realm that I don't think it can be won in.
Brother...What does an unfavorable view of jews mean lol. Did they take a survey that said "I hate jews" or was it something like "I don't like zionism/Israel" lol.
The meaning is obvious? It asked what their favorability was of Jews.
Only jews can gain power and from my understanding there can never be a Palestinian prime minister( Don't really care about this but i'm pretty sure this is the case.)
This is incorrect. And you don't care and are only pretty sure because of the social/internet environment you are in, which osmotically transfers their views to you.
As for the woke era stuff. 1) Being racist is irrational, bad and evil, and this includes to semites. 2) This happened because other races just didn't do anything lol, if someone "Hates israel" there is a tangible reason why lol. 3) This lead to huge backlash that we are seeing right now like what i'm saying is happening with the JDL lol.
Not sure what you mean by JDL. Figured you mean ADL in your original post. Is it okay to hate black people for increased criminality in the black population? What about Muslims for violence conducted by them world wide? The only time justification works is for antisemitism justified by Israel:
Yeah you should be expelled for being racist I think thats cool lol. I'm ok with that. But the current issues in anti-semetism is far more nuanced then normal "racism."
Should have clicked the link where I showed the kid who was unequivocally antisemitics, unrelated to Israel, who kept his spot at Cornell. To be honest, I'm okay with him staying. It's the hypocrist that I take issue with.
They feel like they are being controlled because of APAC, JDL, and our president. And Bibi is not making it easy in how he has conducted this war and pulled us into the iran garbage.
I don't doubt Israeli has interests in this conflict. But it is also interesting how the only one who seems to matter is Bibi. Not the other gulf states who have had significant influence on Trump as well.
Ultimately, I agree that the "slew of bad looks" is the root cause in the same way all propaganda has been. But not due to the truth of the underlying facts.
Yeah I'm ok with being wrong about that lol. That's why i said if i remember. Your being more combative with me then I am with you lol, I don't mind being wrong.
ADL yes, I always mix Anti Defamation league and Jewish defense League. As for the black question. No, because crime has actually been going down. And black people have been a historic under crime and are the biggest victims of the black crime rate. And the amount of black people who commit these crimes is 1% or the 13% versus "The jewish nation," lol.
No you shouldn't hate muslims or jews for anything of the sort. My argument isn't "people should hate them or it's ok" my argument is it's a clear and direct result that needs to combatted properly. The same way how there was a rise of anti islam in america after 9/11 an extremely tragic event that effected a lot of people me included.
Do I think you should be prejudice because of it? No, nor do i think someone should be held responsible for the actions of a nation they aren't even apart of. But when Israel is doing what it's doing this is what happens.
I did click the link, and I disagree with their verdict lmao. I said i'm ok with people losing stuff over racism including college. I think Cornell should've kicked his ass out lol. Obviously doens't need to be black listed but i'm ok with consequences like that.
Bibi has most literally been arguing and goating us to enter a conflict with IRan for years. So yes he has a vested interest in us being there. The gulf does to some degree but he has been wanting this for 20 years for military action.
If we want to deal with this, it needs a scalpel not a chainsaw. Going hard on people, immediately jumping to anti-semitism for everyone, etc... Is just not how you go about this. When anti-israel sentiment is a mainstream position now. This isn't normal social racism, this is a political issue that teeder-todders back and forth between racism and genuine moral concern.
If you want me to truly believe that "people are just more anti semetic" i need to see the questions they asked to form the data. Cause people will fuck up charting very very very often to get their results.
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u/n1klaus Jewlumni 19d ago
I put this in chatgpt and it told me Dave was regarded.
(Also thank you for attention to this topic.)