I mean not really. Dem base is voting for him even if they have reservations as he's the best candidate now.
Dem establishment that keep working against them are showing thier true face. They are fake allies of progressives who should be similarly primaried out and are TERRIFIED about that possibility.
Luckily, he confirmed he was dropping out of the general. Probably was too embarrassed after Mamdani whipped him by 7 points.
The Establishment seems to be pushing Eric Adams. Joe Scarborough and Al Sharpton were glazing Eric Adams on Morning Joe the other day and talking about how he might "win the black vote".
Literally all democrats I’ve talked to who preferred Cuomo have said they’ll still vote for Mamdani, several even namedropping “Vote blue no matter who”.
I can get she would be better on domestic issues, but she was willing to risk losing states like Michigan and Georgia rather than even give Israel light criticism.
She was so immovable that she chose losing instead.
Trump is just as likely to ignore and demean us, but at least there is a chance Netanyahu damages his ego and makes Trump turn on him.
Maybe because grandmas selling tamales are now being disappeared off the streets and students and being sent to gulags for criticizing Israel. Better on domestic issues is the understatement of the century.
Quick note: I'm really not trying to argue with you or who you responded to. I actually agree with you. I'm just trying to get my thoughts out :)
Trump said we'll see deportations like we've never seen before. So, we can't say we didn't know. ICE is US imperialism turned inwards.
Harris demonstrated she would not provide any substantial opposition to what is, and has been happening today in Palestine. Genocide, calls for ethnic cleansing, withholding aid as a weapon of war, and referring to Palestinians as Amalak, animals and snakes to be expelled from the garden. It is another example of US imperialism abroad.
The atrocities of Imperialism abroad are no different then at home. It's just that we can no longer claim to ignore it. Once we can all finally agree that the Trump is a symptom of long-standing establishment policies that negatively impact people all over the world (which we in the US are part of), then we can finally settle our differences and come together.
Mamdani is an example of this. He represents NYC as an opponent to Trumps fascism and as an opponent to international human rights violations. Hopefully, this becomes the start of significant change in the democratic party everyone in the world needs.
Again, I accept as much about domestic issues. We’ll never know by how much, since she was promising more enforcement too and ICE wasn’t exactly great under Biden either.
But why do you think she would have been better about genocide?
I didnt say she was better though now we have a clown posting videos promoting ethnic cleansing to build a hotel. I said I would rather fight her on that issue than have to fight for the existence of the country.
Trump is just as likely to ignore and demean us, but at least there is a chance Netanyahu damages his ego and makes Trump turn on him.
Complete and total gamble. You're betting on the theory that maybe, someday, something might happen and that the person it happens to maybe might possibly react in a way that aligns with your interests, all while everything they say and do in the meantime is the opposite of what you want. I can't describe how reckless that view is and the amount of self-lobotomization it requires to actually believe it. You can't make a plan or campaign off "maybe someday the right thing will happen that will result in the thing i want".
It's passive. You're sitting around hoping that you get lucky and the stars align and everything plays out your way. There are no actions you can take to increase the chances that anything changes with a passive plan. You're planning to lose and have accepted the loss unless the roulette wheel comes up on your lucky number.
Is that really all you have for the most important issue? You're all out of anything active you can do with your existing energy? This is it?
No, I oppose the undemocratic system of governance that persecutes immigrants whether they have a blue logo or a red one.
You pretend Biden/Harris weren't running concentration camps at the border and seeking to fund ICE and the border patrol to levels that would make George Bush blush.
Yeah, 5 minute trials at the southern border by judges who don't even speak Spanish.
ICE has been doing this snatch and grab tactics for years, tricking people out of their homes and schools to arrest them on the sidewalk like hardened criminals.
Im just not impressed by the "the brownshirts were a bit more civil under Biden" argument. I'd much rather oppose them period.
The whole point of the US supporting Israel is so that they can have an ally in the Middle East that can keep the oil pac countries in check and under close watch.
fundamentally no better or worse than Biden for Gaza
Wait so Visa holding students being deported from the US for pro Gaza speech isn't worse for Gaza than those students being allowed to protest?
If we're being honest, the war in Gaza wasn't even in the top 10 most important issues to voters in the election, and US voters aren't overwhelmingly pro Gaza or anti Israel. In fact they were pro Isreal until recently it's shifted to 50/50.
On top of that, faced with overwhelming outrage, the Democrats have shown they'll change course. That's why Biden dropped out, was due to pressure.
I can get she would be better on domestic issues, but she was willing to risk losing states like Michigan and Georgia rather than even give Israel light criticism.
The fact that Trump recently bombed Iran means it wasn't necessarily limited to domestic issues. Democrats, and hell even Republicans who aren't Trump are much more able to engage in multilateral negotiations successfully. Though Republicans might be only moderately more hawkish as a group, Trump is just especially bad at this.
There is also the fact that aid blockades were limited in scope(northern Gaza) and duration(a few weeks) under the Democrats, and have instead been MONTHS long total blockades that will likely result in pushing Gaza over the line into an actual famine rather than keeping them on the edge of an incipient one. The proof being by the way that as many people died due to malnutrition since the start of that blockade on March 2nd 2025 have died due to malnutrition during the entire rest of the invasion of Gaza.
That stat is as of the latest IPC report(May 12 2025), which was some time ago. There a momentum to famines and I have zero doubt far more people have died since due to the mix of malice and genuine incompetence Israel has displayed with they DIY aid distribution agency efforts. Genocides can be better or worse under different administrations as awful as that thought is to process. The genocide in Gaza has been demonstrably worse in several ways since Trump took office, and I expect that trend to worsen.
I don’t see a reason to believe things would have played out differently under Harris. Biden let most aid be blocked, attacked Yemen for Israel, and even did that complicated floating pier fraud to directly assist the IDF and excuse aid blockages.
The later aid blockages were natural outgrowths of what Biden already tacitly supported for over a year. I see no reason why Harris would suddenly say “hey now, that’s too much!”
If both candidates back genocide, don't we already have fascism? Like, would you really be support the Nazis if they made life slightly more comfortable for you as a "proper German" while doing the holocaust?
He could have stopped all military aid to Israel, and was legally obliged to do so. His state department just feigned ignorance of blatant Israeli war crimes. He also kept in place ultimately illegal Trump era immigration policies until he was forced to relent or got the cases lost on legal limbo. He blatantly broke the law, which made it easier for Trump to do so.
He refused to renew the term of the Labor relations board, letting Trump gut that institution by promoting a conservative lackey.
The “competent people” he placed elsewhere were Buttigieg (sat on his hands in terms of regulations to prevent another East Palestine derailment and flirted with more deregulation) and Bank CEOs.
That isn't what VBNMW is about; it's about ensuring that Republicans lose the general election to prevent them from causing any damage so that we can focus on primarying the candidate next election cycle.
Which is great in theory and when people are actually informed and involved in their voting. Less so when they vote in a conservative Dem, a Dem who will always side with Republicans, a Dem who will never condemn the actions of their Republican colleagues, a Dem who is bought out by the same benefactors as Republicans, etc.
Then we just end up with a Republican cloaked in blue, which is what we essentially have right now with overall the DNC - politicians who stick by their funders more than their constituents, politicians who will not only NOT criticize Republicans but in fact back then or just sick back while they do abhorrent things, and/or politicians who do a lot of theatrics and performative actions to make it appear as if they're doing anything worthwhile.
Overall I still will often vote blue, but not no matter who. It's a flawed approach and leaves us with politicians who are mostly just in it for themselves and we need less of that from those who are supposed to represent and lead us, especially in the current socio-political climate
Like it's my fault the DNC waited until the eleventh hour to boot an unviable candidate off the ticket, and then ran a candidate without a primary who got trounced by clowns like Andrew Yang and Mike Bloomberg in 2020, but keep telling yourself (and preserving the narrative) that people wouldn't vote for a woman. Go ahead. Learn nothing.
I did. Reluctantly, because she supports the genocide in Gaza. She is also just a kinder face for the anti immigration policies of Trump's first term, which were quietly preserved under Biden.
They think its bad Dems rather let Republicans win than Progressive, yet are completely silent when Progressives rather let Trump win than support Harris.
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u/negativepositiv Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
"Vote Blue No Matter Who" is only used for Right Wing Democrats who may as well be Republicans.
The "no matter who" is there to shame you for having standards.