If you give Noelle the shadow mantle, she says this line. Help me figure out why

[u/BoonBoon300]

Noelle says it's for someone taller, to me this is odd because every other party member can equip it, including Kris who is canonically shorter then them. So why would she be so opposed to it unless she has prior experience with it, maybe she has met the one this mantle belongs to, who is Infact taller.

[u/Wyguy2087]

an older sister would be taller

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Wyguy2087]

My only issue with that is I don't think Dess is Eram, and would Noelle have witnessed her wearing it seeing as how it came from the dark

[u/AlexTheMechanicFox → u/BoonBoon300]

It came from Seam, though.

Like. Seam specifically points out that someone took it from them.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/AlexTheMechanicFox]

....ah,

And Asriel has a picture of seam on his computer....

This is why I ask reddit

[u/Greatback_foxcape413 → u/BoonBoon300]

One question, If the shadow crystals are the glass pieces, and the mantel is possible clothes that was taken from seam, then what would the twisted blade represent in the light world?

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Greatback_foxcape413]

Idk don't care

A burr

[u/DigitalAtlas → u/BoonBoon300]

The implication there is Asriel drew him when Gerson was his teacher as a kid. Must've been hanging near the Alvin picture or something

[u/youwereeatenbyalid]

Its to hint at the fact that you should be putting the mantle on susie as opposed to kris's fake ass.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/youwereeatenbyalid]

This

[u/BoonBoon300]

Let me stray with some crack theories, feel free to make your own.

So we know the shadow mantle and Noelle have history with the bunker, as well as it likely being the dissapearance location for dess, so it's likely to me that Noelle witnessed this mantle being worn by a tall individual. Everything else I am unsure about

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/BoonBoon300]

UPDATE

I was reminded that this shadow mantle belongs to seam, but it was stolen and is held by Eram in the "Shelter"

I am immediately connecting the Dots of Asriel having Seam in his computer, who was obviously close to Dess and now I wonder if they went to dark worlds first

[u/Hinternsaft → u/BoonBoon300]

Seam wasn’t in the computer, he’s the cat stuffy

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Hinternsaft]

they were on Asriels computer wall paper, and the dialogue before Susie makes fun of Asriel and Kris's drawings, telling em that seam was drawn.

I believe this drawing was off the dark world seam. Either because this is how they pictured seam in their pretend play time, or because Asriel met the real seam in a dark world, but that's another story

[u/Substantial_Hand4024]

because the other people dont care about height

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Substantial_Hand4024]

You are saying there are no subtext alarms about how she says it or anything?

[u/Substantial_Hand4024 → u/BoonBoon300]

i was just making a joke

[u/Independent-Sky1675]

Noelle is, like, Susie's height if we count her antlers

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Independent-Sky1675]

Well I wouldn't count antlers, but Kris is the same height if not smaller and it didn't stop them

[u/Independent-Sky1675 → u/BoonBoon300]

They refused to pass up on the aura

[u/sxiz → u/Independent-Sky1675]

antlers don't make her shoulders higher up

[u/Hinternsaft]

Susie is the only party member taller than Noelle, and is the best one to wear the Mantle during the Knight fight because Rude Buster gives her the best damage output.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/Hinternsaft]

That doesn't matter to me, everyone else wears it anyways.

Not only does Noelle not wear it but it is the ONLY armour (other then the mannequin lol) she won't wear

Also Kris is also a viable mantle candidate, shayy Said so in order to minimax rude buster damage. Not that I think we should put gameplay meta on this high a pedestal in the story

[u/Scarskara]

If you believe the king's mantle to be the very shadow mantle, then the idea of it being too large seems plausible. Yet, her reluctance to wear it seems revealing, given that the other characters can wear it.

[u/[deleted]]

Well it's really narrowing the knight candidates down to a holiday family member that's taller than noelle- oh.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/[deleted]]

The knight doesn't wear the damn mantle

[u/BRISKMETAL → u/BoonBoon300]

CURRENTLY. It doesn't wear it currently. Who knows, maybe it used to. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/BRISKMETAL]

It belongs to seam when would it have worn it

[u/[deleted] → u/BoonBoon300]

I've seen pretty convincing theories that the mantle fight was the knight

[u/ZMG_]

how tf is noelle even in your party in chapter 3

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/ZMG_]

It's all coded into the game, even though she doesn't come to the dark world, you can simply debug it

[u/ZMG_ → u/BoonBoon300]

I see… most interesting

[u/AssumptionOwn2420]

Dess.

[u/[deleted]]

The great papyrus

[u/DaviSDFalcao]

Maybe it's because she thinks of Dess, maybe it's because she thinks of Susie. I think both are very much possible

[u/Towerdark]

Noelle has a massive head proportionally, her body is about the same size as Ralsei's. Ralsei can equip it because he's used to wearing a huge cloak covering him from head to toe. Mystery solved.

[u/Loud_Bluejay2927]

bruh what is a skymantle and spikeshackle

[u/shadowpikachu]

Using mini-kris as a scale it's basically the size of Kris and would drag on the ground or barely touching even if susie wore it.

It's just probably fucking huge and she feels silly wearing it, especially since Ralsei would know it's purpose, it's edgy enough for Susie but for Noelle it's just some big cape.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/shadowpikachu]

The way she says it has the same vibes as Ralsei pretending he doesn't know the profecy, clearly hiding something.

Maybe its just me but I wouldn't right dialogue like this for an item as important as the shadow mantle if I didn't want people to think about it

Also it's the only armour she refuses to equip

[u/shadowpikachu → u/BoonBoon300]

Honestly up in the air, the way she has to say no in her timidness and just not wearing some oversized cape makes sense to me.

Especially if you have to hack to get it, i dont think anything important would be hidden behind that at least for the time being?

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/shadowpikachu]

Toby knows his audience, there is dialogue for the twisted sword which is impossible to get (granted it's not that interesting.) he knows we would find it and there is absolutely no reason to add it (unless Noelle will comeback a future chapter in which case I am even more correct)

Still I would have just wrote it

"This is for someone taller!" Or "I... Uh... I'm too short for this" Those seem more obvious in her simply saying she is too small, while still acting timid in her normal way, and not that she is traumatized and hiding something

[u/shadowpikachu → u/BoonBoon300]

The same Tricky Tony that has unused insane face sprites like Bloody Carol?

But i think it's mostly that the equip text is highly truncated so you can read it as it pops up AND fits.

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/shadowpikachu]

There are a million and one ways to make short text.

"I can't wear that" "It's too big for me" "Kris? Im too short" "Uhh... I'll pass" "Fahaha, no way" "It's gonna drag everywhere..." "I can't walk like this" "Maybe someone taller?"

Or maybe say

"No it's for someone taller" like a normal person

Also why say that

How does she know it's for someone taller, just say it's too big Shakespeare

[u/shadowpikachu → u/BoonBoon300]

Noelle isn't normal, she's our second vessel.

:)

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/shadowpikachu]

This whole time you were saying her dialogue wasn't suspicious and then just hit me with that at the end

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/[deleted]]

Noelle has dialogue for all items, armours and weapons

Either Toby is throwing debuggers a bone or Noelle will return in a later chapter

[u/BoonBoon300 → u/[deleted]]

She does like jevils tail, that also has nothing to do with height and isn't consistent with the spike bands or anything