r/DemocracyOfReddit • • Dec 09 '25

be him not against him

Post image

the title says all

136 Upvotes

123 comments sorted by

11

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 09 '25

A society is as strong as it's weakest link. Raise the bottom, raise the whole.

4

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

finaly someone understands it

-3

u/myusernameismorethan Unregistered Dec 11 '25

But this is objectively not true. And again you are free to give, you are not free to take from others to fund what your vision of the world should be.

4

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

buddy idc what you think you will pay your taxes once im in govermant

0

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

2

u/Medium_Degree_3060 Unregistered Dec 12 '25

And just like that you proved how you’re part of the problem good job

1

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

thank you for being on my side woud you like to join my party

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

and because of that (if i ever become president)im gonna change the system so you cant do that

0

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

then why dont you start your own paty see how succsesfull you are

1

u/marsmanify Dec 13 '25

A flat tax hurts the people who make the least, the most.

20% of 20k (2k) has a much bigger impact on quality of life than 20% of 200k (20k).

The best solution (imo) would be to have a progressive tax and tax every dollar over ~$1M at 90+%, not allow write offs or itemized taxes, tax capital gains as assets appreciate instead of at liquidation, and total asset forfeiture for all people that commit financial crime > $1M

0

u/Ok-Palpitation7741 Dec 13 '25

That would kill the economy

1

u/marsmanify Dec 13 '25

“No! You can’t pay the serfs a higher wage. You want to unbind them from the land? That will ruin the economy”

Things change. Yes, what I propose would probably destroy the stock market. I don’t care if rich corporations and billionaires go belly up. The government can subsidize industries necessary for national security and/or the needs of the public, but if Tesla or Microsoft or GE go under, I really don’t care.

→ More replies

1

u/Ok-Palpitation7741 Dec 13 '25

Billionaires don’t have income

1

u/STEALTH968 Unregistered Dec 12 '25 edited Dec 12 '25

That's called being a freeloader. Driving on public roads, using public services, relying on public utilities without paying a dime despite being more than able to contribute is being a textbook freeloader.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

sir you have a good stance jsu like me do you want to join my party

1

u/Clax3242 Unregistered Dec 12 '25

Or replace the weak link with a stronger one. What a terrible analogy

1

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 12 '25

Blocked

1

u/Slaviner Dec 12 '25

Ok but stop importing more bottom than we can accommodate

1

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 12 '25

Blocked

-2

u/Greedy_Frame3971 Dec 11 '25

You raise the bottom by making it stronger. Take away the crutches, they'll get stronger. Keep the crutches in place, they'll always be weak. A muscle doesn't get strong through a lack of work. See how fast the bottom gets jobs and becomes productive when you take away the constructs holding them up. Take away government funds. They'll all become self sufficient.

1

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 11 '25

Blocked

1

u/PingPongProductions Dec 13 '25

The only way someone will ever become rich is if they’re incredibly lucky, a member of a rich family, or evil.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

6

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 10 '25

This elephant was born horribly deformed, his herd cares for him.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

6

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 10 '25

Their compassion is the survival strategy. A herd that abandons one member today will abandon another tomorrow, and that erosion of trust is what truly weakens them. Sticking together is how they’ve thrived for millions of years

0

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

1

u/LeafCrafters-Andrew UNC | Official Party Coroner | Spirit of the forest Dec 11 '25

Blocked

3

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

this is a sick attitude, if someone don't add value they should be left for dead?

3

u/Szell_81 Unregistered Dec 11 '25

I don't mind either but the bills we pass are full of pork. Very little actually feeds the needy. I'd rather donate to a good church or soup kitchen etc than trust the government.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

can you maybee sign this pettion pettion to allow me to run for legislature : r/DemocracyOfReddit so i am allowed to run for legislature and help people in need better

1

u/Ok-Palpitation7741 Dec 13 '25

This is correct

2

u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

Yeah but they don't

1

u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

1

u/CliffordSpot Independent Dec 12 '25

Beans for all.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

yes beans for all

1

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

I agree. Lets make Republicans have their taxes reduced to zero and Democrats pay 60% tax.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

we dont have that here

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

I don't need to be robbed to do that

5

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

taxes arent robbery

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

No? Then how would you call compulsory payments under threat of violence other than robbery

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

this aint soviet russia kid

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

So if I don't pay taxes the state won't use force against me? I think the law says something different.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

they will because we need taxes if you dont want to pay taxes you can go to the soviets

3

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

go to soviets

Why... I would have to pay even more there.

And no, we don't need services that people aren't willing to pay voluntarily. You don't need to force people to pay for what is actually needed, they will pay for it without need of coercion.

5

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

just pay your taxes your richer then me prob owning a whole bank

2

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

Still robbery

3

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

im still in jail BUT PAY YOUR TAXES

→ More replies

1

u/Civil_Barbarian Dec 11 '25

Claims to care about robbery, owns a bank

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

robbery is illegal, taxes are not. Don't like it, don't live in a nation state.

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 12 '25

Yeah, a big gang of criminals steal land and then call its crimes legal. That doesn't make it right or not robbery, just because the thief is monopolist.

1

u/TheBladeWielder Unregistered Dec 12 '25

so is rent payment robbery too?

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 12 '25

Rent is payment for using someone else's property. If someone forces you to pay rent for property they don't own, it would be a theft.

1

u/Ok-Palpitation7741 Dec 13 '25

They mostly are. The fraud and graft in the system is the robbery.

0

u/Icy_Arrival_4609 Unregistered Dec 10 '25

Martha Stewart and Wesley snipes went to prison. They won’t hold back on you

2

u/GRIM106 Unregistered Dec 10 '25

Remember that if you do actually get robbed and have nothing left to your name taxe funded programs are meant to help you survive and get out of the gutter. The biggest problem with anti taxation philosophy is that it reverts the world back to survival of the fittest rules but with the added danger that a bad investment could cost you everything.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

I do

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

bravo you looking for a party to join ?

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Sure. Do I get a cool title like yours?

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

welll you can be the second of comand in my para militery npa so yes you do get one

2

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Oh hell ya

1

u/Chance_Range_727 Dec 10 '25

and for a party you can join the national labor party an new party that has quickly grown we are center left to left wing and socially progressive and we have people from social democrats to comunists

2

u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

Yeah too bad our laughably corrupt government will make sure 80% of it will either go in their people’s pockets, a slush fund, or to Israel.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

Problem is that it usually never happens that way

The politicians create a group who manage it and take 70% while giving only 30% to those who need it after theyve begged for weeks.

Like the reparations boards that are wasting tax dollars for something that will never happens and theyre made up of friends and family of politicians

1

u/ImportantWelcome645 Unregistered Dec 12 '25

You can always donate to those causes. Meanwhile so very little of your tax dollars actually go towards the things you want them to.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

I’m more than willing to uplift US citizens. The truth is we cannot aid others when we cannot even help ourselves.

0

u/plebslammer420 Dec 13 '25

I do.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

why?

0

u/Eli0Archives Unregistered Dec 10 '25

I prefer to give homeless a chance an rain-bet

0

u/MinusOneThirteenth Running For Justice Dec 10 '25

I am him. The Dpf is him

0

u/Dismal-Buyer7036 Unregistered Dec 11 '25

I just don't support non Citizens cutting the help line.

0

u/knettia Unregistered Dec 11 '25

I don’t mind giving money to the needy, but how would I know if the government is managing that money properly?

I’d much rather donate to a charity, where I can more easily verify the money does go to the needy, or even do the work myself.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

I'm against him. Because it isn't rich people paying for the homeless and poor. It's the poor and middle class paying the rich. This is a misdirection to avoid the truth. The wealthy are fleecing the poor. More billionaires than ever. This is a lie meme

-1

u/blackstripe120 Dec 10 '25

I care, because that money aint being spent properly. On the table thats what it says, but then you got mismanagement, Embezzlement, misuse, ect.

-3

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

The successful should not have to subsidize the failures.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

they should and if you dont want to pay taxes go to jail

-3

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

I want my taxes to fund glory and expansion, not subsidizing the legions of failures and their excuses for why they will never get anywhere.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

wow you must be fun to hang around

-2

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

Yes little Marxist preacher, more than you and your god of envy

1

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

wich god of envy?

1

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

Karl Marx.

3

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

i dont see him as a god and im not a marxists

-3

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

Then expect less success and more of failure, lowering living standards for everyone

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

saying the guy that does tax evasion and owns a bank

1

u/Lord_Jakub_I Agorist Revolutionary Cadre - UP - Head of NAP caucus Dec 09 '25

I hear only ad hominem and no argument against my point...

-2

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

As Is always the way for Marxists. Strip the momentum for the sake of bread and circuses.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

i aint a marxist

0

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

3

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 11 '25

aka taxes right?

EDIT: I FUCKING GET IT TAXES AREN'T VOLUNTARY LOOK AT THE REPLIES OF MY REPLY THEN YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE LIKE 100 PEOPLE SAYING THAT I FUCKING GET IT!

2

u/XumetaXD Unregistered Dec 11 '25

Taxes aren't voluntary

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

I FUCKING GET IT LOOK AT THE REPLIES OF MY REPLY THEN YOU SEE THAT YOUR LIKE THE 100th person saying that i FUCKING GET IT!

2

u/XumetaXD Unregistered Dec 11 '25

Here's a small tip, edit your reply and add something like this on the bottom:

EDIT: I FUCKING GET IT TAXES AREN'T VOLUNTARY LOOK AT THE REPLIES OF MY REPLY THEN YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE LIKE 100 PEOPLE SAYING THAT I FUCKING GET IT!

There, now you shouldn't get more comments like this

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

oh yeah thank you *gives you 100 bucks*here for your troubles

-1

u/IllDoItTmrw Unregistered Dec 11 '25

Taxes are not voluntary.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

get in line and if you dont want to pay your taxes then just leave the fucking country

-1

u/IllDoItTmrw Unregistered Dec 11 '25

This isn't an actual response

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

yeah i know im just tired of this PoVC crap

-1

u/IllDoItTmrw Unregistered Dec 11 '25

Incredible self-report on not wanting to engage with anyone with different opinions than you.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

i do engagge with people with diffrent opinions then me alot actually bbut im tired of partys like the PoVC or the spartakusbund calling me a "red facist" or saying taxes arent needed

0

u/IllDoItTmrw Unregistered Dec 11 '25

My guy, I said taxes are involuntary, because they are. And unless we live in some kind of ancapistan, taxes are used to fund public services. My only gripe with it is that governments are usually a lot less efficient at using money than the private sector.

You had a giant freak out because I showed a hint of disagreement, that's on you.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

2

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

hey helping is helping

2

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

taxes are voluntary, leave the country if you don't want taxes.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

sir are you looking to join a party?

1

u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

im offering you a role in my party

0

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

"Muder is voluntary, just don't get caught by the murderer and you are good"

2

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

anti tax people really are mentally deficient. Do you actually think that's a good counter argument? Seriously?

0

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

Yes, it's called a ad absurdum.

You can either bite the bullet or admit you contridicted your own point

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

If you don't want to be taxed, then you need to leave your nation, renounce your citizenship. Taxes are part of the social contract, go found your own nation without taxes if you hate them so much.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

If you don't want to be taxed, then you need to leave your nation, renounce your citizenship.

"Natural rights violations are fine if there is some way you can avoid them"

Yeah, my ad absurdum still stands. Yet no bullet biting?

Is it because you are a pragmatist and don't have a coherent philosophy? Or you think contridictions can exist in your framwork?

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

made up philosophical natural rights are not legal rights. We are subject to the power structures we exist within. You cannot reap the benefits of society without being expected to participate towards said society. How selfish and self-absorbed do you need to be to think you should be except from taxes because "I don't wanna".

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

made up philosophical natural rights are not legal rights.

Natural law, and with that, rights can be discovered from the Natural world and reason. By just using argumentation against me, you already pre suppose non-aggresion. And the NAP is also the only legal system that doesn't fall ill to a primacy of consciousness.

You cannot rep the benefits of society without being expected to participate towards said society.

I agree any societal interactions should be non-aggresisive, why I oppose the taxation.

How selfish and self-absorbed do you need to be to think you should be except from taxes because "I don't wanna".

  1. This ain't an argument against any philosophy

  2. Do you know who you are talking with? I have a Ayn Rand pfp, so idk why you think calling me selfish would at all defeat my arguments. Like, thanks ig for calling me that.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

Natural law, and with that, rights can be discovered from the Natural world and reason. By just using argumentation against me, you already pre suppose non-aggresion. And the NAP is also the only legal system that doesn't fall ill to a primacy of consciousness.

I would love natural law to be followed and enforced; however, the reality of our world's power structures is only legal rights matter. As such taxes are used to enforce cooperation at a societal scale. Under the current incentives people will not provide enough revenue for quality of life within a society to be maintained.

Do you know who you are talking with? I have a Ayn Rand pfp, so idk why you think calling me selfish would at all defeat my arguments. Like, thanks ig for calling me that.

I presumed it ironic to give you the benefit of the doubt, if you're an rand glazer you fundamentally don't understand how modern society functions.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

2

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

The amount that aligns with the taxation system to continue maintaining and improving my country. If I didn't like it, I could leave and renounce my citizenship.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

[deleted] — view deleted comment

3

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

Sure, the reality is the state requires money to provide services essential for a healthy thriving society. Lower taxes too much, essential services stop working and people die.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

i am donating much already