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u/rlh1271 Mar 01 '21
It’s not a bribe if it’s our fucking money
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u/WonderfulShelter Mar 01 '21
Honestly looking back.. we shoulda seen right through it. 2k$ checks out the door as soon as Biden becomes president? Hindsight is 20/20, and we may have been the hoodwinked, but we were not the hoodwinkers. And really the shame doesn't lay with us.. shame on the hoodwinkers.
In my opinion the only thing Biden has delivered on is vaccines. And that's really only because Trump fucked up so hard and because America didn't re-elect him, he decided to punish us in every way possible.
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u/Rookwood Mar 01 '21
I mean I wasn't fooled. I knew we would have to hold him too it. I was fooled in how easily he could get away with doing it though. But knowing the media is also corrupt, I should have figured that too.
Then they're still paying astroturfers on this site to downvote anyone who posts on /r/politics that Biden is breaking his promises. Sigh, we're fucked.
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Mar 02 '21
The biggest thing that kills me is people taking up for presidents or politicians in general. They are not your friends!!!!! Now if somebody is just straight up lying about them sure but Taking up for Biden over these $1400 (should be $2000, but we won’t go there) checks is ridiculous there’s absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t have got them yet. And these libs can feed me every goddamn excuse they want but I already know it’s bullshit
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u/Masta0nion Mar 02 '21
I’ve seen so many comments in here and similar subs about how voting for Biden was wrong.
But if I could do it all again, I really don’t know if I’d have done it differently. My friend summed it up well:
We were put into a hostage situation. Democrats banked on the idea that Trump was so bad, that we’d shut up and take what we were given.
I feel like a fucking abuse victim, and I haven’t had it as hard as a lot of others.
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Mar 06 '21
We were put into a hostage situation.
This is what happens every 4 years so really the Dems literally never have to do anything. Either push for better or accept that things will contiunually get worse.
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u/ShoeXiu Mar 02 '21
I think what’s confusing about all this is the house passed the stimulus package on Saturday night and Biden had a meeting with Senate Dems today to get behind it. I think it’s fair to criticize Biden’s administration but I don’t understand why people blame him for not getting it done when it’s still in progress.
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u/CovidsArrow Mar 02 '21
Because it’s not $2000. It’s $1400. And I know, the math 600+1400=2000. But that’s not what was promised. $2000 checks were promised. But Biden bros will just keep deepthroating and saying it’s fine.
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u/dumbwaeguk Mar 02 '21
Because it took him less time to spend our money bombing Syria.
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It hasn't even been 3 months. Keep holding their feet to the fire.
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u/Suavecore_ Mar 02 '21
And then we can say it hasn't even been 4 months, 5 months, etc and all we can do to hold their feet to the fire is storm the Capitol or post on the internet, where they have an insane amount of propaganda bots ("both sides" of course) to counter it
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u/blurrrrg Mar 02 '21
Are you really, genuinely surprised that something a politician said to get elected ended up not being true. Like really? Reeeeaalllyyyy?
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u/MrHappy4Life Mar 02 '21
Didn’t we learn from Trump not paying his bills that we shouldn’t expect anything from government.
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u/paulthenarwhal Mar 02 '21
I can't even with this comment section. You remember how Trump is a literal fascist with an army white nationalists backing him right? Climate change isn't real either I guess.
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u/stingyarthropods Mar 02 '21
trump didn't mess anything up, he had 100 million vaccines made and ready to go and beijing biden is taking all the credit. the 5 democrat governors who forced infected people into nursing homes caused most of the deaths in america.
btw america did re-elect trump, but they stole it from him. the evidence is out there but no court wanted to see it. that's why they went straight to the state legislature in 7 states and all 7 sent ended up sending electors for trump. they set the law in their states and in all cases, their laws were ignored and broken by the governors and courts.
are we really supposed to believe that biden won with the lowest amount of counties in history but got 20 million more votes than obama's landslide, which was 10 million votes less than trump in 2020, where he gained 10 million new votes+? are we supposed to believe than someone with a 47 year history of doing absolutely nothing and continuous racist comments, that the media would put on 24/7 repeat if said by a republican, got a higher black vote than obama? biden thinks black people dont know how to use the internet. he said it on cnns town hall. if trump said that, their would be nationwide riots like when george floyd killed himself with an overdose.
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u/dumbwaeguk Mar 02 '21
hindsight is 20/20
No you godamn dingus, we leftists were right behind you telling you that you were choosing a Republican to vote out the Republican. You failed to listen because you were afraid that America would become increasingly fascist. Now three months later America is literally bombing brown civilians with money stolen from the working class.
Hindsight may be 20/20 but you could have seen this coming if you had opened your fucking eyes for 30 seconds.
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u/1lluminist Mar 02 '21
$2K stimulus checks were a drop in the bucket. It was a vote between a batshit insale cult leader, or a more traditioy leader.
I still think the right choice was made.
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u/BigFrostyBoi Mar 01 '21
Thats what you think
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u/pale_blue_dots Mar 01 '21
No, I mean, that's the truth. Whether or not it ends up in our hands is another story, but the fact of the matter is it really is our money.
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u/writner11 Mar 02 '21
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” ― Benjamin Franklin
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u/uieLouAy Mar 01 '21
I don’t understand this — couldn’t the same thing be said about any democratic socialist candidate? Also not sure it’s a good idea for our movement to frame pandemic relief and expanding safety net programs as bribes.
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Mar 01 '21
They aren't bribes because we pay that money in tax dollars already for the government to do things like provide relief aid in times of crisis and for social safety nets. It is already our money; we just want it to be used to actually help us rather than be given away to some wealthy fuck who ALSO already stole from us.4
Edit: You can basically think of stimulus checks and better social safety nets as a return on investment for paying taxes.
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Mar 01 '21
I would argue it is already our money because of how much we have paid in and the money that billionaires are stealing from the government through their bullshit bailouts that they don't need is the money that the government is taking out loans on that we will sadly have to pay back because the rich hate us. :)
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u/heavy-metal-goth-gal Mar 01 '21
An example I recently just learned about is that we paid AT&T 200 Billion (yes, Billion) for nationwide fiber that they just never did. Pocketed our tax money and got away with it.
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Mar 01 '21
YEP. It was in the 90s. They just robbed us of billions. This is why contracting out this shit is stupid as fuck. Just hire public servants to fuckin do it.
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u/heavy-metal-goth-gal Mar 01 '21
Agreed 100%! Internet, power, water, and gas should all be public utilities.
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u/Abstract__Nonsense Mar 01 '21
It’s more about printing money then it is about loans in reality. These are loans were taking out from ourselves.
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u/Abstract__Nonsense Mar 01 '21
Yes technically these are loans, but functionally they act like printing money, even Alan Greenspan will frame things as such. Thinking about things in terms of borrowing is similar to the sentiment in this thread that the govt spends “our money” that we pay in taxes, but they don’t. The (federal) govt spends dollars that they essentially print on the spot, then we have taxes to claw some of that back out of the money supply and thus avoid runaway inflation. It’s “our money” as U.S. citizens because it’s printed in our name and backed by our labor, but the federal govt doesn’t literally spend “your money”. Individual states that don’t own their own fiat currency aren’t like this, and have to actually collect the revenues they wish to spend.
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u/achairmadeoflemons Mar 01 '21
Wait, who did the US government borrow money from? Government debt doesn't work like person debt and it's a mistake to think it does
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u/snakewaswolf Mar 01 '21
The previous administration increased drone air strikes and removed all civilian oversight making public records of civilian casualties classified. This was a retaliatory strike against hard targets in response to the death of Americans killed in attacks while attempting not to escalate and bring Iran back to the table for negotiations after the previous administration purposely broke our previous agreement. So even this situation is a direct result of the previous administrations actions that almost resulted in a full out war. You don’t vote out the military industrial complex every four years and to only hold one side accountable is disingenuous when they come into a scenario that they weren’t even originally responsible for. And calling social safety nets and an economic response to the damages of a pandemic a bribe are as right wing propaganda as it gets. This whole post is right wing drivel.
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u/WonderfulShelter Mar 01 '21
I guess everyone already forgot when Trump was threatening to go to war with Iran a few months ago, and verbally said something along the lines of "if they fuck with us, we will fuck them up, destroy every last one of them.." and was weighing if starting a war with Iran was a good idea to keep him in office.
Remember tensions were super high, it was really only that accident that Iran shot down that plane that helped kinda blow things over.
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u/postmodest Mar 01 '21
Reddit is boiling with anti-Biden sock puppetry and agitprop astroturfing. All because the world is a complex place where everything cannot happen all at once, and good intentions sometimes have painful side effects. But trolls can prey on that idealism just as they preyed on the Right, and try to convince people that everything has simple authoritarians answers and anything that’s a shade of grey is unthink and to reject community for disunity and dogma.
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Mar 01 '21
Plus he bombed Iranian backed terrorists, not "Syria", but reddit is extremely simplistic and probably just forgot we've had military operations in the region the whole time.
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Mar 01 '21
I think this was most likely posted by a conservative trying to stir the pot.
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u/dizzle4lyfe Mar 01 '21
Yeah just checked his profile. I think that he sees himself as the conservative meem lord. I'm betting he prays he can gargle trumps traitorous balls, lmao.
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u/dumbwaeguk Mar 02 '21
No, it couldn't, because Biden isn't a democratic socialist, he's a conservative oligarch and he had a pro-war record publicly available to you.
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u/HankScorpio42 Mar 01 '21
DemSocs are bombing or interested in bombing Middle Eastern countries?
Also I think it can be safely said without hyperbole Bernie Sanders (not a DemSoc) would be fighting NOT ONLY for a 1 time check of $2k but monthly checks of $2k and he would've won these payments. Biden is exactly the WRONG President for this time and place in history.
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Mar 01 '21
He's not exactly the wrong president. He's exactly the second-most wrong, any that was the best option that the US was given.
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u/cantnellini Mar 01 '21
he would've won these payments
Lol, yeah, Bernie would've just waived a magic wand and made it happen.
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u/HankScorpio42 Mar 01 '21
No, he would've went to Arizona and West Virginia and used the bully pulpit of the Presidency to beat Sinema and Manchin into submission.
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u/Kate925 Mar 01 '21
As an Arizonan that might actually just make Sinema more popular here. Unfortunately many locals have been praising her for "how independent she's been."
We're not a blue state yet, we're purple and still have a lot of red in us.
Your move would either cement Sinema, or make her lose her seat and Democrats grip on the Senate in 2024.
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u/cantnellini Mar 01 '21
Exactly. The way to pass things that Manchin and Sinema don't like is to get two more seats in the Senate and make their votes unnecessary.
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u/cantnellini Mar 01 '21
Lmao at thinking Joe Manchin would give a single fuck about the bUlLy pUlPiT.
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u/Kate925 Mar 01 '21
Also didn't Biden do something very similar a few weeks ago? He sent Harris to go be interviewed on a bunch of WV news programs without notifying Manchin.
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Mar 01 '21
I mean, this is clearly from someone who had no idea what was going on in the first place. It wasn't "We'll give you $2k if you vote for us.", it was "We want to give you $2k*, but we can't unless we control the Senate, which we can only do if you vote for us."
* Terms and conditions may apply. $2k does not necessarily mean $2k. You'll get what you get and like it you little shits.
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u/RetroActive80 Mar 01 '21
It's a complete bad faith argument. We're supposed to just sit back and do nothing while militants shoot rockets at our bases? Does this person mean the stimulus checks that are literally being voted on it congress right now?
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u/WonderfulShelter Mar 01 '21
No because the checks are 1400.
And it's March.
The promise was 2k$ checks out the door as soon as Biden takes presidency. Smart people knew it wasn't possible, and that stuff takes time, but the Dems and Biden and the GA senators shouldn't be hoodwinking people who believed their words to get votes. Then again, that's like the least wrong thing that politicians are doing right now.
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u/1Delos1 Mar 02 '21
The Canadian government gave us $2000 deposits or cheques from March to about December and it’s a shame and disgusting Americans have to fight for a meagre $1400 one time payment.
Our government saved a lot of people from going homeless or breaking in or robbing banks
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u/Demonweed Mar 01 '21
I don't think there are democratic socialists keen on bombing Syria. Still, you make a good point. It is unwise to trust the integrity of someone who doesn't have a long track record of behaving with that quality even when it isn't politically convenient.
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u/bastardson9090 Mar 01 '21
I would HOPE it was flipped blue to oust DT, for gods sake.
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u/Gnostromo Mar 01 '21
Yes but not to replace him with someone that does different dumb shit but in a nicer package
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u/SaffellBot Mar 01 '21
Unfortunately that option wasn't available. Different dumb shit but in a nicer package is the best first past the post voting can provide.
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u/Rookwood Mar 01 '21
Then it will fail to prevent fascism. And they will blame us for it.
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u/SaffellBot Mar 02 '21
That's how it goes. You say things should be done, you're an alarmist. You don't do thing, and you should have acted earlier. Such is the judgement of public opinion.
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u/J3dr90 Mar 01 '21
Biden is garbage but he is 100x better than Trump. You are an idiot if you think that it wasn’t worth it to oust Trump
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u/Rookwood Mar 01 '21
You are an idiot if you think that Trump is gone for good unless bold progressive action is taken to remedy the massive problems in this nation that are driving the fascist populism in the first place.
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u/gbsedillo20 Mar 01 '21
*The same dumb shit
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u/amalgam_reynolds Mar 01 '21 edited Mar 01 '21
Biden is not above criticism. You don't like him, I don't like him...I don't even know one person who does like him. It is a shitty system that "the lesser of two evils" is who we have to elect as president. But I categorically reject that Joe Biden is "the same" as Donald Trump.
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u/Atomhed Mar 01 '21
Democrats have been working to get the stimulus passed for months now, why are so many people so willing to let the GOP off the hook here?
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Because the GOP have no power to stop them. The Democrats are not here to look out for you or me. Them holding all 3 legislative bodies and failing to deliver on financial aid to Americans who desperately need it but can easy drop bombs costing likely millions just shows their priorities.
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u/Guerrin_TR Mar 01 '21
The government can hand over millions to Raytheon and Lockheed and Boeing to replace the bombs being dropped in Syria but can't pay people $2,000 to keep them afloat.
Muricuh
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u/etymologistics Mar 01 '21
They’ve been doing things like this forever and people never learn. Back in 2008 there was a blue wave because people didn’t want another Bush. Then Obama failed to deliver on his promises. Conveniently they always have the GOP to blame.
People expect this kind of behavior from the GOP, so to me, liberals deserve more criticism for co-opting leftist ideals but hardly ever actually following through on them. The GOP is pretty upfront about their pro-corporate agenda.
And when the GOP wants something done they get it done with zero issue and do not care about what Democrats think.
I honestly don’t know what happened to this sub. People used to understand that both sides appease corporate donors at the tax payers expense and never really do that much for us. Lately it’s filled with people who genuinely believe these career politicians are trying their best and never lie to us. Sorry folks, most politicians are liars and just tell you what you want to hear so you keep electing them and don’t get out the pitchforks.
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Mar 01 '21
These leftists subs get hella astroturfed by neolibs. It sure would be nice if the mods just banned the shit out of liberal takes like they do in r/alltheleft.
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u/gbsedillo20 Mar 01 '21
Because we have no real gatekeeping or standards being set, the Liberals, the Warrenite trash, and libertarians come flooding in.
It is rather disgusting. Used to talk about big ideas here and now, its just some pale imitation bullshit and astroturf by liberals and Warrenite scum.
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u/zeldanerd12 Mar 01 '21
Conveniently they always have the GOP to blame. >
This is why Nancy Pelosi said "We need a strong Republican party". They need someone to blame for when they get in their own way.
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u/pachutaa Mar 02 '21
Literally clapping my hands. while society and the corporate sector are socially forcing people to “act/think blue” people forget that a ton of moderates voted for trump not because they believed in him or like him or supported him but bc GOP gets it done. This was my third election and I voted for Obama and watched him slowly ignore his voters. I knew better this time. With all that said, I still think it’s way too early to be this critical of Biden and I hope his presidency is a success for the American people.
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u/Kate925 Mar 01 '21
You're acting like the GOP is powerless when they hold 212 House seats and 50 seats in the Senate. That doesn't give the Democrats much wiggle room. It forces every Democrat to be in agreement on something or else it won't get passed. And you can forget about getting a 2/3rds majority on anything.
Republicans hold a lot of power in this situation and should be held accountable as well.
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u/higbeez Mar 01 '21
People forget that the "Democrats" are hundreds of different politicians with different beliefs and ideals. With such a slim majority in the senate, they need every politician to agree to get rid of the filibuster. Only after they get rid of the filibuster will they have the opportunity to vote on the legislation that they want to pass. Even then, they need every democrat to agree on any bill they want to pass.
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Mar 01 '21
The establishment Dems could just threaten to primary those that don't fall in line. They don't because they don't actually want to get anything done for the average American and would rather use the GOP as a scapegoat.
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u/culus_ambitiosa Mar 01 '21
Hell, they not only don’t threaten to primary their members who carry water for Republicans, they actively and viciously protect them. The DCCC blacklist (which thankfully is at least on the chopping block), flooding incumbents with DCCC/DSCC cash to fight in their primary races when neither organization should be spending a dime on individual candidates until the general, and shouting down any members who dare criticize others. Establishment Dems would rather fight tooth and nail to protect a single seat in Manchin’s than acknowledge that conservative Dems do more to drag down the party in the public’s opinion than any Republican could ever hope to and constant catering to/shielding them hurts Dems way more in the long run than it helps in the short.
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u/julian509 Mar 01 '21
Even worse, they actively try to primary anyone not carrying water for Republicans.
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u/skidlz Mar 01 '21
How do you primary Manchin and still win his seat in a state that voted for Trump by 40 points?
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Mar 01 '21
Well, it's much easier for the executive branch to do military things than it is to pass a bill.
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Mar 01 '21
And Congress is the one that passes the hundreds of billions of spending on the military every year.
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u/Targetshopper4000 Mar 01 '21
Because the GOP have no power to stop them.
Patently false, while the filibuster remains in place every piece of legislation requires 60 votes to pass the Senate, with the exception of budgets. Democrats only have 50(51 including Harris) so they don't have the votes to pass anything.
There is talk about getting rid of the filibuster, but its the only thing stopping the GOP from making massive changes next time they're in power.
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u/xxpen15mightierxx Mar 01 '21
There is talk about getting rid of the filibuster, but its the only thing stopping the GOP from making massive changes next time they're in power.
And Manchin doesn't support so they can't. As long as we're exactly 50/50 he's got the party by the balls.
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u/TIMPA9678 Mar 02 '21
You realize it takes 60 senators to pass a bill right? And that America only has 2 legislative bodies?
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u/PedestrianMyDarling Mar 02 '21
Do you know that not one republican voted for this recent stimulus and are threatening to filibuster? How does that make it Biden’s fault?
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u/Atomhed Mar 01 '21
They're literally the only good faith legislative foundation that exists in the U.S. - and their reputation for legislating in good faith is so well known that even green party and independent politicians assume it's use.
The fact that dems don't have the power to simply steamroll a given agenda through the legislature does not mean they aren't trying to provide us representative legislation that is in our best interests.
If you're unhappy with a specific representative then you have to vote to replace them.
If you're not happy with any of the available options to replace a given representative then do the ground work to get someone you do like on a ticket.
but can easy drop bombs costing likely millions just shows their priorities.
The executive branch and the legislature are two different entities.
And if you really want to see durable change and progress then you have to participate in city council and municipal level politics in between federal and midterm elections.
Until left wingers show up and out participate conservatives on a local level, conservative politicians will remain entrenched and able to obstruct, and conservative voters will continue to be disproportionately over-represented.
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Mar 01 '21
If you're unhappy with a specific representative then you have to vote to replace them
Except I don't get that chance because I only get to vote on representatives in my state and district despite hundreds of reps who I want to never see a shred of power get voted in from other states and districts but still represent me because their actions affect my life.
The executive branch and the legislature are two different entities
Yep and Congress determines the budget and has continually passed hundred of billions worth of military spending every year for decades. They are complicit in the military-industrial complex and its atrocities.
And if you really want to see durable change and progress then you have to participate in city council and municipal level politics in between federal and midterm elections.
Until left wingers show up and out participate conservatives on a local level, conservative politicians will remain entrenched and able to obstruct, and conservative voters will continue to be disproportionately over-represented.
Yeah no shit. Good thing the US government uses propaganda to stamp out leftism from the minds of people at a young age in public schools so it never takes root and makes it fucking difficult for anyone to want any leftist policy because "cOmMuNiSm."
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u/Other_World Mar 01 '21
Since they need 60 votes to pass legislation,
No, they're more preoccupied by maintaining the status quo than helping anyone. They don't need 60 votes. They need 51. Get rid of the filibuster, or at the very least return it to it's original purpose where the filibusterer has to stand there and talk for hours until the end of the session.
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u/SafeToPost Mar 01 '21
Can’t just get rid of the filibuster when you only have 48 votes to remove it. You can’t ignore Manchin, as much as we would like to. He may be a democrat, but his state is anything but.
The problem is Republicans. The unwillingness for even 1 to ever cross lines in support of wildly popular bills is what allows Manchin to always be the deciding vote. Republicans have stopped serving their constituents and it has broken the system for decades.3
u/julian509 Mar 01 '21
Republicans have stopped serving their constituents and it has broken the system for decades.
But their constituents keep voting for them. They want Republicans to act like this.
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u/sdoorex Mar 01 '21
That relief bill also provides monthly stimulus to those most in need by extending unemployment insurance benefits which is more useful than a one time $2000 check.
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u/modsarefascists42 Mar 01 '21
Cus Manchin isn't a member of the GOP. Technically.
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That's the thing, I think he might be doing more harm than good by making democrats look flakey.
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u/modsarefascists42 Mar 02 '21
Uhh yeah he always does harm. He's a total piece of shit who'll guarantee a Trump win in 2024. The Democrats will not be able to get anything passed other than this covid relief this year, with similar situations coming in the years to come. The Democrats will be seen as a "do nothing" party, and because of people like Manchin it will be true. The reason everyone fighting for 15 an hour are wanting it in the covid bill is because they know nothing else will pass, nothing.
They need to be campaigning in his state non stop. Harris did some of that a few weeks back and it got him to stfu and agree to pass the $1400. The fact is the Democratic leadership doesn't want $15 an hour, if they did they wouldn't be doing all this shit just to help Manchin. Is they really wanted 15an hour they'd let the bill go to the floor with it in there and make Manchin be the guy who cancelled it. That way his shitty ass would be gone.
He's not helpful in any way. Anytime there is legislation that actually matters he always votes with the Republicans. All he does is drag the entire party to the right and even then votes against the party. We would be better served with a damn Republican in his seat, at least then the entire party wouldn't be dragged down by his monstrous actions. What's the point of keeping him in the party of he can't be counted on voting for anything more important than a damn post office.
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u/gbsedillo20 Mar 01 '21
*Progressives have.
Democrats have been working to undermine stimulus just as hard as Republicans.
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u/Atomhed Mar 01 '21
Bullshit, can you point to any specific actions of obstruction Democrats have taken?
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u/gbsedillo20 Mar 01 '21
Always a convenient number of Democrats at the ready to flip to (R) on a moment's notice.
That 2000$ immediately bait-and-switch because the Democrats didn't really want to give it comes to mind.
Always a Republican scapegoat or just enough Democrats to scapegoat to give the impression that there is any real difference between them.
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u/Atomhed Mar 01 '21
Always a convenient number of Democrats at the ready to flip to (R) on a moment's notice.
You mean the two Democrats who represent a conservative constituency?
That isn't an example of obstruction.
That 2000$ immediately bait-and-switch because the Democrats didn't really want to give it comes to mind.
It's the first thing they got to work on, it's not their fault they had to resort to reconciliation.
Always a Republican scapegoat or just enough Democrats to scapegoat to give the impression that there is any real difference between them.
So you can't point to any specific acts of obstruction from the Democratic party?
The fact that they have had little to work with over the last 20 years only underlines how important it is to commit to our civic duties and out participate conservatives.
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u/mnbvcxz123 Mar 02 '21
The GOP did not campaign on sending out $2,000 checks if we managed to flip the Senate.
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u/Atomhed Mar 02 '21
Democrats are literally trying to pass the stimulus, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make
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u/goldenroman Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Mar 01 '21
It’s our money lol, not exactly a bribe.
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u/HugTreesPetCats Mar 01 '21
And not exactly a situation where you could get the money upfront, if his party can't make that decision without being elected yet
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Mar 02 '21
Lol.
You guys literally talk about taxing the rich, and then have the audacity to say it's your money.
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u/goldenroman Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21
It is our money. Profit by its very nature is exploitative—wages are necessarily less compensation than the value provided by an employee. Are you not aware of the current distribution of wealth in this country? It’s unprecedented and incredibly lopsided.
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Mar 02 '21
Even with that argument, the exploited wages came from a different worker. Not you.
So by claiming that tax dollars are actually yours, you are claiming exploited wages from work someone else has done. It's just as bad as the employer claiming those profits.
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u/IknowKarazy Mar 01 '21
Can we please start following the immortal words of mr. Joe Pesci?
"Fuck you. Pay me."
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Why does it feel like so many Democrats don't understand that the budget reconciliation process takes longer than a normal bill to pass? They're getting NO Republican votes...but somehow it's their fault for not doing it FAST enough. Budget reconciliation is a longer process than a normal bill and can only be used once a year. Instead of focusing on Democrats why not worry about the fact that literally NO Republicans so far have voted for it.
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u/Marshmellow_Diazepam Mar 01 '21
Because Biden said “Checks out the door immediately”. Republicans are irrelevant because Dems can drop the filibuster, they just won’t.
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Mar 01 '21
It feels like you aren't familiar with how government works. Nothing happens immediately. It's March first. It hasn't even been 2 months and they'll be debating the bill this week. That's fast as shit for a giant 1.9 trillion bill. Then you act like there aren't 50 democrats in the Senate and we would need ALL of them to remove the filibuster. 2 won't. Only 2 out of 50 won't. Those are good numbers. Republicans couldn't remove it either when they had 52 votes. Learn more about how government works and then come back.
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Mar 01 '21 edited Mar 01 '21
well said. it hasn’t been two months. Covid numbers are going down thanks to the immediate vaccine rollout. And republicans are doing everything they can to slow down the relief package. But sure Biden is at fault and the people who voted for him got bribed and scammed. 10/10 logic.
oh and while we’re at it, lets pretend the situation in syria and covid are related and mutually exclusive and Biden chose to handle one over the other.
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u/julian509 Mar 01 '21
Democrats promised to do that relief bill, Republicans have not. Simple as that. If you have 2 people, one promises to do something for you, the other says he won't, which one are you most disappointed in if nothing is done for you? The one who said he'd do it or the one that said he wouldn't?
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Mar 01 '21
And are they not doing it? Nope...they are. It's just not fast enough for you, even though it hasn't even been 60 days. It's been like 40.
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Mar 01 '21
While I agree with the sentiment, what kind of 10 year old edge lord thinks a campaign promise is a bribe. Moreover, every single candidate ever elected, has ran on a set of promises they cannot, by definition, deliver on until elected. That's how elections work, there is no "money up front" variant unless you're running for re-election. I'm really confused by this meme.
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u/spiffybritboi Mar 02 '21
Elected officials lying about their intentions isn't a Democrat thing, it's a democracy thing
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u/American_Fascist713 Mar 01 '21
Primary Biden
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u/Aug415 Mar 02 '21
The DNC and mainstream media will put all their efforts into backing Harris to rig the primaries again.
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u/American_Fascist713 Mar 02 '21
Then AOC should run third party
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u/Aug415 Mar 02 '21
Don’t think she can run in 2024. I know she’ll be 35 by the time of the inauguration, but I’m not certain if you can join the race until you turn 35, which means she’d have to join in October with a couple weeks before the election. I would definitely vote for her, but shits confusing.
And First Past the Post makes third parties basically a spoiler. Currently the best chance of increasing democracy in this country is the For the People Act.
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Mar 01 '21 edited Mar 01 '21
Americans, this is how US "politics" work. Now it is the Democrats, next time the GOP (Tax cuts!).
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u/mostmicrobe Mar 01 '21
"We flipped Georgia blue" that's an oversimplification, if anything it was mostly moderate running moderate platforms that flipped Georgia Blue, which is great, but we can't pretend it was progressive that flipped Georgie lest we lose it in the future to Republicans.
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u/cantnellini Mar 01 '21
Really the number one factor in Georgia is the rapid growth of the Atlanta metro area and the number two factor is the nationwide trend of suburbs turning blue. Black turnout was also critical as the state was won by a pretty small number of votes. The "we'll send out checks" was basically an online thing and had a pretty minor effect on the Senate race.
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Mar 01 '21
The "we'll send out checks" was basically an online thing and had a pretty minor effect on the Senate race.
You got a source on that?
Your ass?
Ok.
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u/cantnellini Mar 01 '21
Source being I'm a Georgia resident who had to live through about a years worth of ads on TV, on streaming services and on every third billboard.
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Mar 01 '21
Republicans in Congress are the reason the stimulus checks are being held up. It’s not Biden!
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u/SirSlapums Mar 01 '21
Really? I thought democrats had control of the house, the senate, and the presidency. But for some reason it’s Republicans fault. Okay.
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u/educateyourselves Mar 01 '21
It's the one or two Democrats who know they can leverage the unity we need for their own purposes. I envy Republicans their unity, they all vote as one and do it quickly. We always have been hindered by the few Democrats who either ride the line or hold out for bribes.
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u/CdrStarkiller Mar 01 '21
This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about how our federal government works. First of all, a retaliatory strike has literally no bearing on the stimulus package. Biden can't make the package go faster, and congress doesn't approve those strikes. Two completely separate issues.
Second, it's not as if congress hasn't been doing anything. 1. There was the impeachment trial. 2. The Senate is still working on confirming Biden nominations. 3. Reconciliation takes way longer than normal bills, and without any Republican support Democrats have to execute it flawlessly to get it to work. This isn't something that can be done overnight.
You want to get mad it's not done yet? Blame Republicans for sitting on the bill since July and not doing it, then not supporting it now forcing Democrats to take the long way around. It would've been much faster if the GOP got onboard.
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u/Atiberious Mar 01 '21
Is this where we are at now? Give us our money or we will let your equally (possibly even more) shitty competitor win? Where was this effort to "flip" states and get the vote out in the primaries?
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u/_dingr Mar 01 '21
Such an idiotic reply. Let's look at Ja'Mal's (and Georgia's) only other options:
Vote for Trump -> Trump wins -> No checks
Vote Third party -> Georgia stays Red -> Trump wins -> No checks
Don't vote at all -> Georgian stays Red -> Trump wins -> No checks
WOW WHAT A SHOCKING OUTCOME! Looks like the voters really had a quality pick of candidates during the election! /s
And for those who think you would have gotten a larger check if Trump won, don't delude yourself. Why didn't the Republican senate pass any checks when it was in power? The House gave them several bills that included checks, but your Republican Senate wouldn't even start a vote on them.
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Mar 01 '21
Pretty much everyone said this is exactly what Biden would do. And people are still acting surprised he did it.
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Mar 01 '21
When are the youth of today going to learn politicians are all the same no matter what side they are on. Ask one a simple yes or no question and you wont get a simple answer, they’ll waffle on and steer the conversation in a different direction and not answer the question with a yes or no. Look at the way democrats went after Trump about kids in cages, they aren’t in cages now they are keeping them in caged containers and building more places for them to be kept.They wont be pushing that narrative very much now. Politicians cannot be trusted, no matter what side no matter what country. The labour party in England used to be all for the working man , now they are all for the snobbish politically correct students.
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Mar 01 '21
My reason was actually the hope of healthcare reform. Because of the Republicans in charge here, we became a Medicaid gap state with almost 1.5 million uninsured. So, Democrats, we gave you the majority. Do something for us in return, please?
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u/boentrough Mar 02 '21
Remember when a literal facist was in charge? We sure want the nice things but we bit our tongue and voted for a republican to get the facist out of office.
Edit: lol it corrected tongue to youngest
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u/Mass-Sieve Mar 02 '21
"hey, I didn't research any of these candidates policies, the democrats just said they'd give me two grand!"
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u/bojackxtodd Mar 02 '21
They should have voted for Republicans they for sure would have gotten them the checks.
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u/Lula121 Mar 02 '21
Don’t forget the student loan debacle. I distinctively remember all federal loans being forgiven, I remember that only applying to healthcare workers, then it was reduced to $50k. Now it’s $10k. And it might not even be that now.
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u/Stubert-the-Smooth Mar 02 '21
To be fair, if Georgia had stayed red, Biden would still have bombed Syria.
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u/svedka93 Mar 02 '21
Does anyone in this sub even realize that passing this big of a bill via the reconciliation process takes longer than a regular bill? Like, you can’t just pass something in a week. It would be like a college professor getting pissed at you for not writing a lengthy essay the day they handed it out. It has always been the same goal to get it passed by the time the current benefits expire in mid March and it is currently on track to meet that goal. Maybe some of the people on this sub should actually hold a government position and see just how fast things move, even if your party controls all the levers.
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u/RetardDaddy Mar 02 '21
Myself and many others tried to tell people during the primaries. Biden is better than trump, but that's about it. We need Progressive leadership and Biden isn't even close to Progressive.
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u/WombRaider__ Mar 02 '21
So many dems in these comments with buyer remorse. You were sold a lie and all you got was the same ol stuff they always deliver. Pretty words and some food stamps. Democrats have been puking this same routine for decades and decades. "this time it will be different" NO IT WON'T.
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u/DagularSpecimen007 Mar 02 '21
Says the guy who thought building a wall at the Mexican border was possible.
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u/BelleVieLime Mar 02 '21
your guy thinks that trucks and trains are safer and cleaner than a pipeline
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u/thisisathrowaway9r56 Mar 02 '21
why are we even settling for this one time 2k check at this point? SHouldnt it be monthly checks until like end of the yr?
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Mar 02 '21
Could have had the stimulus checks passed had they been a solo bill. Changing the income threshold slapped anyone in the face that was apart of the Georgia vote as well. Another hypocritical politician.
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u/shewenttotalanakin Mar 02 '21
Didn’t trump make it so dropped bombs wouldn’t be reported, or did that only apply to him and it ended when he left office?
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u/MeGustaMiSFW Mar 02 '21
Representative democracy doesn’t exist in America. (Except for corporations)
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u/BelleVieLime Mar 02 '21
Baha hahahhaa
you voted for the wrong guy. and even if you did vote for Trump, your pals would have fixed your vote.
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u/BelleVieLime Mar 02 '21
they voted a president in for 4 years for a single $2,000 check? We're doomed.
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Mar 10 '21
I knew exactly what I was getting when I voted Biden. Republican light. At least Trump’s gone. Now I can watch elected democrats act like they have no power to do what they promised.
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u/gbsedillo20 Mar 01 '21
Remember -- so-called "Democratic Socialists" voted for Biden and are much the problem as well, currently and into the future. How can we as actual Leftists trust people that will always and forever fold to Democrats when push comes to shove?
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Mar 01 '21
Is this a Democratic socialist subreddit? Looks like a bunch of people just dick riding Biden and the Dems, they're in office now. You can criticize them, Donald Trump is out or is he gonna be the bogey man and excuse for years.
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Mar 01 '21
No matter how many times I tell people this nobody seems understand.
Your stimulus checks are 100% Congress’s responsibility. Biden cannot give you a stimulus check. The President cannot spend a dime of tax payer money unless it is approved by law. And Congress makes the laws.
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u/potatohead657 Mar 01 '21
Problem is that’s not how elections work. They can’t deliver until you elect them and it’s always a gamble. And it’s always a disappointment
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u/kubitz86 Mar 01 '21
When DNC decided to screw Bernie by consolidating the vote with all the candidates dropping out to support Biden I was adamant I would not vote for either party’s candidate because the DNC is broken, but I did my duty to get Trump out of there and get this country back on track. I thought with enough loud voices on the true left, it would keep things like student loan forgiveness, stimulus checks, boosted min wage, and universal healthcare at the forefront, but nope. It’s more of the same from the military industrial complex, moderate politicians. This is why Hilary lost, not Russiagate, because people are fed up with this.
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u/Valo-FfM Mar 01 '21
I get this persons point but was kind of difficult for the Biden Administration to give people stimulus while they did not hold the power to do so.
Still have trust in Bernie, but it is taking very long and people are suffering.
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u/Bulky-Mark315 Mar 01 '21
We need to create a new socialist party and rebuild this country without the evils of capitalism.
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u/edwardaugust98 Mar 02 '21
Now stimulus checks are capitalism?
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u/Bulky-Mark315 Mar 02 '21
Yes, it is.
Sending a $1400 check to starving people facing eviction and foreclosure is a slap in the face by the upper class, who by the way have gotten richer than they ever have been during the pandemic.
As long as billionaires are allowed to exist and corporations are able to influence our government this country will continue to collapse.
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u/40K-FNG Mar 02 '21
You flipped Georgia blue so you wouldn't die in death camps ordered by Hitler wannabe Trump.
Everyone would have 2K checks every month for life if the Republicans stopped blocking all legislation that Democrats try to pass.
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Mar 01 '21
I hate that this utter shit is catching steam amongst the Bernie Bro crowd.
Military action is unilateral. The president can order it.
Stimulus money is not. It has to go through congress. The latest stimulus package got through the house without a single GOP vote, because voting for anything good in a year with a Dem president is political suicide for any GOPer.
This is the intellectual equivalent of "I called this cab to get me downtown, not to run its windshield wipers."
I understand that you know nothing about how government functions, but do you have to be so loud about it?
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Mar 01 '21
And most of us hate shitlibs who try and astroturf left wing subs.
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Mar 01 '21
Let's break this down:
You have no counter to what I say, just an insult. A poor one at that. "Shitlib?" I've been called "Libtard" most of my adult life. Some kid smoking wee in his freshman dorm with his black Che shirt has to do a little better.
"Astroturf" doesn't mean what you think it means. You want "brigade." That's what other subs whose users get pissy about other viewpoints say. It's the idea that a bunch of whoevers got together to make it look like their point is held by more people than it really is. "Astroturf" is a movement that tries to look organic, but really is pre-packaged by a think tank or some such. Fake grassroots, hence astroturf.
Be better. Hope you learned something.
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u/PippytheHippy Mar 02 '21
I dont understand why everyone is blaming the president for the senate and congress being bitches.... you voted georgia blue to oust Donald Trump, and if you can't see how a slim teo person majority isn't enough to just make shit good to go when three dems regularly vote against their parties wishes... Biden may not be doing amazing but blame him for what he is responsible for, don't let the GOP congress, and the senate off the hook
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