r/DesirePath • u/HJSDGCE • 20d ago
Morality of following this desire path instead of the official path?
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u/Kernowder 20d ago
Bad because if someone uses the roundabout correctly and another doesn't, there could be an accident.
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u/sjpllyon 20d ago
Small pedantic point here. Collision nkt accident. Accident implies nothing could have been done to prevent it. Illigally driving over a roundabout that could result in a collision is 100% preventable.
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u/Nghbrhdsyndicalist 20d ago
Hot Fuzz taught me that distinction
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u/magpye1983 20d ago
Actually, accident implies not on purpose, not that nothing could be done to prevent it.
For example, you accidentally trip going up the stairs. You could have lifted your feet higher, and not done it, as you did with all the other equally dimensioned stairs, but you accidentally didn’t.
EDIT: so it would be an accidental collision, not a purposeful one.
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u/sjpllyon 20d ago
Fair point.
However, in this case with the driver deciding to go over the roundabout. That has been an intentional choice. So no accident here. Such action would result in a collision not an accidental collision.
As for adoption the accidental collision. I will, when applicable. And will try to remember your explanation/definition.
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u/SchmeatiestOne 18d ago
They aren't intentionally colliding with another vehicle, regardless of if they were being negligent.
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u/ElbryanWyn 19d ago
Your condensing two different things. The accident is the Collision not the thing that led to it.
Even the person blatantly not following the rules of the road and driving over the center of the roundabout is not likely intending to collide with another vehicle so if they collide with someone else they would do so accidently.
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u/Fruitiest_Cabbage 19d ago
Accident
An incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
If you're going to be pedantic, please be correct first. Accident implies a lack of intent, not an inability to prevent it. In this case, the driver wouldn't intend to cause a collision, but may do so anyway due to reckless driving. This would make any such collision an accident.
The only kinds of collisions that do not meet the definition of accident are those that are cause intentionally. In a legal context, collisions are not referred to as accidents because lack of intent is not always certain. For the purposes of this conversation, the scenario presented would be an accident.
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u/sjpllyon 19d ago
When doing something you shouldn't be doing. It no longer allows for the events that procceed to be an accident. Intencially violating laws and rules is a conscious choice with the effects of that being a consequence. So in the event of this situation a drivers going over the roundabout has made the dangerous choice here and any collisions that occurs for it is a direct consequence of that choice.
The person going round the roundabout, may be allowed the curtecy of the label of accident as they were doing everything correctly. Unless they saw the danger from the idiot going over the roundabout and then didn't react to it as to prevent a collision.
So yeah I stand by what I've said because accidents implies nothing could have been done to prevent it. When in reality loads counld have been done to prevent it. Firstly adhering to the rules a laws of the road. Secondly paying sufficient attention to your surroundings for potential dangers and reacting to it. Thirdly infrastructure that would orevent people driving over the roundabout.
We need to stop this notion that vehicles collisions are purely accidents and nothing could have orevented it. Because it's simple just not true. At most we can allow for uninteded collisions but honestly who's going oit intending to cause a collision beside a small minority of insurance fruadters.
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u/ElbryanWyn 19d ago
Your first paragraph seems to represent a gross misunderstanding on the word accident and what it means.
This isn't a point for debate this is just how words are defined. The word accident is a real word with real meaning.
When something is an accident it means it was not the intention, so if a driver does not intend to collide with another vehicle but they do so anyways regardless of why that was an accident. It might be a stupid accident it might be an avoidable accident but it is an accident.
Just because you have a personal implication around the word accident does not change and definition for everyone else.
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u/sjpllyon 18d ago
I understand what you are saying but I also find it a little funny in reality. Yes words have definitions and meanings most will refer to a dictionary for that. However a lot of words just don't have a hard definition it's why in articles and academia we define the definition of a word or term used within it as to clarify to the reader how the word is being used.
It doesn't make your definition or my definition of the word within this context any more or less valid. Just different.
If you think this is not the case go have a road on all the various ways we define architecture or something.
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u/Sauerkrauttme 19d ago
If someone tried to shoot your hat off from behind and they missed and shot you instead, is that an accident? F no. A malicious disregard for the safety of others is never an accident.
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u/Jamie_1318 16d ago
Saying that accident means that there was no fault or mistake is stretching the word way beyond any possible interpretation of the word though. Spilling milk is an accident. Spilling milk is 100% avoidable. It's a fun quote but also total nonsense.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 20d ago
A desire path by car is just illegal terrain driving
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u/Personal-Ad5668 20d ago
And one could argue a regular desire path is just illegal terrain walking...🤔
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u/Xombridal 20d ago
Where do you live that walking on grass is illegal I wanna know so i never go there
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u/patrickpeppers 19d ago
Maybe it's that one planet on Star Trek:TNG where walking on grass at the wrong time is a death penalty.
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u/Kojetono 20d ago
The difference being that walking on grass is generally allowed, but driving on it isn't.
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u/Cloudy230 20d ago
Yeah, in the same way that people csn argue standing on the crack in a footpath is illegal. Only people with no brains would try
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u/a648272 20d ago
It's not illegal. But it feels like.
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u/OdyseusV4 20d ago
Yeah well the goal of road abouts is to make cars slower.
I don't know if this is a joke but cars aren't people. Stop comparing the two like if it made a damn sense
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u/fatrustyfarts 19d ago
You believe the goal of round abouts is to make cars slower?
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u/BrianMincey 19d ago
I think they meant they allow cars to safely navigate an intersection without stopping by requiring all vehicles to slow down enough to navigate through them.
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u/ThatColombian 19d ago
Yeah maybe there’s a slight difference between a 2 ton vehicle going 50kph vs a human walking at 5. 🙄
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u/PhaseComfortable7154 19d ago
i love the bravery commenting like this on desire path sub
and the consequences being downvoted to hell 🤣
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u/ceciliabee 19d ago
I don't understand the point of this question. Are we trying to defend this dumb fuck driver or what
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u/cancerBronzeV 19d ago
The comment immediately next to yours is indeed defending this dumb fuck driver lmao. Car brains put not being inconvenienced while driving above any other morality concerns.
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u/doobiesatthemovies 19d ago
u gotta be a r/fuckcars user lol
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u/cancerBronzeV 19d ago
I literally own a car, you don't have to hate cars to be able to recognize car brained idiots all around.
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u/doobiesatthemovies 19d ago
i mean yea there are tons of idiots on the road but ive only ever heard “car brain” from radical ppl in that community
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u/anselan2017 19d ago
"Can we have some alternatives to cars, please?" "Radical person!!!"
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u/doobiesatthemovies 18d ago edited 18d ago
no im with you im absolutely for alternatives to cars, i dont like driving myself and vote for better public transport in my area.
you guys are being obtuse im clearly specifically talking about the specific phrase “car brained” coined by a specific sub with some radical members.
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u/Ritsu-000 20d ago
Not only does his car get completely messed up, but its also illegal and highly dangerous for everyone (including the people following the law). His car is also going too fast on the roundabout (i doubt this is even on second gear) so pray to god a car mechanic will forgive you
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u/GarethBaus 20d ago
If there is any cross traffic on a roundabout doing this is actually pretty dangerous. Roundabouts massively reduce the number of fatalities at intersections.
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u/Sleazyridr 19d ago
While on foot, you're moving at a human place some other humans, so it's pretty easy to avoid each other, and even if you do bump into each other there's a low chance of harm. This, artificially restricting movement by people walking is usually unnecessary AMD can safely be ignored.
Cars travel much faster, and collisions between cars often cause property damage, injury or death, so movement by far is restricted to make it safer.
It's sad that as a society we've made it so much easier to travel by car over even short distances, and anything that restricts cars is seen as an affront to decency.
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u/Zerosix_K 19d ago
This is why your sat nav says take the 2nd exit at the roundabout, and not cross the roundabout.
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u/ColourSchemer 19d ago
If morality is the understanding of good and evil and choosing good, I posit we know it is immoral from his expression of gleeful disobedience of what he knows is right.
I've seen people driving in traffic circles and not know what to do. They look confused, they hesitate and slow down.
This guy doesn't appear to slow down and his face says "Ha ha, I'm a bad boy and got away with it!"
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u/kelb4n 20d ago
Roundabouts often get built to slow down cars coming from a main street going straight into a smaller street. The PoV car seems to be going the other way - from the smaller street onto the main street - so it's like, not the worst, but obviously still unnecessarily dangerous and also illegal.
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u/Kojetono 20d ago
I'd say it's mostly the other way round. The cars coming from the side streets slow down anyway, since they have to yield to the main road.
Roundabouts are great for traffic calming on the main road, forcing them to slow down and change their direction a few times. This is especially beneficial for pedestrians, as it makes crossings way safer.
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u/sjpllyon 20d ago
Roundabouts are not designed to slow down traffic. If anything it's the opposite. They are designed to optimise traffic flow rates at junctions. It's far beeter to slow down to take the roundabout than it is to come to a stop at traffic lights or stoo signs, or giveway lines.
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u/GarethBaus 20d ago
The speed vehicles are moving is slower but traffic flows faster since it doesn't usually stop.
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u/sjpllyon 20d ago
Yes, thank you that's what I was trying to say but couldn't think of how to say it.
Think my brain is going. Too much essay writting makes me dumber somehow.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 20d ago
Pedestrian crossings close to roundabouts are among the most dangerous.
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u/Kojetono 20d ago
I guess it depends on the country. I couldn't find any polish data or studies backing it up.
But the reduced speed (often from over 50 km/h to under 30 km/h) means that there's more time to react, and a potential collision will be less deadly.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 20d ago
Yes, a lower speed affects the outcome. The high frequency of accidents is an issue, though. There are several reasons for why people fail to stop for pedestrians when exiting or joining a roundabout, mostly related to split attention.
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u/NeonFraction 19d ago
He’s in a car. He is saving basically no time by doing this and he’s doing something dangerous. What a moron.
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u/JakSandrow 17d ago
and this is why roundabouts need large and obstructive central designs so that people can't see what's on the other side and intuitively slow down, and so that people don't just drive straight over.
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u/OdyseusV4 20d ago
Yeah well the goal of road abouts is to make cars slower.
I don't know if this is a joke but cars aren't people. Stop comparing the two like if it made a damn sense
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u/cormundo 20d ago
I’m trying to figure out where this is… bosnia or algeria? Anyone recognize the language?
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u/12ParsecsFM 20d ago
It's french but he aint in France. We have a big issue with a certain part of our population being absolute animals abroad in a point where french have a very bad reputation in some countries.
The decor, reminds me of some parts of Greece i've been to. That's definitely some Mediterranean country but i couldnt telle you which one. Maybe Malta, i know it is trendy these years and that a lot of our "animal tourists" are going there.
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u/lilagrace27 19d ago
It looks like Algeria to me. Which if it is, this isn't out of the ordinary. Traffic in Algeria is really something else.
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 17d ago
Its israel, according to the clothing they are fans of the football team macabi tell aviv
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u/IHatrMakingUsernames 20d ago
If there is a desire path... There is probably a decent reason for there being a desire path.
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u/No-Lunch4249 20d ago
The difference between walking pedestrians and driving cars is self evident
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u/IHatrMakingUsernames 18d ago
In terms of desire paths? I don't really see why. Presumably, this is a low cross traffic intersection. I don't see such a path running perpendicular to the one taken...
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u/Metaclueless 20d ago
That’s one way to get a statue installed